Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #136

[Yemelyan]

This is the kind of thing I keep talking about. There should be updates or more info on these types of evidence/ stories. Maybe I've missed it but it should be told what the outcome is.

I think it's shortsighted to say that LE should tell the outcome of the inquiry into the car. Perhaps if they thoroughly looked into it and found that there was absolutely no chance of a connection, then I could maybe see the point in updating that they closed that avenue. (Though I can also see points against it, such as to protect against finding out later that the investigation was faulty or to guard against harmful rumors in the community.)

But what if they investigated and found that the vehicle is still germane to their evidence? If that's the case, then, as someone interested in seeing this case solved no matter how long it may take, I don't need or want an update.

 

[CNYDarkStar]

Valid points indeed. It's surely a catch 22 trying to navigate what should be out there or not and whether to confirm information.

 

[Justice101]

Following.

 

[Falling Down]

we discussed this not too long ago, hope I’m not boring y’all w repetition …. MOO I figure whatever the lead was on the car, they ran it down & are done.

Why do I think that, other than we haven’t heard about it again, is cuz JMO I’m pretty convinced BG left on foot. That seemed to be what LE thought contemporaneous - recall Qs did anyone see a hitchhiker or a bag by the side of the road.

MOO BG had no car & was way too much of a shunned & despicable loser to have had a friend who’d give him a ride or anything


ETA: to -> too
Way to early for this haha

I was on board with this being a possibility, until I drove IN 25 in '17, and I drove it again last year. It's just not a hitchhiking road. I could see someone walking back to town, but gosh they would have been seen. They could have followed the RR line to Logansport, even using the old interurban path for most of the walk, but at the end of the day I think he had to have driven that day.

JMO

 

[JnRyan]

I wonder what happened with the car parked at the old cps building

There is much talk about releasing more information, but a simple update here would help. The public needs to know if this is still relevant information. Of course, I've always wondered why LE waited over 2 years to put this out there as part of the 'New Direction'. I have a difficult time remembering who parked next to me at a local bike trail the other day and we're asking folks to remember what they saw over 2 years ago on a lightly traveled road?

 

[kathryann]

Did they ever say in the beginning that the public was in danger?

 

[MistyWaters]

Did they ever say in the beginning that the public was in danger?

No but they advised caution, to be aware of your surroundings. My definition of danger would be a rash of attacks and people being asked to stay inside and lock their doors while LE patrolled up and down the streets seeking the suspect.

 

[MistyWaters]

There is much talk about releasing more information, but a simple update here would help. The public needs to know if this is still relevant information. Of course, I've always wondered why LE waited over 2 years to put this out there as part of the 'New Direction'. I have a difficult time remembering who parked next to me at a local bike trail the other day and we're asking folks to remember what they saw over 2 years ago on a lightly traveled road?

I’m curious why you think the public needs to know or how giving the public an update would help LE, makes no difference especially when one has no valuable information to offer. I can’t think of any other unsolved case where LE offers the public progress reports throughout their investigation. In fact from thread to thread here the #1 common complaint seems to be always much the same - why doesn’t LE release more information is how it goes, then one day, wham, suddenly an announcement of an arrest.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

**Following**

 

[JnRyan]

I’m curious why you think the public needs to know or how giving the public an update would help LE, makes no difference especially when one has no valuable information to offer. I can’t think of any other unsolved case where LE offers the public progress reports throughout their investigation. In fact from thread to thread here the #1 common complaint seems to be always much the same - why doesn’t LE release more information is how it goes, then one day, wham, suddenly an announcement of an arrest.

It would be like anything else with releasing information. Is the information relevant still? Should someone call in a tip? Why go into the 'fire and forget' mode with the public? Either LE needs to know or they don't. Of course, it was pointed out that one reason for the April 2019 PC was to unnerve the killer and in that vein it may have very little, if any, relevance to the investigation other than to make the killer think there was a witness there that day at that time. If that was the purpose, the question in the minds of some could be, was there ever a vehicle parked there at all. After all, LE still points to the video, the audio and the 2nd sketch, but says nothing about the vehicle. Why? Because it doesn't matter or maybe never mattered? Silence can sometimes be as telling as what is said.

 

[Trebor5591]

I fully believe that LE has a specific POI but are still waiting on action to take for whatever reason.

I completely disagree. I don't think LE has a suspect.

 

[max99]

I completely disagree. I don't think LE has a suspect.

it's incredibly frustrating for us outside of the loop but I think LE does have a perp (I have to believe LE has a perp) and that's the reason for the silence...need one more clue...or a prosecutor with more confidence.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

There is much talk about releasing more information, but a simple update here would help. The public needs to know if this is still relevant information. Of course, I've always wondered why LE waited over 2 years to put this out there as part of the 'New Direction'. I have a difficult time remembering who parked next to me at a local bike trail the other day and we're asking folks to remember what they saw over 2 years ago on a lightly traveled road?

I think the “new direction” that LE spoke of in 2019 meant a few things:


LE (finally) caught on to the fact that BG had led them in the wrong direction with his staging & whatnot. Whether figuring this out came via a lead, or otherwise, they now have quite literally taking things in a new direction. (e.g. southwest/east of Delphi, or northeast/west of Delphi, etc.). And since many of us believe that that 2019 presser was directed to/at solely BG, I strongly feel & think that LE quite literally changed their cardinal direction to another place in IN, other than Delphi.

And I don’t think that LE is really, truly asking for the public’s help. I think that LE already knows who BG is, or rather even has a very strong sense/idea of who he is. And because of this, they know that this vehicle is tied to him. And he knows that they know. And really they are in some way, shape, form or fashion trying to put a lot pressure on a possible accessory, whose vehicle at the CPS building really belongs to, hoping that he/she will crack.

Obviously I could be waaayyy off, and this is just my .02 cents.


All just MOO.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

It would be like anything else with releasing information. Is the information relevant still? Should someone call in a tip? Why go into the 'fire and forget' mode with the public? Either LE needs to know or they don't. Of course, it was pointed out that one reason for the April 2019 PC was to unnerve the killer and in that vein it may have very little, if any, relevance to the investigation other than to make the killer think there was a witness there that day at that time. If that was the purpose, the question in the minds of some could be, was there ever a vehicle parked there at all. After all, LE still points to the video, the audio and the 2nd sketch, but says nothing about the vehicle. Why? Because it doesn't matter or maybe never mattered? Silence can sometimes be as telling as what is said.

Or because the car really does matter, and they don’t want to put Tom, Dick and Harry into harms way.
Moo

 

[Finlay]

I think the “new direction” that LE spoke of in 2019 meant a few things:


LE (finally) caught on to the fact that BG had led them in the wrong direction with his staging & whatnot. Whether figuring this out came via a lead, or otherwise, they now have quite literally taking things in a new direction. (e.g. southwest/east of Delphi, or northeast/west of Delphi, etc.). And since many of us believe that that 2019 presser was directed to/at solely BG, I strongly feel & think that LE quite literally changed their cardinal direction to another place in IN, other than Delphi.

And I don’t think that LE is really, truly asking for the public’s help. I think that LE already knows who BG is, or rather even has a very strong sense/idea of who he is. And because of this, they know that this vehicle is tied to him. And he knows that they know. And really they are in some way, shape, form or fashion trying to put a lot pressure on a possible accessory, whose vehicle at the CPS building really belongs to, hoping that he/she will crack.

Obviously I could be waaayyy off, and this is just my .02 cents.


All just MOO.

I can't say I disagree with any of this. But I've had another thought as to what the "go another direction" statement might mean. And I don't like it and hate to even "voice" it. However, we are here & this is what we do...so, what if LE got caught up in this investigation right after they found the bodies and; they soon realized they had video/audio evidence on the phone, they realized that most people would likely not even be aware of this location - and especially maybnotneven be brave enough to walk across thatbhigh bridge. And they realized that they had been able to obtain some sort of DNA (which they naturally initially *assumed* to belong to the killer. What's more, as they talked to people in the area that day, maybe they also got some limited info from a couple of potential "witnesses" that may have seemed to have credible info. And from that, LE got a little overconfident and thought they could flat out intimidate the killer and basically make a statement that told him, "hey, turn yourself in. We've got darned near everything we need already. Once we get one more minor detail, we're going to come down on you like you won't believe."

And then at some point after that, LE realized the DNA they had may well not have actually come from the killer, the "eyewitness" testimony was unreliable at best. And perhaps most devastatingly, the audio/video they had from the phone didn't provide nearly as much detail as they'd hoped they could pull from it. And what's more, their initial statement intended to intimidate the killer, did just that. It scared him so much that he withdrew into a his own little shell and he made sure never to break another law or ever present himself in public in a manner that might make anyone recognize him as the killer in this case.

So at that point, LE decides to "pivot" & take "a new approach" where they present a new sketch that looks completely different from the initial one, and continue to offer up absolutely no new info and repeatedly remind the public that they have no real suspects in the case. And perhaps the reason they did this was to draw the killer out of his shell. ...let him start to feel comfortable knowing that LE had no real evidence against him from this case, so maybe he'd think it was safe to kill again.

So maybe LE's "new direction" was to allow the killer to relax & get caught for something new, rather that for him to be so scared from LE's initial statement that he would turn himself in.

As always, MOO. Very very very much my opinion only - and what I will be the first to admit is likely a big stretch.

 

[CNYDarkStar]

I think the “new direction” that LE spoke of in 2019 meant a few things:


LE (finally) caught on to the fact that BG had led them in the wrong direction with his staging & whatnot. Whether figuring this out came via a lead, or otherwise, they now have quite literally taking things in a new direction. (e.g. southwest/east of Delphi, or northeast/west of Delphi, etc.). And since many of us believe that that 2019 presser was directed to/at solely BG, I strongly feel & think that LE quite literally changed their cardinal direction to another place in IN, other than Delphi.

And I don’t think that LE is really, truly asking for the public’s help. I think that LE already knows who BG is, or rather even has a very strong sense/idea of who he is. And because of this, they know that this vehicle is tied to him. And he knows that they know. And really they are in some way, shape, form or fashion trying to put a lot pressure on a possible accessory, whose vehicle at the CPS building really belongs to, hoping that he/she will crack.

Obviously I could be waaayyy off, and this is just my .02 cents.

This is my sentiment exactly.

 

[jg580]

MOO- I just have a hard time believing that LE has a suspect and is just sitting on this info. What if the guy commits more crimes and hurts someone else while LE waits? Has this happened in other cases that any of you know about? Admittedly, I have limited knowledge of how this stuff all works but I just cant wrap my head around knowing who killed 2 kids and not being able to do anything about it. If they know for sure, wouldnt that be enough to arrest the person?

 

[SMK777]

MOO- I just have a hard time believing that LE has a suspect and is just sitting on this info. What if the guy commits more crimes and hurts someone else while LE waits? Has this happened in other cases that any of you know about? Admittedly, I have limited knowledge of how this stuff all works but I just cant wrap my head around knowing who killed 2 kids and not being able to do anything about it. If they know for sure, wouldnt that be enough to arrest the person?

That question has been asked, and it’s an important one:

How can they have a suspect/strong POI without evidence? And if there is evidence, why not make an arrest?

The only thing I can think of, IF they do have such a person in their sights:

They have enough circumstantial evidence to believe he’s the killer, but not enough to get a conviction in a trial, so they’re waiting for that one last piece of the puzzle, as LE has said.

 

[CNYDarkStar]

And of course, no, they can't just arrest him because they "know for sure". There needs to be proof and evidence. And that proof/evidence needs to be enough for a prosecutor to be willing to take it to trial.

That's the great thing and often very frustrating thing about America.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

If LE knows beyond a doubt who the killer is, but needs a little more to arrest him, then why not release more information. People who know the guy should recognize he’s the POI if the evidence is that clear it’s him. Then maybe someone will have a lightbulb moment and connect some dots for an arrest.
No information from LE is leading us no where.