Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #136

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Are you suggesting a VW with your insertion of the word rabbit? If so, where can that reference be found? Thanks

It’s referenced in a GH video from 3 weeks ago by Gray himself.

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[raja]

Crimecon21 was held June 4-6th.
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Yes, possibly it’s just us -

Sister of Delphi murder victim does NOT believe pedophile cops have linked to killings is murderer | Daily Mail Online
“Kelsi said: 'Yes, I’ve seen his name all over. No new updates. No press release. There is no suspect in custody in this case. LE (law enforcement) is looking into a tip that was sent in that is now being made way bigger than it is. Until LE says he's a suspect, he is no more than another name they are looking at,' Kelsi German wrote on Twitter.”

Thank you for the information. I did not know it had already happened this year.

 

[JnRyan]

I have a really horrible sinking feeling that JBC has nothing to do with this anymore tbh (I hope I'm wrong).

After 2 weeks I was already getting that feeling. I believe the Delphi investigators have long since walked away from JBC. Why hasn't LE confirmed they have no interest in him? Maybe just a psychological ploy where they hope the real killer does something dumb.

 

[Tiff23fr]

It’s referenced in a GH video from 3 weeks ago by Gray himself.

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Thanks - I found it at the 50:32 mark. I took it as a sarcastic vehicle description example, but I guess only GH would know what he meant by it.

Paraphrase of GH: What stinks about that is all the people that you get on YT will look for every single person in the US with a VW Rabbit that’s cream colored and send them in as tips.

 

[UnderstandBlue]

I didn't mean performance as in "huge, overblown, insincere production." It was emotional but I understand the reason why, given the bond he forged with the families. I meant performance as in, he had a script to follow with certain notes to hit - "two little girls" "what will people say" "we know this is about power" - which is the same thing you also picked up on.

I would even go so far as to say this. Why do you think Carter was the one to deliver this press conference? There are press officers there. Certainly other people who have more technical speaking ability. I think this was an FBI-directed decision. What does a killer who craves power think when he sees Carter, head of the whole ISP, speaking in uniform? It gets under his skin, for sure. The speaker choice is a destabilization tactic used by LE, in my opinion.

So I've wondered this too. We had two very high profile cases near me - the Austin bomber and the HB / MF baby abduction/murder case, and all of the press updates for the bomber were by our police chief, and in the other case, also APD updates. I can't even remember with Kenneth McDuff or the yogurt shop murders any pressers by non local LE. The closest we have to the ISP is the DPS and I can't remember any DPS pressers on high profile cases - maybe someone else can.

It has interested me from the start. Might just be because of the FBI involvement and it being such a tiny town. But in the two cases I listed, both had FBI involvement, and homeland, as did Delphi > Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens speaks out | Daily Mail Online.

I'm just assuming ISP is the lead, and not the local sheriff. Is that because there's state jurisdiction because of the park? I'd love to know.

 

[Barbieshell]

So I've wondered this too. We had two very high profile cases near me - the Austin bomber and the HB / MF baby abduction/murder case, and all of the press updates for the bomber were by our police chief, and in the other case, also APD updates. I can't even remember with Kenneth McDuff or the yogurt shop murders any pressers by non local LE. The closest we have to the ISP is the DPS and I can't remember any DPS pressers on high profile cases - maybe someone else can.

It has interested me from the start. Might just be because of the FBI involvement and it being such a tiny town. But in the two cases I listed, both had FBI involvement, and homeland, as did Delphi > Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens speaks out | Daily Mail Online.

I'm just assuming ISP is the lead, and not the local sheriff. Is that because there's state jurisdiction because of the park? I'd love to know.

I'd imagine it has something to do with it being a double child killing tbh, I could be wrong.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Thanks - I found it at the 50:32 mark. I took it as a sarcastic vehicle description example, but I guess only GH would know what he meant by it.

Paraphrase of GH: What stinks about that is all the people that you get on YT will look for every single person in the US with a VW Rabbit that’s cream colored and send them in as tips.

Interestingly enough, I had already emailed the tip line with all of this info before GH made this podcast.

 

[Yemelyan]

So I've wondered this too. We had two very high profile cases near me - the Austin bomber and the HB / MF baby abduction/murder case, and all of the press updates for the bomber were by our police chief, and in the other case, also APD updates. I can't even remember with Kenneth McDuff or the yogurt shop murders any pressers by non local LE. The closest we have to the ISP is the DPS and I can't remember any DPS pressers on high profile cases - maybe someone else can.

It has interested me from the start. Might just be because of the FBI involvement and it being such a tiny town. But in the two cases I listed, both had FBI involvement, and homeland, as did Delphi > Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens speaks out | Daily Mail Online.

I'm just assuming ISP is the lead, and not the local sheriff. Is that because there's state jurisdiction because of the park? I'd love to know.

I think that while the jurisdiction is Carroll County (there is no known aspect of the crime that would enable the FBI to take the lead - "no progress" is not a reason, as far as I know), there is a "unified command" which contains personnel from both ISP and the FBI. This information comes from what Leazenby had to say in the Carroll County Comet Q&A from February of this year. The lead investigator within the unified command was named as Sgt. Jerry Holeman of the ISP in the beginning of the case and as of 2020 Carter was still calling him the lead in interviews on the Delphi murders.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think that while the jurisdiction is Carroll County (there is no known aspect of the crime that would enable the FBI to take the lead - "no progress" is not a reason, as far as I know), there is a "unified command" which contains personnel from both ISP and the FBI. This information comes from what Leazenby had to say in the Carroll County Comet Q&A from February of this year. The lead investigator within the unified command was named as Sgt. Jerry Holeman of the ISP in the beginning of the case and as of 2020 Carter was still calling him the lead in interviews on the Delphi murders.

I agree, considering the investigation is conducted by a Multi-Agency Task force involving various partners, who’s the lead appears to be mostly a matter of semantics.

BBM

https://www.carrollcountycomet.com/...swers-double-homicide-questions-from-readers/
Q. Why did you and the prosecutor choose to do an interview with Headline News (HLN) yet ISP said there would not be a press conference this year? Again, who is leading the case? ISP, county sheriff, FBI or county prosecutor? You can see the confusion for the public and the mixed signals, so to speak. Expand on who runs what parts of the investigation. Who determines when there is a press conference?

A. In a general sense, the leading agency, is the agency who routinely patrols and responds to calls for police services in a given jurisdiction. In this case, my professional opinion is that this crime occurred “in the county” and we are considered the “lead” agency. ISP, FBI, Prosecutor’s Office, Investigator, and all other agencies are considered “assist” agencies, coming on board to “assist” us. Being a small agency, we frequently rely on larger agencies who have many more resources (lab, manpower, technical assistance, etc.) to help with investigations. This is commonplace throughout the United States. Smaller agencies will sometimes “relinquish” an investigation to a larger, “assisting” agency, such as ISP, but I feel strongly that since this crime occurred in the county, I feel we are the lead but with many partners. Additionally, when decisions, which we feel are major to the case, are being looked at, our investigative partners are consulted, like a huge “think tank”, and we all reach a decision which all agree upon.

 

[cujenn81]

I sort of misread that Daily Mail headline for a minute...

Easy mistake. To say it was poorly worded would be a massive understatement.

 

[Yemelyan]

Thanks - I found it at the 50:32 mark. I took it as a sarcastic vehicle description example, but I guess only GH would know what he meant by it.

Paraphrase of GH: What stinks about that is all the people that you get on YT will look for every single person in the US with a VW Rabbit that’s cream colored and send them in as tips.

He's sarcastically riffing off the recent highway shooting in CA where a 6 year old was killed, IMO. That's the basic/similar description of the car that police were looking for in that case.

LE has never elaborated on what kind or color of vehicle they were talking about in the April Delphi press conference.

 

[sandy_80]

do you think there is a link between the 2019 pc and the new direction and the murder of Nicole Bowen ?
she was found in a shack ..
there was a lot of speculation about that suspect link to delphi
did they think they had their suspect here...

 

[SMK777]

do you think there is a link between the 2019 pc and the new direction and the murder of Nicole Bowen ?
she was found in a shack ..
there was a lot of speculation about that suspect link to delphi
did they think they had their suspect here...

It’s quite possible.

 

[CNYDarkStar]

He does look like bridge guy... doesn't seem like the "MO" though. It appears he had a specific reason for killing Nicole.

 

[carbuff]

Thanks - I found it at the 50:32 mark. I took it as a sarcastic vehicle description example, but I guess only GH would know what he meant by it.

Paraphrase of GH: What stinks about that is all the people that you get on YT will look for every single person in the US with a VW Rabbit that’s cream colored and send them in as tips.

I've had law enforcement professionals tell me the same thing--they have to be careful about what they release because (besides the volume of junk tips) the information will influence what people remember. If you're lucky, it jogs their memory and you get a valuable lead. More likely you get a flood of people who saw a green car but now remember it as cream because that's what you asked for.

 

[sandy_80]

He does look like bridge guy... doesn't seem like the "MO" though. It appears he had a specific reason for killing Nicole.

I am not saying he might be BG.. i am saying at the time he looked like a perfect fit for le.. because of the two events happening together..it gives easy explanation for the new direction
it might also explain.. that they were talking to the killer in person..hoping he might slip

idk..speculations

 

[Tiff23fr]

At apx the 14 min mark BPatty joins GH via phone.
Discusses CrimeCon in general:
-passed out flyers, etc.
-met several people that still had not heard about the girls
-18 min mark: “One of my main focuses this time was to address the Chadwell thing. I told them that he’s not important, he’s not relevant right now. Yeah, he’s a monster, he’s probably not our monster. So many took that and ran with it........”

 

[JnRyan]

At apx the 14 min mark BPatty joins GH via phone.
Discusses CromeCon in general:
-met several people that still had not heard about the girls

Having been here since the week after it happened (I was out of town and away from WS most of that week in 2017) I find it difficult to believe there are those that don't know. But I know that is reality. One of reasons why we need PC's, statements from LE and the family spreading the word. Who knows there might someone out there that knows there is something peculiar or off by a specific individual but because they have no awareness of this set of murders they aren't making the connection. The longer this stretches out the more difficult it becomes for that one person to make a connection though.

 

[Falling Down]

Having been here since the week after it happened (I was out of town and away from WS most of that week in 2017) I find it difficult to believe there are those that don't know. But I know that is reality. One of reasons why we need PC's, statements from LE and the family spreading the word. Who knows there might someone out there that knows there is something peculiar or off by a specific individual but because they have no awareness of this set of murders they aren't making the connection. The longer this stretches out the more difficult it becomes for that one person to make a connection though.

That's one thing that has really bothered me, why not have periodic 'reminder'-type broadcasts, in conjunction with LE? People I've talked with in recent times have assumed the killer had been caught.

JMO

 

[CNYDarkStar]

While I understand the mindset behind keeping mum etc., if you will, at some point there has to be a change in strategy and actually singling someone out,, within whichever legal parameters allow them to do so. It's been done before, it can be done again.
I fully believe that LE has a specific POI but are still waiting on action to take for whatever reason.