Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

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  • #581
bbm

Exactly.

@TTF14 just popping to say you’ve been dedicated to this case since thread 1, day 1, over 4.5 years ago. I hope to be here together with you one day when we can collectively celebrate this case being solved.
 
  • #582
@TTF14 just popping to say you’ve been dedicated to this case since thread 1, day 1, over 4.5 years ago. I hope to be here together with you one day when we can collectively celebrate this case being solved.

Ditto! Amen!!
 
  • #583
Local can mean a lot of things..for me JBC is a local...known to the area...and has lived all around in places just 15-20 minutes away..so for me JBC is a local and does hide in plain sight. look how he got a job, moved into a house and got his hands on a child...

He was unknown as a potential killer of children, until now..so even though as an ex con they may have been aware of him in the area..he had no SA's..so even if they talked to him at the park ..even if he was right there, they may have set him aside because they were looking for something different in that moment.

they did know of him though...and they maybe even knew that voice. so this makes me think he somehow was around in the few days when all of this started before they had the footage analyzed etc.

After the murders of L&A literally that day I think ( don't quote me)... JBC went private on his FB for a year...also the fact that he did welding jobs high up on bridges because he has no fear of heights, satisfies my need to understand how this man nonchalantly walks this bridge as though he is on a sidewalk. Also he is a lone wolf in lifestyle, is periodically homeless, camps under and around bridges. Also the hat definitely can be a welders hat.

ding ding! feels like a winner for me.


mOO
 
  • #584
Local can mean a lot of things..for me JBC is a local...known to the area...and has lived all around in places just 15-20 minutes away..so for me JBC is a local and does hide in plain sight. look how he got a job, moved into a house and got his hands on a child...

He was unknown as a potential killer of children, until now..so even though as an ex con they may have been aware of him in the area..he had no SA's..so even if they talked to him at the park ..even if he was right there, they may have set him aside because they were looking for something different in that moment.

they did know of him though...and they maybe even knew that voice. so this makes me think he somehow was around in the few days when all of this started before they had the footage analyzed etc.

After the murders of L&A literally that day I think ( don't quote me)... JBC went private on his FB for a year...also the fact that he did welding jobs high up on bridges because he has no fear of heights, satisfies my need to understand how this man nonchalantly walks this bridge as though he is on a sidewalk. Also he is a lone wolf in lifestyle, is periodically homeless, camps under and around bridges. Also the hat definitely can be a welders hat.

ding ding! feels like a winner for me.


mOO
Sometimes I feel like you read my thoughts lol. Yes, JBC last posted Feb 14, 2017, but from what I can tell was private until March 9, 2017. He posted on Feb 13, but not until after 7pm. And I agree on the definition of "local". I have never thought it had to be Delphi specifically, just somewhere from the area. While the lying witness is interesting, I just struggle with certain aspects of it in this case. I believe JBC to be a strong possibility in this case and possibly at least 2 others. JMO, but that's what I think at the moment.
 
  • #585
Not to doubt your post. Just paid attention to the covered lower part of the face.

Here is what has been bothering me all along.

One witness remembered him because of the look he gave her, if I am not mistaken.

I don't know what exactly it means, but - not peaceful eyes.

Something like sanpaku eyes? The guy being psychotic and angry? If his lower face was covered, this must have been quite a gaze.

And yet both sketches have normal, calm eyes.

I imagine that there are computer-generated versions of eyes, brows, noses. I can't imagine that a witness meeting a man with angry eyes wouldn't have later picked out an intense, angry gaze, out of the multitude available.

Yet both sketches have normal eyes. If the perp, indeed, was angry and psychotic (or even confused and not quite understanding what was happening - could be, too), his eyes should have looked accordingly.

Why don't we see it?
I think it was meant to be a creepy look .. like I am going to harm you if i can look ..sketches dont usually use expressions tho
 
  • #586
What are some factors that would rule out JBC? Are there any? New-ish to this case, sorry if this has been discussed
 
  • #587
What are some factors that would rule out JBC? Are there any? New-ish to this case, sorry if this has been discussed

really we have yet to find anything that rules him out..we even found out his hair is actually curly like the sketch...he changed his hair game and started straightening it..or probably blowdrying it straight..later after A&L...I mean we literally can't find one thing that doesn't fit..height weight, by now they have his shoe size...there is nothing to exonerate him that we know of. mOO
 
  • #588
Sometimes I feel like you read my thoughts lol. Yes, JBC last posted Feb 14, 2017, but from what I can tell was private until March 9, 2017. He posted on Feb 13, but not until after 7pm. And I agree on the definition of "local". I have never thought it had to be Delphi specifically, just somewhere from the area. While the lying witness is interesting, I just struggle with certain aspects of it in this case. I believe JBC to be a strong possibility in this case and possibly at least 2 others. JMO, but that's what I think at the moment.
Oh and by the way, that post on Feb 13th was private.
 
  • #589
How did you come up that? (I actually have one of those!)
I love those cars! Have always wanted one since I was a kid. The convertible type.

And by sleuthing of course.
 
  • #590
IF the lying witness is BG, does that imply: physical evidence at the scene is next to nothing? Has the witness refused to give a DNA sample? If this was a premeditated crime would he have parked in an area where others could plainly see and possibly recognize his car, being a local? Can a murder really remain unsolved because of a crap alibi, IF there's physical evidence to link him to the scene? :confused:

Ha, there is really no “refused to give a sample” of DNA nowadays. If the cops want someone’s DNA, they WILL get it and easily.
 
  • #591
Ha, there is really no “refused to give a sample” of DNA nowadays. If the cops want someone’s DNA, they WILL get it and easily.
Exactly! Spit on the ground, throw away a coffee cup, drop a cig butt.
 
  • #592
How did you come up that? (I actually have one of those!)
Wait, you have one? Where were you in the afternoon hours of Feb 13, 2017?

(Just kidding, please forgive. If you are in some kind of VW club in Delphi though, please sleuth on your neighbors!)
 
  • #593
Wait, you have one? Where were you in the afternoon hours of Feb 13, 2017?

(Just kidding, please forgive. If you are in some kind of VW club in Delphi though, please sleuth on your neighbors!)
Actually I do remember where I was that afternoon. I was on a plane on my way to the west coast. Without my VW. :cool:

Of all the crimes committed in this country and this is probably one of a very few where I can recall where I was at the time.
 
  • #594
Could the white scarf or bag be covering up identifying tattoos on his neck or chest?
 
  • #595
I have already forgotten (Covid brain, atm) where on these last few pages it was said that a witness, possibly female?, said that BG did not have blue eyes. Saying it twice in fact, which IMO is odd. Now if it was BG who said that about blue eyes, then I’m 100% convinced that LE (NOW) knows who he is for real. Not then but now. mO0
 
  • #596
Could the white scarf or bag be covering up identifying tattoos on his neck or chest?
Well I suppose it could mean that, along with a ton of other reasons as to why he wore it. If that was a scarf that we think we saw. mO0
 
  • #597
What are some factors that would rule out JBC? Are there any? New-ish to this case, sorry if this has been discussed
One that MIGHT is DNA. But in the HLN program back in February, Sheriff Tobe Leazenby stated they had DNA, but they didn't know if they had the killer's DNA. I suppose that if that is really the case, DNA can rule him in, but not necessarily out. That leaves a solid alibi as probably the best. It's likely way too long ago to verify his whereabouts that day with video surveillance.
 
  • #598
unless someone he knows can verify he was. mOO
 
  • #599
Keep coming back to the thing that a friend of the girls said. That she looked so much like libby that her Grandparents could not tell them apart. This girl was friends with both Abby and libby. Mistaken identity by the killer?

Just remembered TB. All his victims look more or less similar. Especially in the beginning, when he was probably “taking revenge” on his first girlfriend. (Interesting that he spared her, but it is explainable: they were connected in history by having a long, passionate, affair. The police would have found him if the one who broke his heart were killed.)

So Bundy “vindicated” other women, who resembled her, in looks and even career (high college students). Maybe clothes they favored, maybe the way they smelled.

This being said, there were other women around him, whom he never touched. Liz K., and then, the future mother of his child. And probably, many others who were attractive enough for sex, but not resembling his first love enough to be killed.

(At the end, he got off the rails and off the stereotype, but if you pull out photos of his early victims, they looked almost like clones).

So, maybe LG was a mistaken identity, or maybe, he is attracted to such women as victims. Maybe one of them made him too angry once?

Could be LG or her sister Kelsi, or that girl who looked so much like Libby, or some of their female relatives.

What makes it easier, seems that among ethnic types in that area, there were many looking like Libby.
 
  • #600
@TTF14 just popping to say you’ve been dedicated to this case since thread 1, day 1, over 4.5 years ago. I hope to be here together with you one day when we can collectively celebrate this case being solved.
I don’t comment much but I have read every single post, every single thread since day one and I can’t wait to celebrate with all the people who have made this journey! Hopefully sooner than later…
 
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