Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #139

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  • #81
I'm fairly sure LE would've been able to get a lot of meta data from the big tech companies and know more, including who created the accounts.

Unless this guy used a VPN on his phone, and all other devices he might have logged into the accounts, there's a high probability that LE have an IP address. And they certainly have the tools to link an IP address back to the guy's internet service provider, in turn giving them access to the user's personal details.

What does an IP address tell you and how it can put you at risk

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-way-to-legally-trace-social-media-accounts-to-an-IP-address

I'm sure they have a guy in their sights and have released this info to: (i) either get more witnesses to generate leads of inquiry that they can follow to build a stronger case, OR (ii) to put pressure on this guy to do something to implicate himself directly.

Reminds me of a recent breakthrough of the murder or Russell Hill and Carol Clay here in Australia. For over 18 months there was no progress on the case, then about 6 weeks ago LE released images of a blue vehicle asking the public to come forward for more information if they've seen the vehicle, pretending they don't know who the driver was.

4 weeks later they arrested a guy. Turns out they knew exactly who the driver was when they released the information to the public - they had their eyes on all his movements (listening devices all over, etc.). The strategy was to release the info about his car to the public and track his responses to see how he reacts to the extra pressure, to see if he does anything else to implicate himself more....

I think this is what's happening here. Or at least, I hope this is what's happening here...


Totally agree with the above. They know who it is. Think about the risk / reward ratio of releasing this information if they don't already know everything they need to know: how many people, realistically, are going to remember chatting to this profile four / five years ago? LE would already have followed up on every IG account he's following in private. Anyone else remembering anything is unlikely, so the "reward" chances are low. Conversely, there's the "risk" that the killer deletes his accounts and destroys evidence. If they don't know who it is, that risk isn't worth it.

LE will know this. They're provoking a reaction.

A possible reason for the night time announcement: get the killer to see it when they wake up, and they react when they're least likely to think clearly. At the same time, if he saw it at night before going to bed, any suspicious activity at that time of night stands out as even more suspicious to a partner / spouse.
 
  • #82
I apologize if this has been stated already and I missed it, but I feel like this new development has likely been in the works for awhile, and that's one reason for the new larger command center.

Also, is it me, or does the recently missing girl linked on last thread not look somewhat like AW? Similar description.
 
  • #83
A possible reason for the factory reset: the killer hacked Libby's phone <modsnip> Libby somehow knew that someone was remotely accessing her phone and was forced to reset.
 
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  • #84
This new information is very interesting indeed. Could shots be Chadwell ? if not I'd hope they have an idea of who it is and have them under surveillance to prevent the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 fleeing, committing suicide or taking his harddrive for a bath.
 
  • #85
This new information is very interesting indeed. Could shots be Chadwell ? if not I'd hope they have an idea of who it is and have them under surveillance to prevent the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 fleeing, committing suicide or taking his harddrive for a bath.

Very good and realistic points. Theoretically, wouldn’t ‘shots’ have to be someone they have in custody, on some charge or other, for them to have any chance of preventing suicide or data destruction?

Or do they have enough confidence in his profile to think that suicide isn’t likely? Pretty risky, that.

Or are they gambling because they don’t have enough evidence to move forward, so stirring things up is worth it?

All My Random Speculations
 
  • #86
Very good and realistic points. Theoretically, wouldn’t ‘shots’ have to be someone they have in custody, on some charge or other, for them to have any chance of preventing suicide or data destruction?

Or do they have enough confidence in his profile to think that suicide isn’t likely? Pretty risky, that.

Or are they gambling because they don’t have enough evidence to move forward, so stirring things up is worth it?

All My Random Speculations
It's a real quandary, but I can't believe they've just chucked down one of their aces / cards after imposing a media blackout and staying tight lipped for nigh on 5 years.
There's something in this, the day must be coming surely (and I will dance for joy when the monster is revealed and justice is done for the girls).
 
  • #87
I apologize if this has been stated already and I missed it, but I feel like this new development has likely been in the works for awhile, and that's one reason for the new larger command center.

Also, is it me, or does the recently missing girl linked on last thread not look somewhat like AW? Similar description.

I think the recently missing girl looks a lot like Abbey too. She looks very like her in some of the Instagram photos she has posted on her main account. I’m not suggesting there is any link between the two cases. It is clear law enforcement are extremely concerned about her and I hope she is found as soon as possible.
 
  • #88
Has anyone watched the tv show Catfish? I would watch it with my niece who was getting to the age of talking to boys online, in the show people go very great lengths to hide who they really are to talk to people such as stealing images of random people and claim to be them, plenty of these catfish actually know the person that they are fishing, I’ve seen on plenty on how these situations can go south real quick to on ID channel too. Sometime a catfish is never found, but I think LE is definitely on to something, the perp is going to be really stressing now.

imo jmo moo

Yes. I love that show. And it's another reason I said "teenager" in a post last night. Often these folks start in their teenage years, young, and have been catfishing for a long time. They feel on the outside looking in for various reasons and create a persona.

On the flip side is someone doing it on purpose to catfish a particular person to toy with them. In that case (in this case), the catfisher could be male or female. If one of the girls was targeted maybe they had a female rival trying to mess with them.
 
  • #89
It's a real quandary, but I can't believe they've just chucked down one of their aces / cards after imposing a media blackout and staying tight lipped for nigh on 5 years.
There's something in this, the day must be coming surely (and I will dance for joy when the monster is revealed and justice is done for the girls).

That is a very good point about this popping up out of their media blackout. To me it would indicate that this is recent information LE has come upon. The open and sudden way they released it is totally opposite of the stonewalling silence we’ve had for almost five years and, again, to me, shows urgency and that LE considers this very important.
 
  • #90
So LE has always said they weren’t in contact with their killer. Did they just realize they actually were? This has always been my theory despite what LE says because it’s the only thing that makes sense.

Not necessarily. They may have a caught a guy who was catfishing underage girls with this profile and other profiles since then. They may suspect he *could* be involved in this case. They didn't ask to identify the creator or user of the profile at all. They asked for those who communicated with the profile, or images used by someone to come forward. There may be a link or none at all.
 
  • #91
oh my goodness greg....
the sketches.....
especially now...

A statement about the sketches need to be made from LE and clear it up.

They are not helpful.

moo

ISP cleared it up, they stated that sketch 1 is not someone they are looking for, the PoI is sketch 2.

Any confusion is based on speculation, if you listen to what ISP say its pretty clear.
 
  • #92
I apologize if this has been stated already and I missed it, but I feel like this new development has likely been in the works for awhile, and that's one reason for the new larger command center.

Also, is it me, or does the recently missing girl linked on last thread not look somewhat like AW? Similar description.
It's not just you. I thought she looks a lot like her, too. I just have a gut feeling they are connected.

This info being released at the same time the silver alert was reissued is too coincidental, especially considering how little has been released about her disappearance and it's been A MONTH!
 
  • #93
That is a very good point about this popping up out of their media blackout. To me it would indicate that this is recent information LE has come upon. The open and sudden way they released it is totally opposite of the stonewalling silence we’ve had for almost five years and, again, to me, shows urgency and that LE considers this very important.


According to Kelsey on a Facebook page, police have known about this profile for awhile. No information was given as to how long constitutes awhile. It made me think that perhaps police are executing a warrant and need more information or perhaps they are holding somebody but they cannot currently charge him in this particular crime without more information. It seems possible to me that they've picked up somebody who was using this particular profile to catfish other girls in the area at that time and may just be trying to link him to this particular crime.

If they were up against a deadline to charge or release that may explain the urgency.

I wonder how long the family has known about this information given that there was not too long ago a news article speaking about how Abby's grand father did not believe this crime would be solved within his lifetime.
 
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  • #94
It's not just you. I thought she looks a lot like her, too. I just have a gut feeling they are connected.

This info being released at the same time the silver alert was reissued is too coincidental, especially considering how little has been released about her disappearance and it's been A MONTH!


I was not aware until this morning that there is another girl missing from the area, do you guys think perhaps she is a victim of the person who created the profile in question?
 
  • #95
Maybe reaching, but could tie in with the second press conference.

The change in direction was to stop thinking the photos of the model was the suspect.
 
  • #96
I was not aware until this morning that there is another girl missing from the area, do you guys think perhaps she is a victim of the person who created the profile in question?
I don't know. I wonder if they found a connection and it forced them to release this information.

I'd like to set up a missing page for her here but there is literally nothing in the media except a few articles all stating the same thing. And she has been missing a month.
 
  • #97
We don't allow linking to personal FB pages, but this is the Lamborghini company page, and I believe where anthony_shots probably got the Lambo image from. Image was uploaded April 12, 2015.

Facebook

It is interesting that this page only has 810 followers. It doesn’t seem like an actual business page. I wonder if the individual behind the anthony_shots profile was also following this page to lift that photo? The image was added as a cover photo in April 2015.
 
  • #98
I think you might be right. It's kind of strange to release this new information about Abby and Libby now, knowing it might overshadow the search for Tout while at the same time reissuing a Silver Alert. I searched to see if there's a thread for her on WS but could not find one.

"Tout is described as being a white female, 5’5″, 120 pounds, strawberry blonde hair, blue eyes, and has a nose piercing.

She was last seen Sunday, October 26, 2021 at 7 p.m. and believed to be in extreme danger."

Courtney Tout missing from Richmond, IN
Courtney has been missing since OCTOBER and there is just now a Silver Alert? This is the first I have heard about it and I am in Indiana.
 
  • #99
I am trying to understand why in one of the photos they also included screenshots of the Gucci photo showing the shopping bag. Those sizes are significantly larger than someone pretending to have the body of the individual in the photos. Was this one example of mistakes made in the fake profile?
Back to Alaska, was this a mistake also? As in they truly were born in Alaska and raised in Indiana? Hence familiar with the area?

My current hunch based on the Insta profile headline and wording is someone 30-40 years of age. Just an opinion based on some of the language. LA to NY business travel. Travel living - How old was he telling girls he was?
I wonder about the Alaska bit, too, but I think it's maybe yet another ploy to make his persona sound exotic to young girls. And for his goal, his target audience probably was not paying attention to sizes, but prices, which were much more pronounced and visible on his posts. Honestly, I think he was wagering that the ones who didn't question these details would be the most vulnerable victims. Jmo.
 
  • #100
Courtney has been missing since OCTOBER and there is just now a Silver Alert? This is the first I have heard about it and I am in Indiana.
No, they issued one a month ago and reissued another yesterday.

I'm going to open a thread on her in this forum.
 
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