Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #140

[MistyWaters]

Oh, I thought that was what prompted the controversy in the beginning regarding whether or not the girls were taken to another location and killed and then brought back to the area where they were found. IMO

No, if anything it was FB controversy based on speculation.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

You're making that statement with no evidence to support it

If it's based on the information surrounding Kline, all we know about the Kline case is that a tip to the Delphi hotline led to Kline, who was found to have committed other crimes.

The tip line may have led LE to numerous unrelated crimes. We have heard nothing so far that would connect Kline to the Delphi murders (though of course he needs to be investigated).

There is also no evidence to support the idea that a tip to the Delphi hotline led to Kline.
We don’t know how LE came upon him exactly. According to the probable cause affidavit for his arrest the FBI, in February 2017 was working on a redacted case for ISP and notified ISP CyberCrime Unit that an adult male was soliciting young females on social media. This person turned out to be Kline.
Whether the FBI got this information from the tip line, witness interview, or directly off Libby or Abby’s electronic devices is unknown.
The Delphi investigation team are the people who broke this information and are the people investigating this possible connection. I think it’s safe to say, they know some things we don’t know, and they think Kline is connected.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

The search the previous day didn’t occur until after darkness because the girls weren’t reported missing until 5:30pm. Nowhere has anyone claimed to have searched that spot the previous night. The families said the search mainly involved people walking along the trails calling out their names. For sure nobody was looking for bodies

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

The search the previous day didn’t occur until after darkness because the girls weren’t reported missing until 5:30pm. Nowhere has anyone claimed to have searched that spot the previous night. The families said the search mainly involved people walking along the trails calling out their names. For sure nobody was looking for bodies

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

No, if anything it was FB controversy based on speculation.

But I read it here, so I figured it was legitimate news.

 

[Imvp2]

When JBC pled guilty and bypassed his rights to a fair trial, I knew we may be losing possible vital details that would have been released in court proceedings. Be awful for the child and her mother so it saves them from more trauma.

What is odd about KAK is that he cannot post bond and make his bail. That, to me, indicates his fantasies were mostly those of his own therefore not profit driven.

Money can certainly be made in distributing porn. If he's BG, was he recording their deaths, possibly? Snapping photos? Was porn found on JBCs el devices? JBC ever go to Peru? KAK travel to Kokomo, Lafayette, Logansport perhaps? There's a prisoner in same state as Kline also RSO. Wondered if it's genetically factored into some folks as why they must seek children? I cannot fathom the propensity!

jmhoo

MOO KAK may not have access to his Cash App or other funds, preventing him from posting bail. He may realize accessing such an app would draw LE attention to it and perhaps link him to other profiles and apps. My opinion, LE has this info and it may be extensive

 

[Spartygirl]

Yes, that’s true. We all know how important our friends are at that age, and with all of the selfies and constant texting and posting, I’d think there would be valuable information gleaned from their friends cell phones.
Hopefully their parents explained the importance of sharing any information they have with LE that could help solve this crime. IMO

Yeah, I am pretty sure there were school friends who were reluctant to share their phones with LE, but hopefully they eventually decided to do so.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

But I read it here, so I figured it was legitimate news.

Definitely not news, at best somebody’s opinion.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Oh, I thought that was what prompted the controversy in the beginning regarding whether or not the girls were taken to another location and killed and then brought back to the area where they were found. IMO

Just my opinion, but I think the “the spot was searched and they were not found, then they were there the next day” argument came about just as an attempt to support the killed and brought back theory.
A lot of people looked for the girls on Feb 13th but it’s an exaggeration to think every square foot was covered.
Just my thoughts.

 

[MistyWaters]

MOO KAK may not have access to his Cash App or other funds, preventing him from posting bail. He may realize accessing such an app would draw LE attention to it and perhaps link him to other profiles and apps. My opinion, LE has this info and it may be extensive

I think so too, it would seem probable LE has had KAK under their radar the entire time, almost five years now. I’d sure hope it wouldn’t go unnoticed if someone posted bail directly from the profits of an illegal activity they were charged. It’s not difficult for LE to determine a money trail, they do it all the time.

 

[MistyWaters]

Just my opinion, but I think the “the spot was searched and they were not found, then they were there the next day” argument came about just as an attempt to support the killed and brought back theory.
A lot of people looked for the girls on Feb 13th but it’s an exaggeration to think every square foot was covered.
Just my thoughts.

It started for a couple of other reasons that come to mind……the date on Abby’s published memorial, the shack….please let this not fuel another round of flogging a dead horse!

 

[StarryStarryNight]

It started for a couple of other reasons that come to mind……the date on Abby’s published memorial, the shack….please let this not fuel another round of flogging a dead horse!

Totally agree!

 

[insearchoflight]

LE alluded to this very early on

know what your kids are doing and who they are communicating with

something to that effect

they thought they would quickly connect the dots but they couldn’t

hence needing that one clue that would solve this from the public

they were onto something early on

Moo

 

[sandy_80]

Except it was referred to as a cat fishing crime from the beginning... the snapchat murders. Also MOO but I was under the impression that the girls had been figuring out a way to try to get to the trails since the morning. I suspect it was possibly a reason for the sleepover.

eh..its not any le that called the snapchat murders.. thats just a SM thing
the decision to go was taken by the sister.. she was the one with the final word

 

[sandy_80]

LE alluded to this very early on

know what your kids are doing and who they are communicating with

something to that effect

they thought they would quickly connect the dots but they couldn’t

hence needing that one clue that would solve this from the public

they were onto something early on

Moo

ok ok
so you decide to take this vague warning as evidence.. but ignore the fact they made a strong denial about the online connection around the same time ?

 

[racer308d]

When JBC pled guilty and bypassed his rights to a fair trial, I knew we may be losing possible vital details that would have been released in court proceedings. Be awful for the child and her mother so it saves them from more trauma.

What is odd about KAK is that he cannot post bond and make his bail. That, to me, indicates his fantasies were mostly those of his own therefore not profit driven.

Money can certainly be made in distributing porn. If he's BG, was he recording their deaths, possibly? Snapping photos? Was porn found on JBCs el devices? JBC ever go to Peru? KAK travel to Kokomo, Lafayette, Logansport perhaps? There's a prisoner in same state as Kline also RSO. Wondered if it's genetically factored into some folks as why they must seek children? I cannot fathom the propensity!

jmhoo

JBC is from Peru, and it's very common for people to commute to Logansport and Kokomo for work (I did and I have family that do). I won't be the least bit surprised if it comes out that JBC and KAK are...acquainted. JMO.

EBM to fix initials

 

[Ozoner]

The Delphi investigation team are the people who broke this information and are the people investigating this possible connection. I think it’s safe to say, they know some things we don’t know, and they think Kline is connected.

Snipped.

The way things were worded gives the impression that the wide net cast by the Delphi investigation led to Kline, but I have not seen anything in MSM stating that the Delphi investigation team considers Kline a POI in that case.

If you have a quote from them that says that he is, then please share it.

 

[TL4S]

Money can certainly be made in distributing porn. If he's BG, was he recording their deaths, possibly? Snapping photos?

Rsbm

KAK does not have any charges relating to the production of CSAM. He does, however, have Possession and Exploitation charges. I've said it several times now, but his 2/17/2017 (four days after the murders) charges have aggravating factors (c)(e)(1), which concerns me that something like you've said did occur. But if it did happen, it was likely done by somebody other than KAK. KAK was then the recipient of the material, and he attempted to share it. Jmo.

ETA: There is the problem of the Samsung Galaxy 5 factory reset ten days after the murders. So knows what was wiped from that phone. Basically the same thing with the iPhone 5.

 

[TL4S]

Other than the general investigation, was there any specific search or event that occurred in the days just prior to KAK's 2/23/17 Samsung factory reset? Something which could have prompted him to do that? Maybe the 2/22/17 press conference where the audio clip was released?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Snipped.

The way things were worded gives the impression that the wide net cast by the Delphi investigation led to Kline, but I have not seen anything in MSM stating that the Delphi investigation team considers Kline a POI in that case.

If you have a quote from them that says that he is, then please share it.

I apologize if I didn’t understand what you were trying to say.
Your original post said “We have heard nothing so far to connect Kline to the Delphi murders”.
You are right, LE has not named him a POI.
I was responding to the original post and the fact that the initial bulletin was put out by the Delphi Investigative team and in itself, in my opinion, that points to the fact that they think the anthony_shots profile and KAK are connected in some way to Delphi. If LE did not think so, almost five years after the murders, I think some other part of ISP would have issued that bulletin.
My goof. I misunderstood.

 

[steeltowngirl]

ok ok
so you decide to take this vague warning as evidence.. but ignore the fact they made a strong denial about the online connection around the same time ?

Do you have a link for the strong denial of an online connection by LE? I have not seen that in MSM. TIA..