Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[MassGuy]

Paul Holes thinks investigators need to release more evidence to the public. He talks about how they tend to be very careful early on in regards to what they share, but now is the time to "pull back the curtain" a little more.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

The comment by JSM about an “edged weapon” being used was news to me.
moo.

 

[TTF14]

@MassGuy, you did a great job with your synopsis. Thank you!

My comments:

A couple of times during the video (twice I think?) they merged the two photos, slowly. I think viewers should pause and really take a look and see if the merging of the photos looks like anyone.

I understand it was a timing/taping issue, but I wish they (especially Paul Holes) would have talked about what Carter said about "80-100" extra staff on the case AFTER an arrest is made. What does he make of that??

I'm really gonna have to think about this timeline again with the new "43 seconds at 2:13, and "down the hill" is at the end of it" information. And BG nowhere in the photo of Abby.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I am back to wondering what answer LE received when they followed up on where KAK’s phone was that was not uncovered during the search and wiped before it was handed over.

 

[TTF14]

I am back to wondering what answer LE received when they followed up on where KAK’s phone was that was not uncovered during the search and wiped before it was handed over.

And what else was in the 25-minute talk with Barb MacDonald? We heard, what, maybe 90 seconds of it?

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Coupled with the statement about the violence and about the girls blood overpowering BG’s DNA..well it’s easy to read between the lines.
JMVHO.

 

[mekeritrig]

I'd like to know the context for the probable cause affidavit that HLN was quoting from. Who was the target and when was it written?

Going to be very disappointed if after they publicly demanded LE release more info tonight they don't post that document for the public to know the full context of what they based their 3 'breaking' headlines on.

 

[TTF14]

I'd like to know the context for the probable cause affidavit that HLN was quoting from. Who was the target and when was it written?

Going to be very disappointed if after they publicly demanded LE release more info tonight they don't post that document for the public to know the full context of what they based their 3 'breaking' headlines on.

Yes, me too! Why was an affadavit released to one national news source and not the public? Is that legal?

 

[fred&edna]

I'm really gonna have to think about this timeline again with the new "43 seconds at 2:13, and "down the hill" is at the end of it" information. And BG nowhere in the photo of Abby.

Same here!

 

[JnRyan]

I have to admit I didn't expect any bombshells to come from this. WOW! Was I wrong.
Here I pulled from it:

No LE responded for this special or attempted to participate. [Why? Because of JBC and KAK?)

More info to be released? HLN legal analyst says it is a balancing act by LE.

Audio with killer is at end of video. [I thought there was more after that point.]

Liberty’s video is only 43 seconds long.

The encounter (“Guys…down the hill”) was at 2:13 PM per time stamp of video. [Timeline implication?]

LE has not revealed if there is additional video so additional video/audio is not known.

KAK has no recollection of having that last communication with Liberty even though LE told him it was so.

Holes and FBI profiler stated the two sketches is confusing to public and the public is who LE is depending on. [Some explanation is needed per Holes and FBI profiler.]

Crime scene contaminated? Hard to have a pristine CS per Joseph Morgan

Expert (Joseph Morgan) stated that DNA is fragile. Especially touch DNA which could be blown away by the wind and only a partial obtained.

Genealogy. Holes says many factors. The girls blood could have contaminated killer’s DNA and a mixed sample can’t be used. Hair strand w/o a root can still be used.

Morgan seems to think an edged weapon was used (How he knows or thinks is not clear). Means killer was prepared.

Morgan believes killer was predatory and waiting.

Casey Jordan: Was killer in search party? In addition to KAK who else was in contact with the girls and knew about the walk?

McDonald: LE says it isn’t cold.

Did LE make mistakes? Possibly.

Holes: Should more info be released? Justifiable in beginning. Now? Five years later LE needs to review if more can be released.

Wow! Wow!

 

[TL4S]

The comment by JSM about an “edged weapon” being used was news to me.
moo.

DbM...I figured it out. What did he say about an edged weapon?

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

@MassGuy, you did a great job with your synopsis. Thank you!

My comments:

A couple of times during the video (twice I think?) they merged the two photos, slowly. I think viewers should pause and really take a look and see if the merging of the photos looks like anyone.

ITA.
I took multiple screenshots of each photo being changed into the other. I hope others do the same.
moo

 

[Tiff23fr]

I'd like to know the context for the probable cause affidavit that HLN was quoting from. Who was the target and when was it written?

Going to be very disappointed if after they publicly demanded LE release more info tonight they don't post that document for the public to know the full context of what they based their 3 'breaking' headlines on.

I agree, full context would be ideal.

IMO: It wasn’t clear on “who”, but the affidavit on the screen included the text descriptor of a two story white house. I believe this fits the description of the home KAK shared with his father per the address in the affidavit we have seen:
https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Kegan-Anthony-Kline-PC.pdf

 

[mekeritrig]

I agree, full context would be ideal.

IMO: It wasn’t clear on “who”, but the affidavit on the screen included the text descriptor of a two story White House. I believe this fits the description of the home KAK shared with his father per the address in the affidavit we have seen:
https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Kegan-Anthony-Kline-PC.pdf

Did you happen to get a screen capture of the image of the affidavit they showed on screen? I was streaming it but I'll try to get an image of it when the special reruns if nobody else took a screenshot.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Did you happen to get a screen capture of the image of the affidavit they showed on screen? I was streaming it but I'll try to get an image of it when the special reruns if nobody else took a screenshot.

Unfortunately, I did not. I tried to see if I could rewind and do that, but live tv had already returned to playing Part 1 of Down the Hill.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Did you happen to get a screen capture of the image of the affidavit they showed on screen? I was streaming it but I'll try to get an image of it when the special reruns if nobody else took a screenshot.

I took screenshots but not of the entire document. What part are you looking for specifically?

 

[mekeritrig]

I took screenshots but not of the entire document. What part are you looking for specifically?

The part that had legible text.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

DbM...I figured it out. What did he say about an edged weapon?

I believe he said that it was used on the girls as apart of his kill kit. I can’t link it right now because I watched it live, and I don’t believe there is a link to watch it back at the moment.

 

[TexLil]

Via Twitter @ISPPERU Indiana State Police Public Information Officer:

https://twitter.com/ISPPeru/status/1492671892389564422?t=q_q2NL74-t_wuLqDI9nNdw&s=19

New tip line phone number 765-822-3535 (for Abby and Libby).

MOO Why a new tip line? Will a new number help or hurt?

Praying for an arrest soon. Praying for justice.

 

[TL4S]

Via Twitter @ISPPERU Indiana State Police Public Information Officer:

https://twitter.com/ISPPeru/status/1492671892389564422?t=q_q2NL74-t_wuLqDI9nNdw&s=19

New tip line phone number 765-822-3535 (for Abby and Libby).

MOO Why a new tip line? Will a new number help or hurt?

Praying for an arrest soon. Praying for justice.

ISP Peru.