Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[Yemelyan]

This gave me ugly chills.

Libby's dad, trying to reach her at 3:11.

IMO BG was already out of the area.

Or he'd have destroyed her phone.

Do we know from where LE recovered it? Was it still in her pocket?

JMO

LE have said the phone was in the same general area where the girls were found.

In an interview with the producers of the podcast DTH, Sgt. Riley said that they found the bodies and established a crime scene perimeter, but then they found the phone and they realized that the crime scene needed to be expanded to include the bridge. So it seems from that information that the girls and the phone were found at different times.

 

[somequestions]

In fact, the more seriously they take it, the less likely you are to hear anything about it, unless they need more information from you.

I submitted a tip on an unidentified person a couple of years back, didn't hear anything for months and months, until I got a nice email from the local FBI office (not who I submitted the tip to) saying thank you for the tip, we were able to rule it out, thank you again we rely on the input of people like you participating in the justice process.

So you never know.

In a completely different unsolved case I submitted a tip and never heard anything. It was so long ago that I cannot remember. I only know it was before this case.

 

[Prime8]

I just saw this a few minutes ago.
HLN at least is planning something for the fifth anniversary.

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Where did you see this? I can't find anything about it anywhere.

 

[hooziewhutz]

Where did you see this? I can't find anything about it anywhere.

It took some digging, but I found it here.
Watch HLN Special Report: Unsolved: The Delphi Murders Online | Season 0, Ep. 0 on DIRECTV | DIRECTV

 

[Prime8]

It took some digging, but I found it here.
Watch HLN Special Report: Unsolved: The Delphi Murders Online | Season 0, Ep. 0 on DIRECTV | DIRECTV

Thanks!

 

[cujenn81]

Yes but I don’t think the time had any connection to the SC photos. Indeed 2:30pm was the “last seen” time recorded and photographed on the FBI billboards and also when DC and the family appeared on Dr Phil, it was the time used to calculate when Libby’s video of BG was taken (last seen) and the estimation of the crime occurring, all happening within a short 41 minute window (between 2:30pm and Libby’s dad first failed attempt to contact her by cellphone at 3:11pm).

IIRC, there were some scientific calculations that also came into play with this. For example, the video was analyzed by the folks at NASA and they were able to determine the approximate time BG was captured crossing the bridge based on the amount and direction of sunlight (and shadow) observed in the video.

 

[FromGermany1]

As far as the “twist” is concerned, at first I thought it referred to a strange or weird thing that was found or happened at the crime scene.
Now, I agree with @FrostedGlass and @zencompass that the twist is missing children turned up murdered, and the killer was caught on video.

I think, because the "twist" wasn't mentioned by LE as a positive fact but as a negative one, it can't be the heroic deed of videotaping the killer. The "twist" gave LE problems, as far as I remember. Without "twist" it would have been easier to understand the crime and to suspect a certain person. The "twist" contradicted LE's first thoughts of how to catch the killer and for what reason.

At least, so was/is my feeling. I'm still very interested to learn about this "twist"! (I'm still interested also in "the white thing" under BG's chin and in BG's shoes.)
At the 5th anniversary I would very much like to hear from LE about the "twist". Maybe, that would help a lot?

ETA: Would like to know, if the "twist" became lapsed in 2019, when LE had a new strategy?

 

[JnRyan]

About the "twist" that is mentioned. I've thought about that off and on. Maybe it is one of the 'signatures' or a combination.

Then again, I think that our life experiences affect how we judge things we see. My first trip to New Orleans was as an adult and I thought some of the things as strange, but the locals did not. ("Hey, its the "Big Easy" and that's just how things are here.") I believe the term "twist" probably came from the then local prosecutor, Ives. According to a 2006 article I found in the Carroll County Comet, Ives grew up in Delphi and graduated from Delphi Community HS. In articles on his retirement he had been the prosecutor since 1987. Ives' experiences are probably not like a prosecutor in Chicago, St. Louis and certainly not like those in NYC and Los Angeles. Those prosecutors have probably seen more in 6 months than Ives has experienced in 10 years. The deaths of two young girls would horrify ANY prosecutor. But I wonder if any experienced Chicago prosecutor would have viewed these murders as having a twist.

I've also heard that the term originated from Sheriff Leazenby who has been the sheriff since 2014. Reading his bio from the Comet, he went to high school in Michigantown IN (just south of Delphi), he has a 2 year degree from Vincennes U. and he started as 19 yo jailer in the county in 1986. He apparently has been there ever since. Same thing as Ives about his experiences.

 

[JnRyan]

I just saw this a few minutes ago.
HLN at least is planning something for the fifth anniversary.

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Thanks! With the 5 year mark coming this weekend that is fairly quick unless this has been in the works for some time. I hope it is something substantial involving LE and others in Delphi and not a recap put together at the station.

 

[InvisibleMe]

I just saw this a few minutes ago.
HLN at least is planning something for the fifth anniversary.

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Ugh...5 years without being solved. So sad.

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Does anyone know if there will be any press conference or coverage of the 5 year mark? Surely it’s time to release more info now...

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Lol please ignore my post! I literally scrolled up and there’s a documentary on it!!

 

[TheVisual]

I think, because the "twist" wasn't mentioned by LE as a positive fact but as a negative one, it can't be the heroic deed of videotaping the killer. The "twist" gave LE problems, as far as I remember. Without "twist" it would have been easier to understand the crime and to suspect a certain person. The "twist" contradicted LE's first thoughts of how to catch the killer and for what reason.

At least, so was/is my feeling. I'm still very interested to learn about this "twist"! (I'm still interested also in "the white thing" under BG's chin and in BG's shoes.)
At the 5th anniversary I would very much like to hear from LE about the "twist". Maybe, that would help a lot?

ETA: Would like to know, if the "twist" became lapsed in 2019, when LE had a new strategy?

" white thing" under BG's chin and in BG's shoes. What white in shoes?

 

[JnRyan]

Lol please ignore my post! I literally scrolled up and there’s a documentary on it!!

Not a problem. I myself am holding off on my view till I see it. Documentary with new info? Rehash of what has already out there? I don't know.

 

[MistyWaters]

" white thing" under BG's chin and in BG's shoes. What white in shoes?

This pic below was one of the first released by MSM. Depending on the size of screen one is viewing it from, if it’s a cellphone it might look like something white in his shoe but really it’s nothing in the shoe area is very clear because of a lot of pixelization.



https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-new...-was-on-the-walking-trails-monday-near-delphi

 

[FromGermany1]

" white thing" under BG's chin and in BG's shoes. What white in shoes?

Nothing white re shoes!
I'm interested in ....
1. White thing under chin in open blue jacket, maybe looking out at the seam of the jacket also (front, middle).
2. Brand of his shoes, the style. (They might be dark with a light stripe on it, NOT Nike probably.)

 

[TheVisual]

Nothing white re shoes!
I'm interested in ....
1. White thing under chin in open blue jacket, maybe looking out at the seam of the jacket also (front, middle).
2. Brand of his shoes, the style. (They might be dark with a light stripe on it, NOT Nike probably.)

Ok, I thought you meant something white on the shoes. If you watch the video carefully, watch BG's left foot coming down. You have to stop it at just the right moment. It shows the whole top of his foot and it is a hiker style. Brown with black rubber on the toe. I'd post a picture if I knew how.

 

[Charlot123]

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I think, because the "twist" wasn't mentioned by LE as a positive fact but as a negative one, it can't be the heroic deed of videotaping the killer. The "twist" gave LE problems, as far as I remember. Without "twist" it would have been easier to understand the crime and to suspect a certain person. The "twist" contradicted LE's first thoughts of how to catch the killer and for what reason.

At least, so was/is my feeling. I'm still very interested to learn about this "twist"! (I'm still interested also in "the white thing" under BG's chin and in BG's shoes.)
At the 5th anniversary I would very much like to hear from LE about the "twist". Maybe, that would help a lot?

ETA: Would like to know, if the "twist" became lapsed in 2019, when LE had a new strategy?

I feel it is like “a story in a story”, or “a picture in a picture”, there might be two layers there that got connected almost accidentally, and formed the resulting plot.

Here is the story that I consider “a twist». A SK ran into two men who were raping a young woman. He beat up both; they succumbed to the severity of the wounds. Then he offered the woman to accompany her home for protection. On the way, it hit him: she was a potential witness, - and he killed her.

It would be “a twist” because everything on the female victim, DNA, blood, came from the two assailants. But they didn’t kill her.

I don’t think it is the same situation, but whatever happened, messed up their clues. JMO.

 

[Charlot123]

Nothing white re shoes!
I'm interested in ....
1. White thing under chin in open blue jacket, maybe looking out at the seam of the jacket also (front, middle).
2. Brand of his shoes, the style. (They might be dark with a light stripe on it, NOT Nike probably.)

I would like to know the size of the shoes, and whether that size correlated with the “traces” or “steps” leading to the CS. Both the size/style and the distance between the steps - would in be within the framework of the height of the BG that we know of (5’6”-5’10”), or not?

 

[Ravenmoon]

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My thoughts go back to the statement that "He may appear younger than his true age." It feels like this could be alluding to the fact that it was unknown who was behind the AS profile. Or- maybe it was actually known and this was a way to say to the killer- "We know it is not the person depicted on these profiles."

If only LE would clarify certain things to the public- even without "showing their hand."

There must be things that could be released to bring attention to aspects of the crime that could prove to be a help nailing down the perpetrator.

AMOO MOO JMO