Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[Ekliptika]

Sheriff Leazenby and ISP Riley are quoted in this article.

“We’re going deeper with alibis that are provided,” Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said. “Part of the reason … we have learned of people who have lied to us on the alibi.”

That doesn't make them suspects, per se, Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said, but it does mean that police want to find out the truth — whatever that might be.

"They’re seeing that maybe there are some discrepancies going on," Riley said about rechecking the alibis.“It’s just making sure we don’t miss something.”


Police corroborating alibis given in Delphi killings

Thanks. Interesting article that I have not seen before.

 

[JnRyan]

Following that April 2019 PC nothing was every said about that vehicle. I've never read where one reporter even asked folliw-up if LE got the information they were seeking about that vehicle.

Leads one to believe LE knows who's vehicle was parked there but can't prove it. Not even a possible color description was given to the public. Someone must be covering for the operator or LE only has a not so reliable witness to it that they need someone else to confirm.

There was an interview on TV, which I have not been able to find, with ISP Sgt Kim Riley a few months later. He had very little to say other than that was something they were still looking at. Since then, nothing. I was disappointed that the recent HLN program in February didn't bring it up. Also, it was not addressed in the questions Sheriff Leazenby answered in the local newspaper this last spring. (It was not asked? Or the Sheriff chose to ignore it?)

If it were important I wonder why it hasn't come up again from LE.

 

[CCJD]

Following that April 2019 PC nothing was every said about that vehicle. I've never read where one reporter even asked folliw-up if LE got the information they were seeking about that vehicle.

Leads one to believe LE knows who's vehicle was parked there but can't prove it. Not even a possible color description was given to the public. Someone must be covering for the operator or LE only has a not so reliable witness to it that they need someone else to confirm.

Or the vehicle's owner/driver came forward and LE was able to determine that it had nothing whatsoever to do with the murders.
JMO

 

[heartgoesout]

I've got a question about something that's been on my mind lately. Just wondering how others felt.

Would you say, with the great difference in BG sketch #1 and #2 and ISP Carter's words permeating, IMO, that LE had been fooled; that a witness who came forward (or even possibly more than one) lied about when and why they were there, about what they saw or heard?

I've been thinking a lot in general about the alibis given. I never really gave that much consideration that it might be one of the witnesses at the trails areas who gave false information to LE.

Thoughts?

Yes IMO. IMO a "witness" lied about what they saw. Once LE realized they had been lied to, IMO the said witness became a poi. LE then released the second sketch which we all know was actually done within the first three days. Second sketch was released at the presser where IMO it was clear LE was sending a message to BG.
The sketches are not two different people. IMO the first sketch was a lie.

 

[OverTheRhine]

Delphi Murders CrimeCon Interview Transcript - CrimeLights

Sorry, but this doesn't sound like a 'witness lied'. Multiple witnesses accepted the sketch and agreed on it outside of the type of hat.

Not to mention Anna said LE told her they had a good idea of who the first sketch was and were focusing more on the second sketch. And in the latest interview from February of this year, the ISP public relations officer said the they want people to focus on both sketches and neither has been ruled out.

If you ask me there's either 2 people involved or they can't say for certain if witnesses all saw the same person and remembered them differently, or if they did see 2 different people there since witness accounts are very unreliable. I don't believe for a single second witnesses intentional lied.

 

[racer308d]

the funny thing about the sketch is that hairline..in the younger sketch you see curly hair..well now, wouldn't you know that JBC really has curly hair and before the crimes you can clearly see the curly shorter hair on Facebook...so what of it now..?

it appears that at some point after Delphi he either started straightening it or blowing it out..it also looks colored. so when you are looking at him now, it is a changed appearance..from his old look..there are also pics of him after he got out of prison where he looks much younger than he is ..I think he can really look different , clean shaven..also really the only thing on the younger sketch that is slightly off is the nose..otherwise I feel it matches him..of course this is after studying his FB and seeing all the different versions of JBC.

so it just seems like we even got him on the hair..he absolutely changed his hair and I wonder what it looks like now that he is in jail.

anyway for me JBC is a match is every way..I would ask you if you have not even entertained the thought of trying to consider him, I would ask you to actually look at this man's Facebook, his whereabouts and proximities to
several crimes...at literally the times they happened.

also here is a guy, he is hiding in plain sight..a violent sadist, pedophile...a would be killer. ..if the police can take him seriously and cannot clear him , maybe you guys that reject him should take a little closer look...just so you can see what everyone else is seeing. His Facebook is still up and I would think that if JBC ends up being BG
y'all are gonna wish you had taken it more seriously before it got taken down.

just sayin.

mOO

Very well put, I am in total agreement. IMO from what I personally have uncovered and piecing things together, he may be the best POI that has yet to be made public.

 

[heartgoesout]

Delphi Murders CrimeCon Interview Transcript - CrimeLights

Sorry, but this doesn't sound like a 'witness lied'. Multiple witnesses accepted the sketch and agreed on it outside of the type of hat.

Not to mention Anna said LE told her they had a good idea of who the first sketch was and were focusing more on the second sketch. And in the latest interview from February of this year, the ISP public relations officer said the they want people to focus on both sketches and neither has been ruled out.

If you ask me there's either 2 people involved or they can't say for certain if witnesses all saw the same person and remembered them differently, or if they did see 2 different people there since witness accounts are very unreliable. I don't believe for a single second witnesses intentional lied.

As I indicated that was my opinion. It is also my humble opinion if you take away all preconceived opinions the answer is right there, hiding in plain sight.

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm still at odds about original released sketch. From what I heard in the Scene of the Crime podcast, they claimed the man in the original sketch was discovered and "cleared". In the Anna Williams interview with Jason Hebert, she also makes the same claim. That she was told, when they were shown the second sketch, that they were pretty sure who the first sketch was and want to focus on this new one. Yet the sketch almost definitely came from an FBI's interpretation of the video with witness input. So what are the odds that someone not on the bridge somehow ended up looking like what the FBI agent drew? And how come it took 2 years to find him? If he was innocent why did he not come forward in all that time?

Honestly, the only thing that might makes sense is if one witness was actually describing another witness and no body was able to put 2 and 2 together so they assumed it was someone not yet discovered. But that still doesn't explain why the original sketch looked like the man in the video.

BBM If he was innocent why did he not come forward in all that time?
IMO he never did, he didn't exist. IMO LE figured out the lie.
Honestly, the only thing that might makes sense...
And why does none of it make sense is the million dollar question. IMO it also makes sense that a witness was lying to throw off LE. This witness collaborated somewhat with another witness to seem credible but changed his description just enough.
IMO if you take it all back down to bare bones, there where only a few people there that day. Start there. JMO

 

[minazoe]

I am in the school that both sketches are the same person. mOO

 

[sunshineray]

Or the vehicle's owner/driver came forward and LE was able to determine that it had nothing whatsoever to do with the murders.
JMO

Why wouldn't they say that then? LE came forward and said that about a couple search warrants served, made sure the public knew.

That whole vehicle thing just makes no sense unless it was for confirmation of something LE already knew. No hints of a possible make, model, color given, not even a size. It's like they didn't want to jeopardize what they already knew by making it public. They needed someone to confirm it independently. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

Yes IMO. IMO a "witness" lied about what they saw. Once LE realized they had been lied to, IMO the said witness became a poi. LE then released the second sketch which we all know was actually done within the first three days. Second sketch was released at the presser where IMO it was clear LE was sending a message to BG.
The sketches are not two different people. IMO the first sketch was a lie.

I think the first sketch released, which was a compilation of more than one witness's recollections, was greatly influenced by lies.

I think now that some of those who contributed to it were honestly recalling what they could while one (possible two) were lying. That could be why that first sketch was said to be secondary? Then ISP Carter confused us all by saying killer could be a combination of the two sketches.

That would finally make sense to me as to why he kept saying that. The honest witnesses could have remembered and described some features and facial symmetry accurately.

 

[CCJD]

Why wouldn't they say that then? LE came forward and said that about a couple search warrants served, made sure the public knew.

That whole vehicle thing just makes no sense unless it was for confirmation of something LE already knew. No hints of a possible make, model, color given, not even a size. It's like they didn't want to jeopardize what they already knew by making it public. They needed someone to confirm it independently. AJMO

Well, let's face it. If LE came out and said, we know whose vehicle it is and it's not germane to the investigation, then there would be the inevitable questions... who owns it? why was it parked there? Was he/she a witness? Why won't LE tell us? What are they hiding? All for someone who (apparently) picked the wrong day to park there.
JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Delphi Murders CrimeCon Interview Transcript - CrimeLights

Sorry, but this doesn't sound like a 'witness lied'. Multiple witnesses accepted the sketch and agreed on it outside of the type of hat.

Not to mention Anna said LE told her they had a good idea of who the first sketch was and were focusing more on the second sketch. And in the latest interview from February of this year, the ISP public relations officer said the they want people to focus on both sketches and neither has been ruled out.

If you ask me there's either 2 people involved or they can't say for certain if witnesses all saw the same person and remembered them differently, or if they did see 2 different people there since witness accounts are very unreliable. I don't believe for a single second witnesses intentional lied.

Or they know some witness(es) lied and some others were honest. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

Well, let's face it. If LE came out and said, we know whose vehicle it is and it's not germane to the investigation, then there would be the inevitable questions... who owns it? why was it parked there? Was he/she a witness? Why won't LE tell us? What are they hiding? All for someone who (apparently) picked the wrong day to park there.
JMO

I think only people who would make themselves nuisances no matter what was said. IMO

 

[keep-it-real]

There was an interview on TV, which I have not been able to find, with ISP Sgt Kim Riley a few months later. He had very little to say other than that was something they were still looking at. Since then, nothing. I was disappointed that the recent HLN program in February didn't bring it up. Also, it was not addressed in the questions Sheriff Leazenby answered in the local newspaper this last spring. (It was not asked? Or the Sheriff chose to ignore it?)

If it were important I wonder why it hasn't come up again from LE.

Does the type of 'vehicle' have more relevance that LE wish to disclose?
In my opinion the vehicle was most likely a motorcycle!

The legal definition of a motorcycle for the purposes of registration, taxation and rider licensing in most countries is a powered two-wheel motor vehicle and many jurisdictions include some forms of three-wheelers as motorcycles.

Legal definition of motorcycle - Wikipedia

 

[heartgoesout]

IMO LE knows what type vehicle was there. They are looking to identify the driver.
Carter ~ "We're seeking the public's help to identify the DRIVER of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS building..."

 

[heartgoesout]

This has been in my signature for many years. I feel very strongly it is super important in this case.
"I have learned that people tend to believe, hold on to and investigate off whatever a witness, a suspect, friend or family says...People lie. Think outside the box".

 

[Laura456]

1. this murder took place in the middle of the day.
2. it took place in a high traffic area
3. there were people nearby
4. he attacked 2 people at the same time.

i find this very odd. was he not worried that one of the girls will escape will the other was being killed? there were people nearby. its a forest. lots of trees for cover and they could run in any direction.

this man did not care.

this was not something planned. this wasn't opportunistic. this was personal.

i think something happened between the girls and this man. some kind of interaction or altercation.

i dont think this man saw the girls from a distance and just decided to kill them in the middle of the day in a busy trail.

something must have happened. this guy was angry.

But on the phone recording they don't recognize him. What could they have done to anger him? Said rude things to him in a grocery store? Went on his property? Bullied his child? I think police would have tracked these back.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

There are various reasons Websleuths does not allow links to certain podcasts.

Having said that, we can confirm as fact that Sgt. Riley (in an audio interview on a non-approved podcast) specifically referred to the vehicle at the abandoned CPS building as a "car".

 

[carbuff]

IMO LE knows what type vehicle was there. They are looking to identify the driver.
Carter ~ "We're seeking the public's help to identify the DRIVER of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS building..."

That has always sounded to me like they had identified the vehicle but needed to know who was driving it. Like it belonged to a company where several employees might have driven it, or it was shared by a family, or something like that.