Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[Tiff23fr]

https://twitter.com/HLNTV/status/1492152407979134980

HLN just posted this tweet about the upcoming special tomorrow night and in it Barbara McDonald says about the jailhouse interview with KAK:

"He says investigators have told him that he was the last person to communicate with Libby before her murder"

So not only did KAK actually communicate with Libby, but he was the last person to do so (aside from Abby I guess?). Not sure what to make of that, if they are only talking about social media or what. Very interested in what exactly that means and when specifically he supposedly last communicated with Libby.

This is interesting. IMO it lends reason to the search warrant of his home and devices early on. It sounds like now they may be left to confirming without a doubt who was using communicating behind the profile during this final communication.
I hate to speculate the communication the profile had, but hopefully it is something strong enough to point to intent to meet up if this is indeed the path they feel holds the answers.

 

[Sillybilly]

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There will be a 1 hour special with guests including Paul Holes, the investigator from the Golden State Killer case, and Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator. They will be discussing important information about the Delphi case that is now 5 years old.

After the CNN special is over Saturday night, Tricia will go live on her Websleuths podcast to discuss the CNN special. Please join her to discuss the latest news.

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[Silver_produce0]

The tweet is interesting. The anthony_shots case has driven up the total tips to 70,000. (That is an unbelievable number for tips in a case.) And KAK, in his interview, claims LE told him that he was the last person to communicate with Liberty before the murders.

RSBM

WOW. I started following this case in May 2020 after becoming bored during quarantine. I think we were at 50k tips. I wonder how many were about shots

 

[dotr]

Lengthy article . rbbm.
Feb 11 2022

Delphi Murder updates: Everything we know five years later (wrtv.com)
''Are There Any Suspects?
Yes and no.
Indiana State Police say they have a suspect, but they have no idea who he is.''
''In real life, Carter says things aren’t always as they appear, detectives don’t reveal their entire hand when they’re investigating a case, and a case isn’t cold just because there hasn’t been an arrest.
“I’m not going to ask you or your viewers to understand that. I don’t want them to understand evil or to live with that each and every day,” Carter said during that same interview. “But I think people come to that conclusion based on time, not necessarily based on what we know and what we’ve even shared with everybody.”

''They also say they now believe that the second sketch is a more accurate depiction of the suspect, although the actual suspect may likely be a mix between both sketches.

"The sketch isn’t a photograph. A sketch is a sketch and that’s really important for everybody to understand," Carter said. "I believe that the individual, when we catch him, it will be a combination of those two.”

Unknown Vehicle

During the press conference in April 2019, Indiana State Police also requested the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked near the Monon High Bridge on the day Libby and Abby went missing.

Carter says a vehicle was parked at the old CPS/DCS Welfare building in Delphi on the east side of County Road 300 North, next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway between noon and 5 p.m. February 14, 2017. No details about that vehicle were released, including make and model, color or license plate number.

“We believe you are hiding in plain sight,” Carter said. “For more than two years…. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know – that one day, you will.”

So far, no additional information has been released and Indiana State Police have still not identified the vehicle or a possible person who may have been driving it.''

''Every one of those tips and potential leads that are called in and emailed to the Delphi tip lines — more than 40,000 so far — is vetted by investigators.
''Every tip received is entered into an FBI system called “Pyramid.” That system stores information like names, descriptions and motives so it can be cross-referenced with other tips locally and across the country to find any possible connections.''

 

[Tiff23fr]

There will be much to watch this weekend. There is a snippet video in the tweet below.

ABC News Nightline is taking a look at the Delphi murders that killed Libby German and Abigail Williams nearly five years ago. #DelphiMurders The episode airs Saturday morning at 12:37 am EST.

https://twitter.com/wrtv/status/1492184558548230150?s=20&t=QQBVO1MvNmkGHXkAf1sT5A

 

[margarita25]

Good Morning America/video: 2/10/22
Indiana police issues warning to killer still at large for murder of Delphi teens
The Indiana state police are issuing a new warning to the culprit responsible for the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German on a hiking trail nearly five years ago.
Indiana police issues warning to killer still at large for murder of Delphi teens

.05: Image from video of police rolling crime scene tape, yellow “NO SHOOTING” sign can be seen, then goes to overhead view of searchers in creek

GMA Host says:

“Police say they may be closing in on the killer”, “what the families are saying now”

Reporter Amy says:

- ISP says “they still receive 25-30 tips per week from all over the world and this case is far from cold”

—

Carter: “My resolve to catch him is as strong now as it was day 1. But difference between day 1 and now is we know about you” (smile). Confidently “A lot about you”, nods with resolve. “Today could be the day. Sleep Well.”

DC says Anthony Shots profile has “generated a tremendous number of leads for us, and that’s as far as I can go.”

—

The Pattys comment.

Becky Patty says “If you knew Libby, she always had her phone, attached to her hip, all the time.”

Teens knew something wasn’t right.

Mike Patty, on Libby recording the suspect:

“Something inside of me just says she was going to film that, come home and say look at this guy, he was acting really weird.”

Anna Williams reflects on what her daughter would be like today:

“They’d be finishing up their freshman year in college. It’s hard to believe. She would have turned into a really good young lady.”

Reporter: The families desperate for the one tip that will bring them closure:

Anna Williams continues:”It’s probably the smallest thing, but it’s that one small thing that we’re missing. And that’s what we keep hoping for, that that one small thing will come to light and that this will be over.

—

Mike Patty:

“This guy could strike agin, it could be your kids. It happened to our family. I don’t want it to happen to anybody else, this is not something that anyone should have to go through.”

Reporter: Carter has resolved to forge ahead until the killer is found, hopefully he will soon be able to give the families some closure and take a dangerous man off the streets.

 

[swedeheart]

Catfishing sex offender who was 'the last so speak to' Delphi murder victims denies killing them | Daily Mail Online

 

[AC4RD]

well they ruled out DN...RL etc..so in this case they do publicly rule out poi's..mOO

Just MHO but there's a difference between "is not considered a suspect" and "has been ruled out." There is no advantage for LE ever to "rule someone out"; it could not help them and could possibly hurt them if difference evidence is developed afterward.

 

[margarita25]

Ok, I just watched the Good Morning America video (transcription above).

My opinion is Carter and his comments are confident. The whole “we know a lot about you” is very interesting. I don’t know what to make of it.

What does he know about BG? More so, what could he know about BG?

* I’m going to think about this for a while. What could he know about him.

There could be interpretations made from the crime scene, and COD. Perhaps what he is talking about is analysis from BAU.

So, does what they “know” go beyond this? It is more concrete?

*none of this is new and something that has not been discussed here.

Thinking, could it also indicate a possible link to another unsolved case?

Yeah I don’t know if they have a certain person in mind or not. If I had to guess, I’d say they don’t, but idk. That’s my final answer.

 

[margarita25]

Catfishing sex offender who was 'the last so speak to' Delphi murder victims denies killing them | Daily Mail Online

“In a jailhouse interview with HLN that will air on Saturday as part of its Delphi murder investigation special, Kline says police told him he was the last person to speak with the girls.”

[...]

“Speaking from jail, Kline told HLN that he has 'no idea' why police are now linking him to the murders, but then said: 'I think it's because they said I was the last person to talk to her, is what they've told me.'

He maintained that he did not have anything to do with the killings.

'One hundred percent not,' he said when asked if he was the man Libby took a photo of on the bridge.”

—

Kegan Kline, 27, is currently in jail on separate child charges but he was free on February 14, 2017, when the girls were murdered

 

[TheVisual]

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There will be a 1 hour special with guests including Paul Holes, the investigator from the Golden State Killer case, and Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator. They will be discussing important information about the Delphi case that is now 5 years old.

After the CNN special is over Saturday night, Tricia will go live on her Websleuths podcast to discuss the CNN special. Please join her to discuss the latest news.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSiqBuCJlK1uQqE_nV6ehfQ

But that's the same day and time as the HLN broadcast.

 

[Yemelyan]

Just MHO but there's a difference between "is not considered a suspect" and "has been ruled out." There is no advantage for LE ever to "rule someone out"; it could not help them and could possibly hurt them if difference evidence is developed afterward.

Correct.

This article published today addresses it:

In the past five years there have been multiple names connected to the Delphi investigation and at least two have been named a "person of interest" in the case. State police say they do not "clear" suspects while the investigation is open, but after looking into each person investigators have "moved on" in the case without ever naming them as a suspect.

Source: https://www.wrtv.com/news/delphi/th...-know-five-years-after-abby-libby-were-killed

So now we know: though no one has been cleared and no one will be cleared while the investigation is open, investigators have moved on from each of the people who have been publicly linked to the case as potential suspects. So it sounds like JBC and all the names that were linked in the media previous to this have been investigated and no connections have been found.

 

[margarita25]

Lengthy article . rbbm.
Feb 11 2022

Delphi Murder updates: Everything we know five years later (wrtv.com)
''Are There Any Suspects?
Yes and no.
Indiana State Police say they have a suspect, but they have no idea who he is.''
''In real life, Carter says things aren’t always as they appear, detectives don’t reveal their entire hand when they’re investigating a case, and a case isn’t cold just because there hasn’t been an arrest.
“I’m not going to ask you or your viewers to understand that. I don’t want them to understand evil or to live with that each and every day,” Carter said during that same interview. “But I think people come to that conclusion based on time, not necessarily based on what we know and what we’ve even shared with everybody.”

''They also say they now believe that the second sketch is a more accurate depiction of the suspect, although the actual suspect may likely be a mix between both sketches.

"The sketch isn’t a photograph. A sketch is a sketch and that’s really important for everybody to understand," Carter said. "I believe that the individual, when we catch him, it will be a combination of those two.”

Unknown Vehicle

During the press conference in April 2019, Indiana State Police also requested the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked near the Monon High Bridge on the day Libby and Abby went missing.

Carter says a vehicle was parked at the old CPS/DCS Welfare building in Delphi on the east side of County Road 300 North, next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway between noon and 5 p.m. February 14, 2017. No details about that vehicle were released, including make and model, color or license plate number.

“We believe you are hiding in plain sight,” Carter said. “For more than two years…. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know – that one day, you will.”

So far, no additional information has been released and Indiana State Police have still not identified the vehicle or a possible person who may have been driving it.''

''Every one of those tips and potential leads that are called in and emailed to the Delphi tip lines — more than 40,000 so far — is vetted by investigators.
''Every tip received is entered into an FBI system called “Pyramid.” That system stores information like names, descriptions and motives so it can be cross-referenced with other tips locally and across the country to find any possible connections.''

Wait,

“Are There Any Suspects?

Yes and no.

Indiana State Police say they have a suspect, but they have no idea who he is.”

*is this media interpretation, or a direct quote??

More from the above article, same question as above/BBM:

“State police have said that unknown man is responsible for Libby and Abby's death — but despite the evidence left behind by Libby and two sketches from potential witnesses in the area, investigators have yet to find the man responsible for their murders.”

[...]

BBM:

“In the past five years there have been multiple names connected to the Delphi investigation and at least two have been named a "person of interest" in the case. State police say they do not "clear" suspects while the investigation is open, but after looking into each person investigators have "moved on" in the case without ever naming them as a suspect.”

 

[JnRyan]

Did KAK have any associates in his, um, enterprise?

I wouldn't doubt he did, but I would really love to know. If they haven't gone underground.

 

[minazoe]

Ok, I just watched the Good Morning America video (transcription above).

My opinion is Carter and his comments are confident. The whole “we know a lot about you” is very interesting. I don’t know what to make of it.

What does he know about BG? More so, what could he know about BG?

* I’m going to think about this for a while. What could he know about him.

There could be interpretations made from the crime scene, and COD. Perhaps what he is talking about is analysis from BAU.

So, does what they “know” go beyond this? It is more concrete?

*none of this is new and something that has not been discussed here.

Thinking, could it also indicate a possible link to another unsolved case?

Yeah I don’t know if they have a certain person in mind or not. If I had to guess, I’d say they don’t, but idk. That’s my final answer.

I thought the same thing..what could they know?

 

[carbuff]

I've seen that phrasing used at other times in other cases. I seem to recall one LE spokesperson saying something to the effect of "We know everything about him but his name and address" (was that Carter earlier in this case?)

They could have DNA. They could have additional sightings. They could have multiple tips that place him at the scene, and they could know all about his vehicle and how he got away. They might know where he was living at the time (but doesn't live any more). They might even know what brand of cigarettes he smokes. But they have to attach a name before they can arrest him.

Heck, they might even know the name he was using at the time, but if it's not his real name, it might not help them much.

 

[margarita25]

All this makes me think they might not think JBC is their man.

Idk.

I will say I am impressed with the resolve and obvious indications that LE is still really trying very hard to solve this case. I think this is especially important because I hear about soooooo many cases on the “Vanished” podcast where it’s clear LE is not being as proactive as they should be, and the families have to go on the podcast to bring attention to their loved one’s cases, and sometimes even have to do the work for LE. Of course we also see many cases here where that does not apply, and LE is very proactive.

 

[JnRyan]

Indiana State Police say they have a suspect, but they have no idea who he is.”

I heard the same thing from the investigators on the "Yogurt Shop Murders" episode of "48 Hours". They said they have a suspect...they just don't know his name. That unsolved case is 30 years old this last Dec.

 

[minazoe]

I want them to say that JBC is not being looked at anymore.. not just others...I am willing to accept that maybe it is not him..but he's not off the hook for other possible murders..he is a killer and they need to fully investigate him while he sits with his life sentence, which he is trying to appeal it looks like.

 

[margarita25]

So, thinking about what LE has said before, and Anna Williams says about the “one small thing” that could break this open:

What could be an example of a “small thing” that could crack the case? In other words, in other cases, what has been a “small thing” that suddenly happened or was discovered which made all the difference?

Thinking out loud, maybe a family member or friend of the suspect notices something isn’t right with someone, maybe for something else, not necessarily about Abby’s and Libby’s case and reports it. Or a man is arrested for DV, or something else, maybe even pulled over for something and LE thinks something is suspicious, and upon arrest for something else, say drugs or an outstanding warrant, a connection is somehow made.

What else? I suppose a “small thing” could unfold a number of ways.

I remember in Noelle Paquette’s case they found the suspect bc he sustained injuries and went to the hospital. If something like that happened here I would think they would have found him by now, assuming he went somewhere locally.

As we’ve discussed, and I’m not sure this would necessary be small, but if they have the killer’s DNA, maybe a new or old rape kit or DNA from another cold case could be tested and linked - as we know there are a lot of untested rape kits and evidence in cold cases which maybe haven’t been run lately when DNA technology is better is today than it was before.

Or as in Kara Nichol’s case, a family member comes forward.

What else, maybe someone who knows something gets arrested for something else and decides to snitch. That’s something common that happens, I think.

Maybe he commits another crime and this time gets caught and is linked. I’m not sure I would classify that as “small”.

If he had a gun, maybe ballistics makes a match.

Or a new entry into CODIS or AFIS provides a hit, again wouldn’t say this is small.

Or DNA technology improves and picks up someone that couldn’t be picked up before.

Or someone makes a new entry/application for familial DNA via ancestry.com or other genealogical site, and this produces a hit.

Or someone who hasn’t seen the BG video before finally recognizes him. I saw this recently in another case - a pedo was teaching English in China and after being on the run for years, a student saw his wanted poster on the FBI’s website.

Or maybe a fresh set of eyes on the case notices something previously overlooked. Or a current investigator goes back and notices something, and pursues a new avenue.

Or maybe someone who is a prior victim of sexual assault who was previously scared to come forward before finally comes forward. This could be someone either suspected by the victim to be BG, or perhaps completely unaware this is BG, if that victim is even following or knows about this case.

How else could this be solved, the options are infinite - maybe a guy moves out and the new tenants find something suspicious in the house or grounds.

Yeah infinite possibles I think, which I guess is a good thing.

Overall, I would say that based on Carter’s confidence (unless he is bluffing), I am optimistic. And maybe they really do know a lot, and just need that one last piece.

I’m thinking again they do not have a specific suspect in mind, but who knows.