Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[FrostedGlass]

The "Twist" according to Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby:

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

Q. Can you elaborate about your reference to this case as having a “twist” that you have never seen before? Is it something more than Libby audio recording and videotaping their assailant(s)?

A. One of the main “twists” is that Carroll County has had a high success rate of finding missing persons. For this case to have the initial outcome was nothing we, even as seasoned veterans, expected.

 

[minazoe]

he seems to not have a grasp on what a twist actually is. mOO

 

[iamnotagolem]

he seems to not have a grasp on what a twist actually is. mOO

Right? Usually we solve cases but now we’re gonna throw in a plot twist…wait for it….this time we don’t.

 

[MistyWaters]

he seems to not have a grasp on what a twist actually is. mOO

I think it’s just that there’s multiple meanings to the word, maybe it us who are looking for something that’s just not there? This definition fits what the Sheriff stated IMO……they weren’t lost as was initially presumed, the twist was they were murdered.

Dictionary definition -
twist
a change in the way in which something happens:
The story took a surprise twist today with mediareports that the doctor had resigned.
The incident was the latest twist in the continuingsaga of fraud and high scandal in banks and stockbrokerages.
But for a cruel twist of fate/fortune, he could now be running his own business.
There's an unexpected twist in/to the plot towards the end of the film.

 

[ShamelessObserver]

LE should at least clarify if the younger looking sketch is STILL the man they’re looking for.

I think a lot of people now will just assume that the younger sketch is a sketch of the catfish model, who is now a cop....

 

[StarryStarryNight]

LE should at least clarify if the younger looking sketch is STILL the man they’re looking for.

I think a lot of people now will just assume that the younger sketch is a sketch of the catfish model, who is now a cop....

There is a whole lot LE needs to clarify.
Our conversations here are less about what they’ve released and more about what LE meant when they said something.

 

[sandy_80]

if its true they will air an old interview with this kak on the HLN special ...then if its allowed this will certify he has nothing to do with the investigation

 

[TL4S]

LE should at least clarify if the younger looking sketch is STILL the man they’re looking for.

I think a lot of people now will just assume that the younger sketch is a sketch of the catfish model, who is now a cop....

According to the ISP and FBI flyers, the young BG sketch is still relevant.

Delphi Homicide Investigation

UNKNOWN SUSPECT — FBI

I understand why so many people suspect the YBG sketch as the a-shots model, after the whole KAK situation, but the model was known about all the way back during the Peru search. For DC to state at the April 2019 PC that the sketch represents the killer and is the face of the man on the bridge would be completely false. I'm not sure it would help bring in good tips when clearly the man on the bridge was not the model. Jmo.

We're all frustrated, but we're asking LE to "clear up" stuff that's simply our own creations and speculations. They don't need to release details so the public can solve the case, they need to release details that would help those who were there, or who know the killer, to come forward. Imo, there is likely already enough out there for that. They might not have a lot of evidence to save for court, so they have to protect what they have. Idk...

 

[StarryStarryNight]

if its true they will air an old interview with this kak on the HLN special ...then if its allowed this will certify he has nothing to do with the investigation

But then if KAK has nothing to do with the Delphi investigation why would they spotlight him on a special about the Delphi murders?
That would be a waste of time I think and very misleading.
That being said, I hope it’s not KAK they’re interviewing. There are other folks I’d rather hear from.

 

[somequestions]

According to the ISP and FBI flyers, the young BG sketch is still relevant.

Delphi Homicide Investigation

UNKNOWN SUSPECT — FBI

I understand why so many people suspect the YBG sketch as the a-shots model, after the whole KAK situation, but the model was known about all the way back during the Peru search. For DC to state at the April 2019 PC that the sketch represents the killer and is the face of the man on the bridge would be completely false. I'm not sure it would help bring in good tips when clearly the man on the bridge was not the model. Jmo.

We're all frustrated, but we're asking LE to "clear up" stuff that's simply our own creations and speculations. They don't need to release details so the public can solve the case, they need to release details that would help those who were there, or who know the killer, to come forward. Imo, there is likely already enough out there for that. They might not have a lot of evidence to save for court, so they have to protect what they have. Idk...

In my opinion, police have opinions like we have opinions and while they have much more information, it is still their opinions about the information that guides the course of their investigation. I can only speculate based on the information released by LE. When police do not know who committed a crime, the only thing left to do is go with what they think is most likely or who is most likely. In this case, I think they are wrong.

 

[MistyWaters]

if its true they will air an old interview with this kak on the HLN special ...then if its allowed this will certify he has nothing to do with the investigation

But then if KAK has nothing to do with the Delphi investigation why would they spotlight him on a special about the Delphi murders?
That would be a waste of time I think and very misleading.
That being said, I hope it’s not KAK they’re interviewing. There are other folks I’d rather hear from.

Did this rumour come from FB by chance? The first question to ask is why HLN would have interviewed KAK to begin with and doesn’t it seem a little suspect they would they sit on an “old” interview regarding Delphi murders and not feature it until now?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Did this rumour come from FB by chance? The first question to ask is why HLN would have interviewed KAK to begin with and doesn’t it seem a little suspect they would they sit on an “old” interview regarding Delphi murders and not feature it until now?

I don’t know where the rumor about KAK being the interviewee came from but it makes no sense to me. We’ve only recently known about him and a possible connection to Delphi so why would anybody have an old interview with him.
It’s somebody else. I don’t know who but I’m sure I’ll be watching!

 

[Jay78]

I don’t know where the rumor about KAK being the interviewee came from but it makes no sense to me. We’ve only recently known about him and a possible connection to Delphi so why would anybody have an old interview with him.
It’s somebody else. I don’t know who but I’m sure I’ll be watching!

Actually, Barbara MacDonald is known to have interviewed KAK. It is public knowledge that it was subpoenaed for his upcoming trial....

 

[MistyWaters]

Actually, Barbara MacDonald is known to have interviewed KAK. It is public knowledge that it was subpoenaed for his upcoming trial....

What’s the source of this? You know, WS TOS. And if it’s upcoming trial evidence connected to those existing charges which aren’t related to Delphi murders at all, I’d be very sceptical HLN is going to release it in advance.

 

[AC4RD]

We're all frustrated, but we're asking LE to "clear up" stuff that's simply our own creations and speculations. They don't need to release details so the public can solve the case, they need to release details that would help those who were there, or who know the killer, to come forward. Imo, there is likely already enough out there for that. They might not have a lot of evidence to save for court, so they have to protect what they have. Idk...

@TL4S, that sound you are hearing is my applause. This ought to be a "sticky" IMO. Well said, and bravo says I!

 

[TL4S]

@TL4S, that sound you are hearing is my applause. This ought to be a "sticky" IMO. Well said, and bravo says I!

Thank you. I may be way off the mark with my assessment, but I always consider what TL said in...I think one of the HLN DTH podcasts? He said the COD wouldn't help anyone identify him, and they don't want to release the COD because that would let the killer know LE's theory about what happened is correct. Such an odd thing to say, imo. So it's not as easy as, oh, he shot them, or whatever. There is possibly something very telling in the evidence they have, and if releasing the COD or any other relevant details would be damaging to their case against this child murderer, by all means, keep it under wraps.

 

[Falcon500]

I happened to hear a radio interview today with Chief Deputy Mike Thomas of the Carroll County, Indiana Sheriffs Department. The chief deputy is usually responsible for the day to day operations of a sheriffs department but in the case of Carroll County I’m not so sure that’s the case.

it seems that Sheriff Tobe Leazenby is term limited and can’t run for re-election. The candidates to take his position are Mike Thomas, Tony Leggett, and some other guy. Three guys from the same department running against each other. All are Republicans and whoever wins the primary on May 3rd will be the new sherif. Tony Leggett also happens to be one of the two or three detectives assigned to the case.

Carroll County has a total of thirteen sworn officers. The sheriff, the chief deputy, two detectives, and nine patrol officers. That’s is not enough manpower to cover the county 24 hours a day. They must have some agreement with the state police to cover the remaining time.

Deputy Thomas claimed to not know who is investigating the case whether it be his department or the state police. He claimed to have never been invited into the “inner circle”. On the night that the girls were missing he claimed to not know anything about it and didn’t learn of the situation until he came to work the next morning. He also intimated that the weak spot on the department was the lack of skilled interviewers and if elected he was going to find some! He explained that Superintendent Carter has been the face of the investigation because “they are used to that sort of thing”. (Appearing before the press).

Before today I had thought that they had just not gotten the right break (I’ll refer you to my story of five years ago about cases that are meant to be solved). All of my thoughts have changed. Mike Thomas might be the best patrol officer in all of Indiana but the key to this case is that Carroll County is way over their heads in this one and I can’t figure out how the state police didn’t walk in and take the case from them.

 

[sandy_80]

Actually, Barbara MacDonald is known to have interviewed KAK. It is public knowledge that it was subpoenaed for his upcoming trial....

yes..and there is no one else to think off when she says ( an interview ppl were waiting to see ) ..he could have been interviewed straight after being searched and cleared in the early days..
the search in peru wasn't a secret to the media..its just he wasn't named publicly

 

[Charlot123]

According to the ISP and FBI flyers, the young BG sketch is still relevant.

Delphi Homicide Investigation

UNKNOWN SUSPECT — FBI

I understand why so many people suspect the YBG sketch as the a-shots model, after the whole KAK situation, but the model was known about all the way back during the Peru search. For DC to state at the April 2019 PC that the sketch represents the killer and is the face of the man on the bridge would be completely false. I'm not sure it would help bring in good tips when clearly the man on the bridge was not the model. Jmo.

We're all frustrated, but we're asking LE to "clear up" stuff that's simply our own creations and speculations. They don't need to release details so the public can solve the case, they need to release details that would help those who were there, or who know the killer, to come forward. Imo, there is likely already enough out there for that. They might not have a lot of evidence to save for court, so they have to protect what they have. Idk...

What is really interesting on the sketch is a hint at amblyopia or at least certain problem with vision. (To me, it looks as poorly corrected strabismus, but maybe something else). Not an uncommon trait, but definitely, not something random. No sketcher would put it “just because”; it is a trait. And if so, it sort of rules out lots of other pois as they don’t have it.

Lots of things to think about

 

[MistyWaters]

yes..and there is no one else to think off when she says ( an interview ppl were waiting to see ) ..he could have been interviewed straight after being searched and cleared in the early days..
the search in peru wasn't a secret to the media..its just he wasn't named publicly

Are you kidding me, the unverified and no-source information that HLN is going to feature an old interview of KAK is only a wild guess because BM said something about it being an early interview that people are waiting to see and so this rumour sprang from that?

If so, prepare to be disappointed.

JMO