Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #129

[Charlot123]

He probably lost his sh$$...wouldn't you? he's not used to murder cases like this I can imagine him being very angry..and he's allowed...he was professional..but you could see he
was shaken..he is allowed this , it has nothing to do with his professionalism, its not like he started crying and saying he didn't know what to do..he was completely justified..especially if someone was taunting the PD. mOO

If - if, the perpetrator is from Delphi, and DC suddenly realized that they were following wrong lead for two years, then in his shoes I, too, would be angry and sad - with myself. I think it might become the case of an alibi/s to shake, and in two years, lots of leads could have disappeared.

 

[MistyWaters]

He probably lost his sh$$...wouldn't you? he's not used to murder cases like this I can imagine him being very angry..and he's allowed...he was professional..but you could see he
was shaken..he is allowed this , it has nothing to do with his professionalism, its not like he started crying and saying he didn't know what to do..he was completely justified..especially if someone was taunting the PD. mOO

My only point was I don’t think his presentation during the PC is proof anybody was taunting the PD.

If that occurred it’d actually be a good thing because it’d increase the likelihood he’d be traced and captured, as opposed to the perp staying silent and going unnoticed.

 

[Cantwaitfortheday]

"Once secured by law enforcement, no. I would surmise that the searchers did not immediately know what they had come upon."

I would like to discuss the above quote. What are some reasons searchers, who were at the time looking for two missing girls, saw something and "did not immediately know what they had come upon"?

Distance? Does he simply mean they were too far away, and upon getting closer were able to ID the girls?
Were the girls buried either fully or partially?
Gruesome, bloody and indistinguishable?
Other reasons?

I listened to the Down the Hill podcast this morning and they mentioned the girls were found in a culvert. What does this mean exactly?
noun

1. a tunnel carrying a stream or open drain under a road or railroad.

 

[Yemelyan]

I listened to the Down the Hill podcast this morning and they mentioned the girls were found in a culvert. What does this mean exactly?
noun

1. a tunnel carrying a stream or open drain under a road or railroad.

IMO for the Delphi situation it wasn't an actual tunnel it was kind of a bowl-like depression in the earth that was distinguished by the creek on one side and a higher ridge on the other.

Edited to add..whoever called it a culvert was probably thinking of the very high ridge above it as making the area somewhat like a huge ditch..

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Does anyone else think he wasn’t intentionally looking for child victims? And so the day off from school was coincidental? Per their FBI posters, both girls were 5’4”. Both had on pants and jackets. From a distance they could’ve been a huge age range. Maybe he saw them from a distance and once he decided they were going to be his victims, he was too mentally committed once he was close enough to realize they were younger than he first thought. Or he was too focused on what he was doing to even think about their ages.

I for my part don't know, what to think.

 

[MistyWaters]

IMO for the Delphi situation it wasn't an actual tunnel it was kind of a bowl-like depression in the earth that was distinguished by the creek on one side and a higher ridge on the other.

Edited to add..whoever called it a culvert was probably thinking of the very high ridge above it as making the area somewhat like a huge ditch..

That’s extremely interesting. I only know a culvert to be constructed out of some sort of material, usually metal and round.

Culvert - Wikipedia
A culvert is a structure that allows water to flow under a road, railroad, trail, or similar obstruction from one side to the other. Typically embedded so as to be surrounded by soil, a culvert may be made from a pipe, reinforced concrete or other material.

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I have wondered from time to time if the bodies were indeed found where that bit of crime scene tape was left up at the bottom of RLs property or was that an assumption, even an intentional misdirect by LE? It was the media which initially directed the public to that specific location iirc upon RLs initial interview, not LE.

Was there a culvert underneath the dirt road, the road that became a dead end driveway??? Or underneath the rail bed and/or bridge???

 

[Charlot123]

Didn’t Abby live about a mile away from it? Along that private driveway?

 

[minazoe]

He knew they were little girls! and what difference does it make?..if he had not wanted to murder children for sexual purposes , he could have kept walking. but no, he chose to kidnap, torture and kill them.

mOO

 

[Angels27]

I was thinking since the perp hasn’t struck again that we know of, at least in that area, and since it happened around Valentines Day, maybe this was a targeted attack. Maybe some guy who liked one of their mothers, either from a distance (with or without their knowledge) or directly, and the affection was reciprocated, and maybe he thought she loved her kids more, so he decided to eliminate one of them, and the other was just in the way. Or maybe someone had a beef with one of the parents or siblings or other relatives and decided to do the same.

It does seem weird that if this guy was a serial killer that he didn’t strike again. From everything we know, it sure seems like he’s done this before and felt no remorse about it. The lying in wait, hunting his prey, planning where to hide the “vehicle,” obviously carrying some weapon or weapons as well as something to subdue them with, and actually murdering them, in broad daylight on a trail with other people no less. So why hasn’t he struck again?

 

[MistyWaters]

Didn’t Abby live about a mile away from it? Along that private driveway?

I don’t know, do you have a link? I don’t recall the specific location of their residences ever being publicly disclosed.

If it was that close it would seem Libby’s dad would’ve driven over there when they weren’t at the pickup spot because a mile isn’t a long distance to walk. But no mention of that.

 

[minazoe]

it's not unusual for SK's to take a break from killing. he may have recorded his deeds and this is enough satisfaction for now. maybe he is in planning stages...maybe he has killed again and we don't know. any missing children out there? women, ?? who may be laying dead somewhere unfound?

added...maybe he only does stuff like this when he is drinking...maybe he is sober.

mOO

 

[catch_22]

Didn’t Abby live about a mile away from it? Along that private driveway?

I think that private driveway is just that. A private driveway for a single house. It's a crazy long (half mile+) driveway.

My memory sucks, but I also want to say that the crime scene is visible from that house. So did BG either know that no one was home, or was the crime scene just where he happened to catch up to the girls after they tried to run?

I guess I've never heard where abby's house was. I think I saw the german's house in re-enactment videos of the searches and possible routes taken if the girls happened to have decided to walk home that day.

 

[Jerrod]

I noticed Abbys mother said they still have not even told the parents what happened to the girls. That seems odd. LE must know what kind of torture those poor parents are going thru not knowing. So why not at least tell them. It’s almost like being the parent of a missing child. That would be enough to make anyone snap. What would be the harm in only telling them, unless they thought someone close to them was the perp and it might get back to him. I highly doubt the parents would ever tell anyone if cops swore them to secrecy and told they could be brought up on obstruction of justice charges if they did. So why the total silence for over 4 YEARS?

I don't know about Anna, but since Becky was acquainted with at least one of the searchers who found the girls, it would be a bit surprising if some sensitive details weren't shared with her. Whatever she knows, she's undoubtedly been told to keep it to herself.

 

[Charlot123]

I don’t know, do you have a link? I don’t recall the specific location of their residences ever being publicly disclosed.

If it was that close it would seem Libby’s dad would’ve driven over there when they weren’t at the pickup spot because a mile isn’t a long distance to walk. But no mention of that.

I don’t have any names, but I do remember them mentioning that Abby’s house was close, 1 to 1.5 miles from the bridge. Everyone was surprised, the girls could have taken a run for it, so why didn’t they?

 

[FrostedGlass]

That’s extremely interesting. I only know a culvert to be constructed out of some sort of material, usually metal and round.

Culvert - Wikipedia
A culvert is a structure that allows water to flow under a road, railroad, trail, or similar obstruction from one side to the other. Typically embedded so as to be surrounded by soil, a culvert may be made from a pipe, reinforced concrete or other material.

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I have wondered from time to time if the bodies were indeed found where that bit of crime scene tape was left up at the bottom of RLs property or was that an assumption, even an intentional misdirect by LE? It was the media which initially directed the public to that specific location iirc upon RLs initial interview, not LE.

Was there a culvert underneath the dirt road, the road that became a dead end driveway??? Or underneath the rail bed and/or bridge???

In one of the RL interviews, he shows the area that's taped off and says that the relatives of the German girl came out and put flowers in a particular spot. Then reporter VanWyk posted a short video of the flowers on his Twitter feed. I have a screen shot of it but not a link to the Tweet. There is a strange area not far from the flowers that could maybe be described as a culvert.

 

[ReadySet]

Maybe they did, but it was thwarted.

I don’t have any names, but I do remember them mentioning that Abby’s house was close, 1 to 1.5 miles from the bridge. Everyone was surprised, the girls could have taken a run for it, so why didn’t they?

 

[Angels27]

The “Vehicle”

They were careful not to mention anything about the vehicle parked at the abandoned building. The camera or witness probably didn’t get the license plate, if there was one. But notice how they did not say car. I wonder if it could tell us anything about the perp. Was it a delivery or work truck. Did it have any stickers or dents or chipped paint. Was it an odd color. Was it a tractor trailer, an RV, a beat up pick-up, a horse trailer? I wonder what else they know about it. They probably have model, make and color. And with modern database sharing that’s a lot especially in such a small town. They should check with MVA to get a list or all vehicles of that type that transferred titles in the months before or after killings. This whole thing makes me wonder if they already know who it is but just can’t prove it. Although in the case or the the fitness trainer killed in the church, they had a car with stickers on a security camera too and I don’t think they ever caught that perp.

 

[Angels27]

Here's something I wondered about and I don't know if it has been mentioned before. If it has then sorry for repeating old stuff again.

I have seen loads of people say this guy may have stalked their social media, but as far as I can see nobody has mentioned how he could have done so on SnapChat. Up until December 2017 (so after the girls died) there was a function on SnapChat where you could add people who were nearby. So for example I live in an apartment building and I remember seeing this function and it showed me who else in the building was on SnapChat.

I did NOT have to add them to see their SnapChat names, it just displayed them. Wasn't Libby's name on SnapChat just her full name? If it was then by checking 'Add Nearby' this guy would've been able to see her full name in advance. I don't know if Abby was on there but again if she was it would show her SnapChat name. This creep could've checked their FaceBook pages with their SnapChat names too. But if they were both on SnapChat with GPS location turned on, he would've known that there were two girls out there (potentially) alone.

Is Add nearby still on Snapchat?

What say the killer was waiting around, constantly checking 'Add Nearby' on his SnapChat for potential victims and for a few hours nobody came up. Then, up popped the two girls and he chose his victims.

Has nobody thought of this?? It was taken down by SnapChat in December 2017.

Good post. I’m sure LE has checked to see which phones were pinging off of nearby towers at that time. I wonder if he had his turned on. And I wonder what phones they registered as being near there then. They must know a lot. Maybe even who did it.

 

[Angels27]

there were other groups of teen out on the trails that day .. it would be impossible for him to know that these two girls in particular would be there when he arrives on the scene ..its just deadly timing is my opinion.

Unless he knew them or followed them on social media or his kid or grandchild, wife or other relative or friend. Or if someone the girls knew like a friend or relative mentioned it in passing to the creep. Like maybe the girls talked about it the night before online or to a friend or relative and that person mentioned it to someone else. Like the dad knew he had to go pick them up right. Maybe he mentioned it to a coworker. It’s very possible one or many people knew well before they arrived. The grandfather of Libby said it was a “friend” or his that found the girls bodies right. I found that interesting.

I hear what you’re saying, but we definitely cannot rule out this was targeted, esp around Valentines Day and esp in light of that fact that it looks like they haven’t struck again, it to mention that this was clearly planned in advance.

 

[mom2chloe]

I don’t have any names, but I do remember them mentioning that Abby’s house was close, 1 to 1.5 miles from the bridge. Everyone was surprised, the girls could have taken a run for it, so why didn’t they?

What if the girls indeed made a run for it knocking on doors but to no avail? We know RL wasn’t home and neither were his neighbors the snow birds. IMO