Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #131

[Ozoner]

This quote you posted makes me think they're pretty sure they know who is responsible, but they need something more to corroborate their theory on it in order to nail the guy. It sounds like they've talked to someone / persons close to the killer and they know they have done so, but the person(s) they've spoken with either aren't giving up information, or do not *have* information to give LE.

Perhaps the killer hasn't yet told anyone about his crimes. I wonder what the police hope that someone will tell them that would let them know for sure their suspect is the right one??

I'm not so sure. It may just mean that most killers get caught because they blab, which leads to a tip. Since they haven't gotten a tip stating that BG confessed to a tipster, they can conclude that he hasn't blabbed to anyone, which takes away their most common avenue for solving homicides.

 

[Spartygirl]

"just like his Uncle Stanley, just sayin' "
"not been the same since (insert military action) and then the Army was done with him and 'round here we all know the VA is no help"
"not the same since his Mama died in that car accident & he lived"
"too many hits on his noggin winning that State Championship for the high school"
"he was just fine before those lowlifes introduced him to dope"
"he's a fine fella when he's sober"
"since that beam fell on him in the plant and even the Union couldn't help him"

just a few that come to mind from small town living. I'm sure there are others!

jmho ymmv lrr

An enabling, controlling mother who bails him out and defends his every move since he was in grade school, imo ( along with a wife who is scared of him, has put up with his abuse and the excuses of a few friends)
"Well, you know how he is!!" "That's just the way he is "

JMO from small community neighbor who was the most rudest, loudest A-hole that most people could not stand, except his enabling mother and his abused wife and 2 other neighbors who for whatever reason tolerated him..probably because they lived right next door and felt it best just to be friends with him then against him, for their safety.

 

[Spartygirl]

Does anyone think LE has someone on their radar but they don’t have enough evidence to arrest as of yet ?

Well, LE said before they had a few dozen, then last September, TL said about 5, and then the last HLN show, TL said 3-4

So, Yes, I think they have a few on their radar.

 

[Spartygirl]

I don't know if he parked in that cemetery or not. If I was the one planning a murder in that location, that's exactly where I'd park. From there, I'm confident a person can walk to the entry side of the bridge, the northwest side, through the woods, without being seen, never having to cross the creek. I'm also confident a person could find a spot that would give a commanding view of the approach to the bridge. A person could watch who's coming down that trail, and crossing that bridge. In fact, that person could enter the trail, look right and see if there were any other people coming along, then cut left, and walk a brisk walk across that bridge and entrap those girls.

From there it's down the hill, cross the creek, commit the crime, head back up to the cemetery, and I'm outta there. Take a right leaving that cemetery and I'm in Indiana farm country.

That whole scenario is probably wrong, but it just makes sense to me. It makes more sense than parking in the wide open, passing others along the way, and then doing what? Hiding in the woods from there, awaiting a potential target? I guess that's possible too.

The thing is, parking at an easily visible spot could be, in my mind, evidence that he really didn't plan to murder two girls that day. I mean, why would you risk it? Why risk being seen?

From day one, I believe he entered or left or both thru the cemetery.
I parked at the very back corner, by RL property and could not be seen from the road and I could not even see the road from down there.
I could however look across the woods and see approximate crime scene.
JMO

 

[Beachlife926]

I don't believe that LE has ever said that. I think that you must be misinterpreting something.

Well, LE said before they had a few dozen, then last September, TL said about 5, and then the last HLN show, TL said 3-4

So, Yes, I think they have a few on their radar.

Thank you! I’ve been going crazy looking for the video since ozoner first asked.

 

[Ozoner]

Thank you! I’ve been going crazy looking for the video since ozoner first asked.

But I don't think they've ever expressed confidence that BG is on their list of suspects. There may be 3—4 suspects that they haven't been able to clear, but BG may not be any one of those. He may not be on their radar at all.

 

[Ozoner]

I don’t have the quote at hand but didn’t one of them say quite recently that they’ll know it’s the right tip when they receive it? Something about it’ll connect with information they already know? I don’t think I dreamt it but....? But when I initially read that comment I thought it was interestingly precise.

If anyone knows what I’m referring to kindly post it up because I’ve searched a couple times and can’t find it anywhere.

This is straight out of the first part of the Comet Q&A that you posted:
Q. The public has heard for four years, the investigation “is one puzzle piece from being solved.” What is that one piece specifically? Is it a name? Is it Jon Doe told me he killed the kids? Or, are you looking for confirmation of what you know- Jon Doe was not at work, he has a blue jacket, he cut his hair on Feb 14 or I saw a guy with a bloody jacket at 4 p.m. on Feb 13 at the gas station? You are not giving the public a lot to work with yet no arrests in four years. Aren’t you worried about more victims? Is the suspect dead or incarcerated so that is why no press conference or additional information is being released?

A. The person specifically responsible for Abby and Libby’s death. Our team of trained, experienced, and professional investigators will know that “one piece” when they see it.

 

[Charlot123]

I have to say this isn’t an optimistic response to the question, however we don’t know, he might intentionally be low keying it.

Sheriff Leazenby continues to answer double homicide questions | Carroll County Comet
Q. What elements of this case make it so difficult to solve?

A. Several, however the presiding factor seems to be that whomever is responsible has never discussed it with anyone.

Here is what perplexes me. Somehow, LE is viewing the case as local.

I think it is what is limiting the situation. Either LE sees something that for 99.9% only locals would know (in my mind, it could be related to crossing that creek), and then, of course, obtaining salivas from the men of Delphi makes sense, or... the perpetrator could be from faraway as well. And then the task changes.

 

[Lisa Dee]

I know we are not supposed to put Ytube vid links here (at least I think so) but can someone tell me the name of the Ytuber by name of Kirby with two last names? He did a very interesting series on Delphi murders but I cannot find him- lost him in history I reckon. Any help appreciated.

 

[Spartygirl]

The movie came out in 1986 if anyone is interested.

Thank you-- I saw your post and added it to my movie list

 

[MistyWaters]

This is straight out of the first part of the Comet Q&A that you posted:
Q. The public has heard for four years, the investigation “is one puzzle piece from being solved.” What is that one piece specifically? Is it a name? Is it Jon Doe told me he killed the kids? Or, are you looking for confirmation of what you know- Jon Doe was not at work, he has a blue jacket, he cut his hair on Feb 14 or I saw a guy with a bloody jacket at 4 p.m. on Feb 13 at the gas station? You are not giving the public a lot to work with yet no arrests in four years. Aren’t you worried about more victims? Is the suspect dead or incarcerated so that is why no press conference or additional information is being released?

A. The person specifically responsible for Abby and Libby’s death. Our team of trained, experienced, and professional investigators will know that “one piece” when they see it.

“The person specifically responsible for Abby and Libby’s death. Our team of trained, experienced, and professional investigators will know that “one piece” when they see it.”

That’s close enough, thank you (that’ll teach me for skim reading)!....although what I was remembering I thought expanded on that a bit more but I’m probably wrong.

Regardless that comment says to me LE is still hopeful of “one piece” even if the suspect didn’t tell anybody about his horrid actions on on Feb 13, 2017.

 

[Spartygirl]

If he had a deer blind or something set up at the south end of the bridge... he may have just been coming back from wherever he'd been, and he may have happened upon the girls as he crossed back over the bridge. I've wondered, if he reached into a deer blind that was at the end of the trail and simply grabbed whatever weapon he needed at that point. I don't know which way he left via, but IF (BIG IF) he had a deer blind along that south side somewhere, could he have parked along the private road on the south side?

This crime scene must have been a massive one for LE!!

If he did that, then he might have taken the time post mortem to take apart the blind, which might account for why GH had a caller who said that the killer stayed in the area longer than we think? How quickly could one take apart a deer blind anyhow?

No idea really. Just a thought.

But deer season ends in January.
Portable Tree stands on public land can only be overnight and have to be removed by Jan 10th.
Now, if tree stand on private property, then it can be left up, but then BG would either have to have known it was there, been on his own property, or poaching, which could be possible.
Deer | Indiana Hunting Seasons & Regulations – 2020 | eRegulations

 

[Spartygirl]

Here's a rewrite of a question I asked earlier. I'll be more to the point and concise: Has there ever been a serial killer who was also known to be very funny, perhaps known as having a great sense of humor, maybe even a comedian or someone who could have been a comedian or funny entertainer?

WEll, Vince Champ was a serial rapist and a comedian.
still digging on serial killers though

 

[Beachlife926]

But I don't think they've ever expressed confidence that BG is on their list of suspects. There may be 3—4 suspects that they haven't been able to clear, but BG may not be any one of those. He may not be on their radar at all.

Interesting
I don’t remember anything sticking out where they expressed lack of confidence in suspects. I understand they aren’t sure if the DNA or fingerprints belong to the suspect but don’t think it discounts their list of suspects. IMO LE missing a piece to the puzzle displays confidence in suspect list.

 

[Spartygirl]

Even if he has never before victimized a child, BG is now a pedophile, a kidnapper and a pedophilliac murderer.

The fact that he took control of the girls, removed them from the sight of others, removed or caused articles of clothing to be removed, and that he murdered 2 children, in what was 99.9 percent likely a sexually motivated crime.

He should know he is now a killer pedophile, one that kidnaps children .No matter his age, (unless he is a young teen).

he is a straight up baby killer now..

but I think he knows this because he kidnapped and murdered two other girls in Evansdale.

mOO

Interesting.
You think BG is same person who killed Lyric and Elizabeth ??

 

[Boxer]

But deer season ends in January.
Portable Tree stands on public land can only be overnight and have to be removed by Jan 10th.
Now, if tree stand on private property, then it can be left up, but then BG would either have to have known it was there, been on his own property, or poaching, which could be possible.
Deer | Indiana Hunting Seasons & Regulations – 2020 | eRegulations

MOO think the deer stand was on private property.
Either the train ROW, the cemetary or RLs land. The trail itself is some sort of "rails to trails" land trust which would be private.

 

[Spartygirl]

From the article: "Michigan State Police Specialist Lt. Liz Rich confirmed the death was being treated as suspicious as of Sunday night, but said there was no suspected threat to the public and an autopsy is needed before further information can be released."

Where have we heard that before?

When LE indicates there is no threat to the public after a suspicious death with a body left outdoors/on public land, I wish they would clarify why they think the public is safe. It must be terrifying to live in the area and hear such a dismissive-sounding phrase with no explanation, especially for people who match the demographic and possibly the habits of the victim, or for those who have family or loved ones in the area who align with those traits.

If I knew a teenage girl in that area (or maybe just a teenager! or anyone who likes to take walks on a trail!), I certainly would want to know why LE thinks she is safe pursuing ordinary outdoor activities when the victim clearly was not.

Exactly !!
I dont live to far away from there and my daughter, who hikes, runs on trails, lives even closer. I am keeping tabs on updates.

On a side note--someone mentioned it is about 5 hours away from Delphi, and I am about 4 hours away and have been to Delphi twice for funraisers and to the trail and bridge, both day trips, so it is doable.
But if BG doesnt have to be back in delphi area same day, he could easily be just traveling back the next day, then it's a non issue.

 

[Yemelyan]

Exactly !!
I dont live to far away from there and my daughter, who hikes, runs on trails, lives even closer. I am keeping tabs on updates.

On a side note--someone mentioned it is about 5 hours away from Delphi, and I am about 4 hours away and have been to Delphi twice for funraisers and to the trail and bridge, both day trips, so it is doable.
But if BG doesnt have to be back in delphi area same day, he could easily be just traveling back the next day, then it's a non issue.

Police have said she died as a result of self harm, though: MSP: Missing teen’s death result of self-harm

You may have missed it but there was extensive speculation on this thread that all got cleaned up/deleted this morning as LE have been clear it's not a murder or related to other murders. So we can rule this one out as related to Delphi.

 

[Spartygirl]

I read that the inmate who murdered Jeffrey Dahmer said he did so because he despised Dahmer's disturbing sense of humor.

Just watched a show on Dahmer and it did describe him as a funny, personable guy. UGH

 

[Yemelyan]

Also in Tobe's Q&A last month he was asked why more information hasn't been released. He didn't say a single thing about "false confessions" which everyone keeps speculating is the reason. He says

"...the integrity of the investigation must be preserved and to release additional information may damage that integrity which must, in my opinion, be maintained for the courtroom."

In fairness, everyone speculates about false confessions because that's been brought up by the lead investigator, Sgt. Holeman, as a reason that they keep details of the crime private: Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence | Fox 59

However, in a way it's a bit mis-leading because LE aren't really worried about, say, a crazy person walking in off the street and confessing to this crime. (Though this does occasionally happen...in the Evansdale murders there were supposedly at least two men who falsely confessed but were ruled out because their facts were inconsistent with the crime). IMO what LE are really trying to prevent is a POI who they are legitimately trying to interrogate eventually capitulating under pressure and "confessing" by repeating or agreeing to details of the crime that are publicly known. If they hold back information, when they hear those details in an interrogation, they know they are talking to someone with incriminating knowledge of the crime.