Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #128

[MistyWaters]

bbm

Can you post a link re: dark SUV with rear window stickers?

This is the link -

“Kelsi remembers seeing a dark SUV, its rear windshield covered in decals, parked near the entrance where she dropped off the girls. She didn’t pay attention to whether any people were around, something she regrets daily.

“The people who walk past me in the store, I can tell you exactly what they were wearing usually a day later,” she says. “Just because that’s the kind of stuff I have to know now.”..”
A new path

 

[somequestions]

I cant have hope for a case that I am completely convinced its committed by an an older adult while you are still considering a teen for it..
and that is where they messed up big time
we need a miracle .
so this is what I think might have happened...
the first sketch is BG ...and the witnesses did not see his full face which caused some conflict between witnesses and artist ...the second sketch came from an incident unrelated directly to the crime but looked suspicious to witness ...
LE think they identified a suspect related to sketch 1...so they decide to drop it and take a chance on sketch 2...which by all means can have zero connection to the case ...now the case is going with a wrong direction ( sketch ) and no clear profile of killer....its stuck
just my opinion n theory

Unfortunately I think many cases that remain unsolved over the years follow the same pattern. Cases that are not solved within the first few months seldom are. And those that you hear about today that have been solved after 20, 30, 40 years even, the vast majority were not solved because the police caught up to the suspect, but because technology caught up to the suspect.

Sometimes in a case you can have too much information that it is hard to know what information to follow. I submitted a description tip as I am sure probably thousands of other people have submitted description tips based on either Liberty German's video, sketch #1, or sketch #2. Who is correct? Are the police correct about their sketches or is there a tip that correctly identifies the man on the bridge in Liberty German's video? We simply do not know.

Yes, this case is probably going to need a lucky break if it gets solved soon without having to wait for years. If this case is ever solved, I think that person is probably going to look nothing like either sketch, but will probably be closer in age to the older one. And they will probably only have a loose connection to Delphi, IN whether they were traveling through the area or visiting.

 

[minazoe]

why do I feel like we are just waiting around for two more murdered girls and a bridge somewhere?

wonder how covid might affect availability of ideal victims for BG?

I think he has his methods, we don't know what they are, and LE doesn't know who he is at all. he's secretive and a no man. I think he is responsible for Evansdale ... I think he is practiced at luring and isolating girls and is using the internet too ...can we all agree this is terrifying ? mOO.

 

[mom2chloe]

why do I feel like we are just waiting around for two more murdered girls and a bridge somewhere?

wonder how covid might affect availability of ideal victims for BG?

I think he has his methods, we don't know what they are, and LE doesn't know who he is at all. he's secretive and a no man. I think he is responsible for Evansdale ... I think he is practiced at luring and isolating girls and is using the internet too ...can we all agree this is terrifying ? mOO.

I agree with you as I believe and hope that BG is responsible for both double murders. The virus concerns me too as I fear that the mask wearing and isolation is going to lead more into outdoor areas as weather permits. I pray that LE disclose more on the anniversary date because I don’t believe at this point that holding back information is helping their investigation. IMO
Wherever he is he is waiting and watching maybe while working too unless he is already incarcerated. IMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

I guess I just heard those press conferences a little different. I have never gotten the impression LE was close to arresting a particular person, only that they needed that “one last piece of the puzzle” they keep talking about, which, I took to mean they don’t know who did this and need someone to call with a tip that identifies the killer.

I took it as they had a good idea who it was but needed “that one last piece of the puzzle” to tie things up or put all their ducks in a row.

 

[Falling Down]

Going through early news reports, this one early on the 14th indicates people were searching at that hour, well before sunrise so I'd hazard a guess and say people were searching at 5AM or so. News crew would have been there well before 5. Reporter explains why an Amber Alert was not issued by Carroll County:

Search for 2 teens near Delphi (Tuesday Sunrise update) - YouTube

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I have been following this case from the beginning. Several times LE have implied an arrest was close. I don’t believe LE have anything significant to go on or move forward with. Someone knows something, and if they don’t come forward, this case will remain unsolved and eventually will be renamed as a cold case

Case followers push that theme more than law enforcement implies it. Words are inflated like when Leazenby says he has a few people in mind.

"...who may be in this room," was extended silly attention level, including where Carter's eyes were directed.

Pet suspects are responsible for the topic more than anything else. Somebody turns in a name then gets so excited at the prospect he solved the case he rationalizes every interview or lack of interview as extreme evidence that it's nailed, and only matter of time before unveil and heroism. Two weeks is the standard forecast. In fact, two is the prized number of any upbeat assessment. I have seen that in psychology books. People love to believe in not around the corner but not too far. It shows up all the time when sports fans insist their team is two years away from championship contention.

IMO, this is a DNA or nothing case. It would be great to have an aggressive journalist who developed trust and gained access to a useful bit of information, to reenergize the case. But overall I think the pace of debate continues to slow and we wait around for an out of the blue announcement.

 

[BNA]

This is the link -

“Kelsi remembers seeing a dark SUV, its rear windshield covered in decals, parked near the entrance where she dropped off the girls. She didn’t pay attention to whether any people were around, something she regrets daily.

“The people who walk past me in the store, I can tell you exactly what they were wearing usually a day later,” she says. “Just because that’s the kind of stuff I have to know now.”..”
A new path

Hmmmmmm.....

 

[Deleted member 102539]

But overall I think the pace of debate continues to slow and we wait around for an out of the blue announcement.

I want the out of the blue announcement on February 14th, 2021, if you would ask
me, namely with bluster.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Hmmmmmm.....

I think, you are saying "Hmmmmmm", because an association is offering itself.

 

[Diddian]

This is the link -

“Kelsi remembers seeing a dark SUV, its rear windshield covered in decals, parked near the entrance where she dropped off the girls. She didn’t pay attention to whether any people were around, something she regrets daily.

“The people who walk past me in the store, I can tell you exactly what they were wearing usually a day later,” she says. “Just because that’s the kind of stuff I have to know now.”..”
A new path

In that article (dated June 2020), KG referred to a dark SUV with decals on the back window that was there when she dropped the girls off, but that she had not paid much attention to.

I wonder when KG first publicly mentioned that (or when LE first did), because one would think that if that SUV were mentioned publicly early in the case, that info would spread far enough through the surrounding area that the owner of that SUV (if innocently there that day) would have come forward.

 

[somequestions]

One time I remember a detective telling a reporter the definition of a cold case. The definition according to the detective is the following: when every possible avenue of investigation has been exhausted. There is no more evidence left to look at, no more suspects or persons of interest to question, and no more tips left to investigate. By that definition alone, hardly any case would ever be considered a cold case.

There are at least 50,000 reasons why this case will never be a cold case no matter how many years pass by. But I am sure by then the discussion on here will have slowed down.

Look at any of the threads on here and if you start at the beginning you will see very similar statements about "not going to stop" or major persons of interest that come up in the course of an investigation. At the beginning people are behind the police, but as time passes people start to criticize the police investigation. The reason the killer did not get caught, they say, is because police screwed up the investigation. Then one day you look around and realize it has been ( ) years since the case began.

In my opinion, I think people want to believe that no matter how much time has passed police are progressing in the investigation. It is being looked at. It is not cold.

This case should teach everyone a lesson about police investigation. Even if you have DNA or fingerprints or any other sort of evidence, you still need to have someone to connect it to. The question is how long will it take to find that person?

 

[mom2chloe]

In that article (dated June 2020), KG referred to a dark SUV with decals on the back window that was there when she dropped the girls off, but that she had not paid much attention to.

I wonder when KG first publicly mentioned that (or when LE first did), because one would think that if that SUV were mentioned publicly early in the case, that info would spread far enough through the surrounding area that the owner of that SUV (if innocently there that day) would have come forward.

And even in a small rural area people are likely to remember such a vehicle despite a lack of internet availability. Seems like word of mouth might play in under these circumstances. IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I took it as they had a good idea who it was but needed “that one last piece of the puzzle” to tie things up or put all their ducks in a row.

This quote was from the 1st anniversary. As StarryStarryNight suggested, according to Carter the last piece of the puzzle is “who”.

"I believe we are one piece of the puzzle away from figuring out who the individual is," said Carter....”
Delphi Double Homicide: Update on Abby and Libby Investigation

 

[somequestions]

This quote was from the 1st anniversary. As StarryStarryNight suggested, according to Carter the last piece of the puzzle is “who”.

"I believe we are one piece of the puzzle away from figuring out who the individual is," said Carter....”
Delphi Double Homicide: Update on Abby and Libby Investigation

If you were chasing a "who" but you did not know what that person looked like, what would you do? How would you investigate the case? And if you had thousands of tips from people who think they have seen this man on the bridge, which would you choose to follow? Some might be based off Liberty German's phone video, others off sketch #1, or others off sketch #2. What description tip would you follow up on?

Because that could be the big problem in this case. It is a big country with lots of people. Except for some type of DNA match that might occur somehow, how else would you investigate the case? At least Liberty German got some video or I think this case would be even harder to solve.

Sometimes the simple answer is that police just do not have any idea who committed the crime.

 

[sunshineray]

A couple questions.
“...BH the horn blower mentioning himself working close by and reporting something he saw that LE should know.” I don’t know who BH is and I don’t know what a “horn blower” refers to. Did the second(young) sketch originate with him?

As far as others on the trails that day, at least what I have noticed, is there are a number of seemingly legitimate witness stories but few names. Understandable I think considering the killer is still out there. My guess is that LE knows their names though.

I don't know about the 2nd sketch but here's one article that mentions him. There are others and some pics of of him with the horn. I'm sure LE knows all who were out there that day. I'd venture to say the killer is also known. AJMO

As tips pour in, some in Delphi turn to faith | wthr.com

 

[sunshineray]

This is the link -

“Kelsi remembers seeing a dark SUV, its rear windshield covered in decals, parked near the entrance where she dropped off the girls. She didn’t pay attention to whether any people were around, something she regrets daily.

“The people who walk past me in the store, I can tell you exactly what they were wearing usually a day later,” she says. “Just because that’s the kind of stuff I have to know now.”..”
A new path

This still is shocking to me. KG never ever mentioned this in any interview, podcast or panel discussion prior to June 2020. I'm thinking that either LE thought it was of no consequence after identifying owners so KG dismissed it until randomly mentioning it 3 years later or LE specifically asked KG not to mention the SUV and she complied until June 2020. If the later I wonder why.

 

[MistyWaters]

This still is shocking to me. KG never ever mentioned this in any interview, podcast or panel discussion prior to June 2020. I'm thinking that either LE thought it was of no consequence after identifying owners so KG dismissed it until randomly mentioning it 3 years later or LE specifically asked KG not to mention the SUV and she complied until June 2020. If the later I wonder why.

If the van was believed to have been involved I’m certain LE would mention it. It’s possible the identity of whoever was connected to it has long been known by LE as they reported everyone had come forward who were on the trails except for the suspect. But I don’t think they’d give the family a rundown of POIs, cleared or otherwise.

Or as that particular parking area was private property, it’s also possible it was someone connected to the home that was being renovated. We really have no way of knowing if it’s an important clue as KG only remarked she remembered seeing it.

 

[Falling Down]

Case followers push that theme more than law enforcement implies it. Words are inflated like when Leazenby says he has a few people in mind.

"...who may be in this room," was extended silly attention level, including where Carter's eyes were directed.

Pet suspects are responsible for the topic more than anything else. Somebody turns in a name then gets so excited at the prospect he solved the case he rationalizes every interview or lack of interview as extreme evidence that it's nailed, and only matter of time before unveil and heroism. Two weeks is the standard forecast. In fact, two is the prized number of any upbeat assessment. I have seen that in psychology books. People love to believe in not around the corner but not too far. It shows up all the time when sports fans insist their team is two years away from championship contention.

IMO, this is a DNA or nothing case. It would be great to have an aggressive journalist who developed trust and gained access to a useful bit of information, to reenergize the case. But overall I think the pace of debate continues to slow and we wait around for an out of the blue announcement.

This still is shocking to me. KG never ever mentioned this in any interview, podcast or panel discussion prior to June 2020. I'm thinking that either LE thought it was of no consequence after identifying owners so KG dismissed it until randomly mentioning it 3 years later or LE specifically asked KG not to mention the SUV and she complied until June 2020. If the later I wonder why.

I thought she later recanted?

 

[Falling Down]

If you were chasing a "who" but you did not know what that person looked like, what would you do? How would you investigate the case? And if you had thousands of tips from people who think they have seen this man on the bridge, which would you choose to follow? Some might be based off Liberty German's phone video, others off sketch #1, or others off sketch #2. What description tip would you follow up on?

Because that could be the big problem in this case. It is a big country with lots of people. Except for some type of DNA match that might occur somehow, how else would you investigate the case? At least Liberty German got some video or I think this case would be even harder to solve.

Sometimes the simple answer is that police just do not have any idea who committed the crime.

I'm at the point where I think the video merely indicates the killer was on the bridge, at a given time.

There's virtually nothing to pull from it which would help identify the killer.

JMO