Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #133

[Deleted member 158085]

Of course, I didn't think it was DN either. I want the killer caught. But the truth is, he probably follows this thread, getting a kick out of our suspicions and learning exactly what not to do. I doubt that the real BG has a remotely suspicious FB account, if he even has one at all. His will be pretty quiet.

 

[Medstudies]

Or they did not have it tested. How many rape kits have gone untested?

Leaping off :

https://www.in.gov/isp/labs/files/CODIS_Stats_03-2021.pdf

ISP Labs: Biology & Combined DNA Index System (CODIS)

 

[Jealoushe]

I thought when LE is comparing DNA in the database they couldn’t compare it to everywhere at once... I thought it was more a state by state thing. Can anyone confirm?

 

[Alethea]

So are skeptics thinking this is JBC's first sex crime? He's never been caught for one before.

jmo

I thought some of his comments to/about his friend's kids were very creepy and rubbed me the wrong way. I suspect he has been grooming or molesting children in his life. I bet they find CSAM on his computers. But this does seem to me like a first violent attack, that he just couldn't help himself and just attacked her and then talked to the police 15 minutes later? Everything we know about Delphi suggests a very organized, careful killer and this guy does not seem like he has had his life together since 2001.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Time will tell if this guy is the Delphi killer. LE has a lot of information just from FB to process and a ton of people to talk to including JBC himself.
I always thought when the killer was caught it would be because he was arrested for some other crime and then connected with Delphi. No turning himself in or someone else turning him in. I also never thought the killer was particularly bright. Lucky yes. There is nothing I’ve read and nothing LE has said that indicated to me in the last four years that this was some heavily orchestrated plan pulled off by a criminal genius, so it’s just as easy to dismiss that scenario as speculation as it is to dismiss others’ thoughts of why they think JBC might be the guy. Plus there are plenty of very stupid criminals that go years without being caught.
I don’t know if he’s the guy but there are two things that make me think it might be.
...the boldness and speed of the attacks which I think is unique. Broad daylight with others around, very tight timeline. We’ve certainly talked about that enough.
...forget the sketches. LE has muddled that so badly it can’t possibly matter. I’ve said before they are irrelevant so I can’t very well suddenly claim they mean something now. But...the picture on the bridge that Libby took does matter. I’m not talking about the blurred face but looking at BG’s body type and mannerisms and the way he stands. The picture on FB with him standing on a mountain in an orange shirt with his hands in his pockets caused me to stop and pay attention.
This guy needs to be looked at. We’ll know soon enough if he’s the guy or not.

 

[Inthedetails]

I thought when LE is comparing DNA in the database they couldn’t compare it to everywhere at once... I thought it was more a state by state thing. Can anyone confirm?

I don't exactly how it works, but I get the strong impression that the system isn't perfect and things fall through the cracks either by mistake or just because it's a piecemeal and cumbersome system. Others put more faith in the matching process than I do.

But, they have him in person now, so either they have DNA to match with him....or not. He hasn't been ruled out yet, fwiw, which is currently sustaining my hope.

jmo

 

[data_nerd_2005]

How long until JC’s Facebook likely disappears? I can try to scrape all the posts but I’ll def need another day. What type of format would be useful for people? A Google spread sheet with posts by date, etc. (any names of people could be anonymized) ?

I've begun scraping his posts and it is crazy how often he posted on Facebook. I set my code to collect 1500+ posts and with 20 minutes of running it it has only made it back to 2019 lol. I do not think I will be able to download all the images he shared due to storage issues, but I can get the link for the images. It may become invalid when his account is deactivated, but it also may not (it is different than a link to a post).

If I can get all of his posts, I might try to make a visualization of the number of days he posted to see if him not posting right after Delphi is significant.

 

[Alethea]

I thought when LE is comparing DNA in the database they couldn’t compare it to everywhere at once... I thought it was more a state by state thing. Can anyone confirm?

There are state databases and there's the FBI's database. Both South Dakota and Indiana have collected DNA since 2003 and 2005 respectively and he's committed felonies in both states. To say no one has had his DNA before means all three LE systems messed up - South Dakota, Indiana, and the FBI.

I understand that people are skeptical of these DNA databases but there isn't a backlog like rape kits. LE comes in and swabs your client's cheek and sends it off. There's no sophisticated system to fall through the cracks. Just like fingerprinting and mug shots. It's a process and it has been happening since the early 2000s. Whether or not individual cases are tested against known offender DNA is a different story but do we really think Indiana LE didn't run the Delphi DNA (to the extent that it exists) through everything they can? Think of how many resources are put into this case. Do we really want to say LE dropped the ball on checking on known felons? I am skeptical. LE never misses an opportunity to make life hard for someone on probation IMO.

The big issues have been that most states only take DNA after conviction. So you can have someone arrested and released multiple times and their DNA is never collected. But when you are talking about multiple convictions, I just don't see it. If someone can find evidence of LE failing to collect legally required DNA from convicted felons then that's different.

 

[Jealoushe]

There are state databases and there's the FBI's database. Both South Dakota and Indiana have collected DNA since 2003 and 2005 respectively and he's committed felonies in both states. To say no one has had his DNA before means all three LE systems messed up - South Dakota, Indiana, and the FBI.

I understand that people are skeptical of these DNA databases but there isn't a backlog like rape kits. LE comes in and swabs your client's cheek and sends it off. There's no sophisticated system to fall through the cracks. Just like fingerprinting and mug shots. It's a process and it has been happening since the early 2000s. Whether or not individual cases are tested against known offender DNA is a different story but do we really think Indiana LE didn't run the Delphi DNA (to the extent that it exists) through everything they can? Think of how many resources are put into this case. Do we really want to say LE dropped the ball on checking on known felons? I am skeptical. LE never misses an opportunity to make life hard for someone on probation IMO.

The big issues have been that most states only take DNA after conviction. So you can have someone arrested and released multiple times and their DNA is never collected. But when you are talking about multiple convictions, I just don't see it. If someone can find evidence of LE failing to collect legally required DNA from convicted felons then that's different.

Thank you for the info!

 

[Mintyer]

Hey everyone Bringing something here that I would like to discuss. I apologize for posting it elsewhere. I have never forgotten this and I do feel it’s relevant. https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-new...i-search-into-southeastern-tennessee-counties
Tennessee sheriff corrects statement, says Delphi suspect not seen in the state
From article dated Jan. 15, 2018
BLEDSOE COUNTY, Tenn. -- A Facebook post from a Tennessee sheriff led to confusion Monday about the search for a suspect in the murders of two Delphi, Indiana teens.
MOO: There is a photo, within the article of the original Facebook post that was removed shortly after it was posted. LE came back quickly and rebuffed it, saying the search was nationwide. I had always found it curious that it was so quickly removed. I do believe there is a connection between BG and Tennessee.

Bringing this forward from sleuther...

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I don’t think that is necessarily true. The way LE has talked about DNA, it appears to be only touch DNA and some of it has not been identified. But it could just as easily been from somebody in the grocery store reaching past them for a can of soup as have been from Chadwell. With touch DNA I’d think if it is Chadwell’s, there’s a wild celebration! If it’s not Chadwell’s, it doesn’t really matter at all. I never thought DNA would the way the killer is caught and identified.

Great point, thank you.

 

[raja]

There is plenty of time for them to investigate JC for any connection to the Delphi murders as he is not going anywhere for sometime. If they do have DNA and by chance it matches depending on where the DNA was found they would still need to connect it directly to the murders. If it is a cigarette butt for instance it could be argued it is not connected to the murders. Also he is into motorcycles and that mode of transportation could have easily gotten BG out of the area quickly. Wasn't there discussion by LE that BG was able to get around Delphi easily or quickly. Does anyone remember this?

 

[Inthedetails]

If I can get all of his posts, I might try to make a visualization of the number of days he posted to see if him not posting right after Delphi is significant.

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Any data analysis would be awesome! Right up my alley. Please do post any interesting stats.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Hang on, I'm so confused about his ear gauges? Is the mugshot recent? Because how do you get rid of massive holes in your lobes? Would he have had that when Abby and Libby were killed?

 

[Kimpossible31]

I've begun scraping his posts and it is crazy how often he posted on Facebook. I set my code to collect 1500+ posts and with 20 minutes of running it it has only made it back to 2019 lol. I do not think I will be able to download all the images he shared due to storage issues, but I can get the link for the images. It may become invalid when his account is deactivated, but it also may not (it is different than a link to a post).

If I can get all of his posts, I might try to make a visualization of the number of days he posted to see if him not posting right after Delphi is significant.

This is amazing work! The nerd in me loves this! Thank you!

 

[Rosegold68]

how do we explain the initial description of BG having 'reddish brown hair'?

has he ever dyed it? any pics of him from back then?

 

[happyday]

*And just for the record, I don't believe BG is any kind of criminal mastermind, I just think he got VERY, VERY LUCKY.

ME TOO.

 

[Jealoushe]

There is plenty of time for them to investigate JC for any connection to the Delphi murders as he is not going anywhere for sometime. If they do have DNA and by chance it matches depending on where the DNA was found they would still need to connect it directly to the murders. If it is a cigarette butt for instance it could be argued it is not connected to the murders. Also he is into motorcycles and that mode of transportation could have easily gotten BG out of the area quickly. Wasn't there discussion by LE that BG was able to get around Delphi easily or quickly. Does anyone remember this?

Yes I remember that statement!

 

[Deerrun]

This is from Good Morning America today

Law enforcement investigating new lead into unsolved 2017 murder of Indiana teens

 

[Yemelyan]

There is plenty of time for them to investigate JC for any connection to the Delphi murders as he is not going anywhere for sometime. If they do have DNA and by chance it matches depending on where the DNA was found they would still need to connect it directly to the murders. If it is a cigarette butt for instance it could be argued it is not connected to the murders. Also he is into motorcycles and that mode of transportation could have easily gotten BG out of the area quickly. Wasn't there discussion by LE that BG was able to get around Delphi easily or quickly. Does anyone remember this?

Yes, the "getting around quickly" on that day was said by press officer KR. Here's the link to his comments:

ISP on Delphi killer: 'Somebody may have already interviewed him'