Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[sandy_80]

Are you kidding me, the unverified and no-source information that HLN is going to feature an old interview of KAK is only a wild guess because BM said something about it being an early interview that people are waiting to see and so this rumour sprang from that?

If so, prepare to be disappointed.

JMO

I am not even interested ..not in the podcast or anything kak related..I was just talking about a possibility which I have seen a lot of buzz about ..that you will know in 2 days...no big deal

 

[MistyWaters]

I am not even interested ..not in the podcast or anything kak related..I was just talking about a possibility which I have seen a lot of buzz about ..that you will know in 2 days...no big deal

Right, because it’s wishful thinking that HLN is going to break this case wide open with a one hour 5th anniversary TV special.

 

[stattlich1]

Right, because it’s wishful thinking that HLN is going to break this case wide open with a one hour 5th anniversary TV special.

I am in full agreement. I never get excited about a podcast, rarely tune in.

In this case, I say, give me an arrest, or nothing at all.

 

[Prime8]

if its true they will air an old interview with this kak on the HLN special ...then if its allowed this will certify he has nothing to do with the investigation

I think regardless of if he's involved, LE/prosecutors won't want the interview aired pending the trial.

The host seems to be personally invested in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply wanted to do an anniversary special. Especially if LE isn't planning on any meaningful update.

 

[carbuff]

LE can't stop them from airing the interview if they want to. They can ask them not to, but they don't have the authority to censor the press.

 

[Prime8]

LE can't stop them from airing the interview if they want to. They can ask them not to, but they don't have the authority to censor the press.

Yes, that's why I said "want" instead of "order" or "not allow". My guess is if HLN wants to keep any sort of LE access, or even family access (depending on how they feel), they won't share it.

 

[Prime8]

I'm re-watching HLN series from last year. I thought this was interesting, since it has been a recent topic- ending the official search [edit: the first night]. After it was officially called off, LE got cell-phone ping information at 2:30am and they called the fire department to bring out some better lighting to find the phone. They went out searching but didn't find anything.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I'm re-watching HLN series from last year. I thought this was interesting, since it has been a recent topic- ending the official search. After it was officially called off, LE got cell-phone ping information at 2:30am and they called the fire department to bring out some better lighting to find the phone. They went out searching but didn't find anything.

Didn’t the poster who claims to be a Detective on here say that the search was not called off? That cops, the fire dept. and the public were searching through the night? I can’t recall his name but he was adamant about it. And why didn’t LE tell the FD to bring in the best and brightest lights they had when they first started searching?

 

[Yvettea]

I'm re-watching HLN series from last year. I thought this was interesting, since it has been a recent topic- ending the official search. After it was officially called off, LE got cell-phone ping information at 2:30am and they called the fire department to bring out some better lighting to find the phone. They went out searching but didn't find anything.

Interesting since MP said in an interview done after dark that the phone was pinging all over town. Later it was explained that the cell phone was pinging on 3 towers all about equidistant from the scene. The phone had apparently been at/near the scene of the crime the whole time. It was difficult to conceive of it as a crime at the start. MOO

ETA: My recollection, the official search was called off until morning.

 

[Prime8]

Interesting since MP said in an interview done after dark that the phone was pinging all over town. Later it was explained that the cell phone was pinging on 3 towers all about equidistant from the scene. The phone had apparently been at/near the scene of the crime the whole time. It was difficult to conceive of it as a crime at the start. MOO

ETA: My recollection, the official search was called off until morning.

MP comments could have been recounting hours earlier than 2:30a. But on the doc the info came directly from LE and the Fire chief. I always take family recollections of details with a grain of salt, there's so much panic followed but horrendous trauma, that can alter some memories.

Didn’t the poster who claims to be a Detective on here say that the search was not called off? That cops, the fire dept. and the public were searching through the night? I can’t recall his name but he was adamant about it. And why didn’t LE tell the FD to bring in the best and brightest lights they had when they first started searching?

The official search was called off but many people, including professionals did remain. "Official" in this case likely means if you're a professional, you are allowed to go home and for work safety purposes, it was "officially" called off. As for the lights, we know nothing about the types of lights they used and their functionality or when and how they were used.

 

[Kittybunny]

I happened to hear a radio interview today with Chief Deputy Mike Thomas of the Carroll County, Indiana Sheriffs Department. The chief deputy is usually responsible for the day to day operations of a sheriffs department but in the case of Carroll County I’m not so sure that’s the case.

it seems that Sheriff Tobe Leazenby is term limited and can’t run for re-election. The candidates to take his position are Mike Thomas, Tony Leggett, and some other guy. Three guys from the same department running against each other. All are Republicans and whoever wins the primary on May 3rd will be the new sherif. Tony Leggett also happens to be one of the two or three detectives assigned to the case.

Carroll County has a total of thirteen sworn officers. The sheriff, the chief deputy, two detectives, and nine patrol officers. That’s is not enough manpower to cover the county 24 hours a day. They must have some agreement with the state police to cover the remaining time.

Deputy Thomas claimed to not know who is investigating the case whether it be his department or the state police. He claimed to have never been invited into the “inner circle”. On the night that the girls were missing he claimed to not know anything about it and didn’t learn of the situation until he came to work the next morning. He also intimated that the weak spot on the department was the lack of skilled interviewers and if elected he was going to find some! He explained that Superintendent Carter has been the face of the investigation because “they are used to that sort of thing”. (Appearing before the press).

Before today I had thought that they had just not gotten the right break (I’ll refer you to my story of five years ago about cases that are meant to be solved). All of my thoughts have changed. Mike Thomas might be the best patrol officer in all of Indiana but the key to this case is that Carroll County is way over their heads in this one and I can’t figure out how the state police didn’t walk in and take the case from them.

Thank you so much for sharing this information. This is the first thing in a while that's giving me a glimmer of hope. New leadership, new perspectives can make such a huge difference in solving a case. I've been one who has been somewhat critical of law-enforcement in this case, while still recognizing the challenges that they face even if they were absolutely competent. For example an outdoor scene with many searchers in a public place creates a number of evidence challenges I imagine. But there are also many times when I have just scratched my head at what comes out of law-enforcement and spokespeoples mouths, like huh? And then the backtracking that they have to do to clear things up. And while they certainly have no obligation to communicate details with the public or keep us happy by dropping clues or whatever, miscommunication and confusion when they do share information makes one wonder what other mistakes and confusion there are on the other side - internally, where there's no scrutiny from the public or media. What has been missed? what has been misconstrued?

The notion that Carroll County might not have great interview skills is really an interesting one, because I believe that we've read that in many cases law enforcement speaks to the perpetrator early in the case but for whatever reasons they do not pursue. Or take their story at face value. I'm looking at you DN. Haha. Kidding. Sort of.

Anyhoo I wonder if state police or FBI help interview suspects, or does that only occur when they have pretty strong evidence against one particular person of interest? Has the help from state police or FBI been kept to evidence processing and data analysis rather than profiling and interviews?

Anyway thank you again for sharing, in my opinion change is always a positive thing.

 

[Prime8]

I happened to hear a radio interview today with Chief Deputy Mike Thomas of the Carroll County, Indiana Sheriffs Department. The chief deputy is usually responsible for the day to day operations of a sheriffs department but in the case of Carroll County I’m not so sure that’s the case.

it seems that Sheriff Tobe Leazenby is term limited and can’t run for re-election. The candidates to take his position are Mike Thomas, Tony Leggett, and some other guy. Three guys from the same department running against each other. All are Republicans and whoever wins the primary on May 3rd will be the new sherif. Tony Leggett also happens to be one of the two or three detectives assigned to the case.

Carroll County has a total of thirteen sworn officers. The sheriff, the chief deputy, two detectives, and nine patrol officers. That’s is not enough manpower to cover the county 24 hours a day. They must have some agreement with the state police to cover the remaining time.

Deputy Thomas claimed to not know who is investigating the case whether it be his department or the state police. He claimed to have never been invited into the “inner circle”. On the night that the girls were missing he claimed to not know anything about it and didn’t learn of the situation until he came to work the next morning. He also intimated that the weak spot on the department was the lack of skilled interviewers and if elected he was going to find some! He explained that Superintendent Carter has been the face of the investigation because “they are used to that sort of thing”. (Appearing before the press).

Before today I had thought that they had just not gotten the right break (I’ll refer you to my story of five years ago about cases that are meant to be solved). All of my thoughts have changed. Mike Thomas might be the best patrol officer in all of Indiana but the key to this case is that Carroll County is way over their heads in this one and I can’t figure out how the state police didn’t walk in and take the case from them.

So to translate, Mike Thomas, who is running for that position, is basically saying if he's elected, the investigation will improve/drop out of incompetent hands. It's hard to tell if he's being honest or just playing politics.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Didn’t the poster who claims to be a Detective on here say that the search was not called off? That cops, the fire dept. and the public were searching through the night? I can’t recall his name but he was adamant about it. And why didn’t LE tell the FD to bring in the best and brightest lights they had when they first started searching?

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Falcon 500 is a real Detective.

 

[magnetic]

possibly they tried to run away across the greek is one way of looking at it...the show was found somewhere else ...or he wanted a very secluded spot

That's what I am thinking too, the girls probably made a run for it and ran into the creek.

 

[magnetic]

I would think more people would be outraged by the brutal murder of Maria Del Scorro Maldonado Ambriz. What in the world is going on here?

Crimes like this have now become routine. This is the new America.

 

[Spartygirl]

Didn’t the poster who claims to be a Detective on here say that the search was not called off? That cops, the fire dept. and the public were searching through the night? I can’t recall his name but he was adamant about it. And why didn’t LE tell the FD to bring in the best and brightest lights they had when they first started searching?

The search was called off from LE/firefighters but some family and friends kept searching IIRC.
11:45 p.m.
The search was called off just before midnight. Family members continued to scour the area searching for Libby & Abby.

At this point in time, Sheriff Laezenby said they had no reason to believe that the girls were in imminent danger and crews would resume their search in the morning.""
DELPHI TIMELINE: The search for Libby & Abby's killer (wrtv.com)

 

[Spartygirl]

So to translate, Mike Thomas, who is running for that position, is basically saying if he's elected, the investigation will improve/drop out of incompetent hands. It's hard to tell if he's being honest or just playing politics.

TRUE!!
And then add in all the political and judicial changes in the last 5 yrs with names involved in this investigation.
YIKES.
JMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

The search was called off from LE/firefighters but some family and friends kept searching IIRC.
11:45 p.m.
The search was called off just before midnight. Family members continued to scour the area searching for Libby & Abby.

At this point in time, Sheriff Laezenby said they had no reason to believe that the girls were in imminent danger and crews would resume their search in the morning.""
DELPHI TIMELINE: The search for Libby & Abby's killer (wrtv.com)

Thank you!

 

[Marzipan]

Did this rumour come from FB by chance? The first question to ask is why HLN would have interviewed KAK to begin with and doesn’t it seem a little suspect they would they sit on an “old” interview regarding Delphi murders and not feature it until now?

It’s what I would do if I were the HLN decision maker and knew there was little new but the anniversary was coming up and better ratings/profits would be guaranteed for that timing than some random day after the KAK info came out.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

@TL4S, that sound you are hearing is my applause. This ought to be a "sticky" IMO. Well said, and bravo says I!

One of my posts was deleted because I gave my detailed opinion on these murders. In doing so I named the person I believe is highly a likely suspect. While I was aware LE hadn't named him an official suspect, to my knowledge he's still on their radar and hasn't been CLEARED as a poi. But it is a fact that DG was instrumental in bringing down some bad goings on. My point is at the press conference when they made reference to the "shack" I believe they were talking straight to the one particular person I named. Here's why...the word "shack" was in many headlines when Nicole Bowen was murdered on account that's where her body was found. In closing this is why I think the killings were motivated by revenge. And you can't tell me that LE hasn't thought of all this. It would explain the frustration of Carter at the press conference.