Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

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“In a jailhouse interview with HLN that will air on Saturday as part of its Delphi murder investigation special, Kline says police told him he was the last person to speak with the girls.”

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“Speaking from jail, Kline told HLN that he has 'no idea' why police are now linking him to the murders, but then said: 'I think it's because they said I was the last person to talk to her, is what they've told me.'

He maintained that he did not have anything to do with the killings.

'One hundred percent not,' he said when asked if he was the man Libby took a photo of on the bridge.”



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Kegan Kline, 27, is currently in jail on separate child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges but he was free on February 14, 2017, when the girls were murdered

How should this be understood? Did KAK actually speak to or write with Libby? Or was it the a_shots profile who spoke/wrote with Libby, and since KAK is the creator of this profile then LE is claiming it must have been him who was in contact with Libby. Is KAK admitting to have spoken with Libby that day or is he claiming that he did not?
 
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they are talking to bg still hoping to make that mistake like some moron killers ( like the monster who killed gay men in canada ..he was so smart he offered police help in the investigation )
however my guess is that BG doesn't watch GOOD MORNING AMERICA ...he is either living on the road or in the wilderness ..or is always on the move
 
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they are talking to bg still hoping to make that mistake like some moron killers ( like the monster who killed gay men in canada ..he was so smart he offered police help in the investigation )
however my guess is that BG doesn't watch GOOD MORNING AMERICA ...he is either living on the road or in the wilderness ..or is always on the move

Possibly, or he takes pride in his elusiveness and ability to evade thus far and is following the media just like us on the 5 year anniversary, proud of himself. One standard BAU element is a suspect being overly interested in a case.

Or maybe he is always worried, looking over his shoulder?

Who knows.

One thing I’ve always said from the beginning is that I think he is technically savvy based simply on what I would guess to be a strong interest in and involvement in child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and other dark activities, likely on the dark web. Which again brings us back to KAK and CSAM.

He might not be a social media person, per say, and/or maybe just has a general profile.

Or maybe he is technically savvy for work, if he has a day job. Maybe an office job (or not).

Yeah, in summary, five years later, I think the possibilities are still endless. As for the information we have publicly received, I don’t feel things are narrowed down, but that might not be the case for LE. Maybe they have narrowed some things down, ruled some things out or in.

So, still waiting, with nothing new to add.

I do wonder if anyone here, out of the xxxx posts in the five years and 142 threads has touched on the answer. Or out there beyond WS, in a social media group or something of the like. Maybe someone has, or a lot of people have, or nobody has. Considering the number of posts, I would venture to guess someone here has possibly touched on something, or maybe not. Perhaps the suspect is so out of the box nobody has touched on that final piece. I would find that hard to believe, but anything is possible.
 
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But that's the same day and time as the HLN broadcast.

Not sure where the confusion lies. The CNN special is at 8:00 pm Eastern. My post says "After the CNN special is over Saturday night, Tricia will go live on her Websleuths podcast to discuss the CNN special."
 
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So, thinking about what LE has said before, and Anna Williams says about the “one small thing” that could break this open:

What could be an example of a “small thing” that could crack the case? In other words, in other cases, what has been a “small thing” that suddenly happened or was discovered which made all the difference?

Thinking out loud, maybe a family member or friend of the suspect notices something isn’t right with someone, maybe for something else, not necessarily about Abby’s and Libby’s case and reports it. Or a man is arrested for DV, or something else, maybe even pulled over for something and LE thinks something is suspicious, and upon arrest for something else, say drugs or an outstanding warrant, a connection is somehow made.

What else? I suppose a “small thing” could unfold a number of ways.

As we’ve discussed, and I’m not sure this would necessary be small, but if they have the killer’s DNA, maybe a new or old rape kit or DNA from another cold case could be tested and linked - as we know there are a lot of untested rape kits and evidence in cold cases which maybe haven’t been run lately when DNA technology is better is today than it was before.

What else, maybe someone who knows something gets arrested for something else and decides to snitch. That’s something common that happens, I think.

Maybe he commits another crime and this time gets caught and is linked. I’m not sure I would classify that as “small”.

How else could this be solved, the options are infinite - maybe a guy moves out and the new tenants find something suspicious in the house or grounds.

Yeah infinite possibles I think, which I guess is a good thing.

Overall, I would say that based on Carter’s confidence (unless he is bluffing), I am optimistic. And maybe they really do know a lot, and just need that one last piece.

I’m thinking again they do not have a specific suspect in mind, but who knows.
I'm convinced that when LE announced L and A were found murdered, KAK, who had been communicating with L, freaked out because he knew LE would discover those communications and pin him as a suspect. Even if he was innocent of the murders, LE would be taking a hard look at him and likely uncovering his actual criminal activity. He was truly f'ed...

But something must have kept LE from putting out their public a_shots ask back in 2017, back when they originally knew about it. That ask took almost 5 years to come out. The fact that KAK was not charged until 2020 really makes me curious, as well. I don't think LE simply forgot about him, I think they were using him.

Maybe BG is on the outer fringes of KAK's contacts, like the father or brother of one of the girls he communicated with, or someone in the CSAM community, or whatever. Maybe just someone who was lurking online and nobody even knew he was watching. Maybe LE was hoping KAK would unwittingly lead them to BG. IDK.
 
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So, thinking about what LE has said before, and Anna Williams says about the “one small thing” that could break this open:

What could be an example of a “small thing” that could crack the case? In other words, in other cases, what has been a “small thing” that suddenly happened or was discovered which made all the difference?

Thinking out loud, maybe a family member or friend of the suspect notices something isn’t right with someone, maybe for something else, not necessarily about Abby’s and Libby’s case and reports it. Or a man is arrested for DV, or something else, maybe even pulled over for something and LE thinks something is suspicious, and upon arrest for something else, say drugs or an outstanding warrant, a connection is somehow made.

What else? I suppose a “small thing” could unfold a number of ways.

I remember in Noelle Paquette’s case they found the suspect bc he sustained injuries and went to the hospital. If something like that happened here I would think they would have found him by now, assuming he went somewhere locally.

As we’ve discussed, and I’m not sure this would necessary be small, but if they have the killer’s DNA, maybe a new or old rape kit or DNA from another cold case could be tested and linked - as we know there are a lot of untested rape kits and evidence in cold cases which maybe haven’t been run lately when DNA technology is better is today than it was before.

Or as in Kara Nichol’s case, a family member comes forward.

What else, maybe someone who knows something gets arrested for something else and decides to snitch. That’s something common that happens, I think.

Maybe he commits another crime and this time gets caught and is linked. I’m not sure I would classify that as “small”.

If he had a gun, maybe ballistics makes a match.

Or a new entry into CODIS or AFIS provides a hit, again wouldn’t say this is small.

Or DNA technology improves and picks up someone that couldn’t be picked up before.

Or someone makes a new entry/application for familial DNA via ancestry.com or other genealogical site, and this produces a hit.

Or someone who hasn’t seen the BG video before finally recognizes him. I saw this recently in another case - a pedo was teaching English in China and after being on the run for years, a student saw his wanted poster on the FBI’s website.

Or maybe a fresh set of eyes on the case notices something previously overlooked. Or a current investigator goes back and notices something, and pursues a new avenue.

Or maybe someone who is a prior victim of sexual assault who was previously scared to come forward before finally comes forward. This could be someone either suspected by the victim to be BG, or perhaps completely unaware this is BG, if that victim is even following or knows about this case.

How else could this be solved, the options are infinite - maybe a guy moves out and the new tenants find something suspicious in the house or grounds.

Yeah infinite possibles I think, which I guess is a good thing.

Overall, I would say that based on Carter’s confidence (unless he is bluffing), I am optimistic. And maybe they really do know a lot, and just need that one last piece.

I’m thinking again they do not have a specific suspect in mind, but who knows.
Margarita, i love seeing you posting in a thread because of your fabulous brainstorming.
 
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Not sure where the confusion lies. The CNN special is at 8:00 pm Eastern. My post says "After the CNN special is over Saturday night, Tricia will go live on her Websleuths podcast to discuss the CNN special."

I found out that HLN is owned by CNN. I misinterpreted thinking that Tricia was going to be on while the CNN/HLN special was going to be on. I don't want to miss either one.
 
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So, thinking about what LE has said before, and Anna Williams says about the “one small thing” that could break this open:

What could be an example of a “small thing” that could crack the case? In other words, in other cases, what has been a “small thing” that suddenly happened or was discovered which made all the difference?

Thinking out loud, maybe a family member or friend of the suspect notices something isn’t right with someone, maybe for something else, not necessarily about Abby’s and Libby’s case and reports it. Or a man is arrested for DV, or something else, maybe even pulled over for something and LE thinks something is suspicious, and upon arrest for something else, say drugs or an outstanding warrant, a connection is somehow made.

What else? I suppose a “small thing” could unfold a number of ways.

I remember in Noelle Paquette’s case they found the suspect bc he sustained injuries and went to the hospital. If something like that happened here I would think they would have found him by now, assuming he went somewhere locally.

As we’ve discussed, and I’m not sure this would necessary be small, but if they have the killer’s DNA, maybe a new or old rape kit or DNA from another cold case could be tested and linked - as we know there are a lot of untested rape kits and evidence in cold cases which maybe haven’t been run lately when DNA technology is better is today than it was before.

Or as in Kara Nichol’s case, a family member comes forward.

What else, maybe someone who knows something gets arrested for something else and decides to snitch. That’s something common that happens, I think.

Maybe he commits another crime and this time gets caught and is linked. I’m not sure I would classify that as “small”.

If he had a gun, maybe ballistics makes a match.

Or a new entry into CODIS or AFIS provides a hit, again wouldn’t say this is small.

Or DNA technology improves and picks up someone that couldn’t be picked up before.

Or someone makes a new entry/application for familial DNA via ancestry.com or other genealogical site, and this produces a hit.

Or someone who hasn’t seen the BG video before finally recognizes him. I saw this recently in another case - a pedo was teaching English in China and after being on the run for years, a student saw his wanted poster on the FBI’s website.

Or maybe a fresh set of eyes on the case notices something previously overlooked. Or a current investigator goes back and notices something, and pursues a new avenue.

Or maybe someone who is a prior victim of sexual assault who was previously scared to come forward before finally comes forward. This could be someone either suspected by the victim to be BG, or perhaps completely unaware this is BG, if that victim is even following or knows about this case.

How else could this be solved, the options are infinite - maybe a guy moves out and the new tenants find something suspicious in the house or grounds.

Yeah infinite possibles I think, which I guess is a good thing.

Overall, I would say that based on Carter’s confidence (unless he is bluffing), I am optimistic. And maybe they really do know a lot, and just need that one last piece.

I’m thinking again they do not have a specific suspect in mind, but who knows.
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Carter says a vehicle was parked at the old CPS/DCS Welfare building in Delphi on the east side of County Road 300 North, next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway between noon and 5 p.m. February 14, 2017. No details about that vehicle were released, including make and model, color or license plate number.
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Still the wrong day?
 
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Valentine's day is a special day for many, did the killer plan for and get a thrill by breaking so many hearts at once, did he enjoy watching all the girls crying? imo.

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5 years after Delphi murders, Abigail Williams & Libby German mourned
''DELPHI, Ind. — Teenagers collapsed with inconsolable tears into their parents’ arms five years ago outside of the Delphi Fire Station, where searchers regrouped after they learned that missing teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams were found dead.

That was Valentines Day 2017.''
 
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Valentine's day is a special day for many, did the killer plan for and get a thrill by breaking so many hearts at once, did he enjoy watching all the girls crying? imo.

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5 years after Delphi murders, Abigail Williams & Libby German mourned
''DELPHI, Ind. — Teenagers collapsed with inconsolable tears into their parents’ arms five years ago outside of the Delphi Fire Station, where searchers regrouped after they learned that missing teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams were found dead.

That was Valentines Day 2017.''

“There’s a reason for the seasons.”
- @Foxfire
 
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Good Morning America/video: 2/10/22
Indiana police issues warning to killer still at large for murder of Delphi teens
The Indiana state police are issuing a new warning to the culprit responsible for the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German on a hiking trail nearly five years ago.
Indiana police issues warning to killer still at large for murder of Delphi teens

.05: Image from video of police rolling crime scene tape, yellow “NO SHOOTING” sign can be seen, then goes to overhead view of searchers in creek

GMA Host says:

“Police say they may be closing in on the killer”, “what the families are saying now”

Reporter Amy says:

- ISP says “they still receive 25-30 tips per week from all over the world and this case is far from cold”



Carter: “My resolve to catch him is as strong now as it was day 1. But difference between day 1 and now is we know about you” (smile). Confidently “A lot about you”, nods with resolve. “Today could be the day. Sleep Well.”

DC says Anthony Shots profile has “generated a tremendous number of leads for us, and that’s as far as I can go.”



The Pattys comment.

Becky Patty says “If you knew Libby, she always had her phone, attached to her hip, all the time.”

Teens knew something wasn’t right.

Mike Patty, on Libby recording the suspect:

“Something inside of me just says she was going to film that, come home and say look at this guy, he was acting really weird.”

Anna Williams reflects on what her daughter would be like today:

“They’d be finishing up their freshman year in college. It’s hard to believe. She would have turned into a really good young lady.”

Reporter: The families desperate for the one tip that will bring them closure:

Anna Williams continues:”It’s probably the smallest thing, but it’s that one small thing that we’re missing. And that’s what we keep hoping for, that that one small thing will come to light and that this will be over.



Mike Patty:

“This guy could strike agin, it could be your kids. It happened to our family. I don’t want it to happen to anybody else, this is not something that anyone should have to go through.”

Reporter: Carter has resolved to forge ahead until the killer is found, hopefully he will soon be able to give the families some closure and take a dangerous man off the streets.
I thought that NO SHOOTING sign was interesting; we've talked about that quite a lot but never knew if shooting was common there. That clip also has a view of the area that I've never seen.
 
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In the last week or so:

Kara Nichols found, and her (presumed) murderer arrested, because someone who’d heard his confession 8 or 9 years ago decided to talk to the police. You never know....

Steven Edward Gooch, (Flathead County John Doe,) identified after DNA Doe Project did three years of genealogical research. This definitely gave me hope that LE might have definitive DNA, but just hadn’t been able to find the right person to match it to, yet.

By the way, my personal belief is that as a rule it’s much harder to identify a murderer through genetic genealogy, than it is to to identify an UID. My reasoning: if you start finding distant relatives of an UID, you might well find someone who remembers that “Uncle Jim said he was going to hitchhike to California, but he never phoned or wrote.”

On the other hand, if you’re looking for a murderer, I think you’re much less likely to find an obvious starting point.

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Did KAK have any associates in his, um, enterprise?

“Birds of a feather” imo.

Espeeeecially considering CSAM is involved.
 
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they are talking to bg still hoping to make that mistake like some moron killers ( like the monster who killed gay men in canada ..he was so smart he offered police help in the investigation )
however my guess is that BG doesn't watch GOOD MORNING AMERICA ...he is either living on the road or in the wilderness ..or is always on the move
I sometimes pictured him as in the comedian, Ron White's comedy show. Sitting in a bean bag chair, in his underwear and eating Cheeto's while watching all of this on his TV.
 
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"Birds of a feather" fits right in with you avatar!

Thanks for the giggle. These are really serious circumstances and I know we are all sick about the whole thing. Levity much appreciated. I think it goes without saying how much we all want this monster caught, and how much we want this for the girls and their families. And for LE, imagine how they must feel.

Sadly, back to the CSAM thing, which is what KAK is accused of, quick reference of charges
Jury trial date set in Kegan Kline's child exploitation case | wthr.com
December 14, 2021


“The pretrial conference that had been set for Kline's child exploitation case was moved from Dec. 16, 2021 to Feb. 24, 2022. The motion also set the final pre-trial conference date for April 21, 2022 and the start of the jury trial for May 9, 2022.

Kline is facing 30 charges related to child exploitation, child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and child solicitation.”

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“According to a probable cause affidavit out of Miami County, obtained by 13News, Kline created social media accounts with the username anthony_shots approximately six months prior to when investigators interviewed him in February of 2017. He allegedly said he created the account to contact both girls he knew and girls he did not. Court documents show Kline saying he would talk to girls, even if they were under the age of 16, and that he found them on Instagram and then told them to message him on Snapchat.”

So based on this, listed below are some notes on agencies normally involved in these cases - considering what we know about child porners they have to get it from somewhere and it’s a dark world. They like to share. And make their own. I’ll also say authorities don’t mess around with that, Considering KAK’s charges, I’m bringing forward what I've collected in prior years on the subject of CSAM and put in the WS data base - I’ve been meaning to update it but have been very busy, I especially wanted to note the current term for child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is now CSAM, so would like to update that title, will report mod. Here’s the link, I’ll bring the quotes over to give us something to bounce off on that. How KAK and the CSAM thing works together. / thanks everyone you all are bright as we remain in this collective journey five years later.

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“The Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force Program is a national network of 61 coordinated task forces representing over 4,500 federal, state, and local law enforcement and prosecutorial agencies. These agencies are continually engaged in proactive and reactive investigations and prosecutions of persons involved in child abuse and exploitation involving the Internet.”

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Violent Crimes Against Children/Online Predators — FBI

“Investigations
Child Sexual Exploitation Investigations

Child sexual exploitation investigations—many of them undercover—are conducted in FBI field offices by Child Exploitation Task Forces (CETFs), which combine the resources of the FBI with those of other federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies. Each of the FBI’s 56 field offices has worked investigations developed by the VCAC program, and many of our Legal Attaché offices have coordinated with appropriate foreign law enforcement partners on international investigations. Several of these investigations are also worked in coordination with Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Forces, which are funded by the Department of Justice. Furthermore, training is provided to all law enforcement involved in these investigations, including federal, state, local, and foreign law enforcement agencies.“

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Child abductions—child abductions, including domestic and international parental kidnapping
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Crimes against children / Crimes against children / Crime areas / Internet / Home - INTERPOL

“Crimes against children

Crimes against children tend to be local crimes with the vast majority taking place within the home or family circle. There are, however, a number of areas where there is an international angle:
Internet crimes: crimes against children are facilitated by the Internet, the increased use of which in recent years has led to a huge rise in offending. Not only can offenders distribute and access child abuse material more easily, but they can also come into direct contact with children – via chatrooms and social networking sites. We run a project in conjunction with Internet Access Service Providers to block access to child abuse material online. “

Access blocking / Crimes against children / Crime areas / Internet / Home - INTERPOL

“The "Worst of"-list
INTERPOL has taken responsibility for providing a list of domains containing child sexual abuse content to any (Internet) Access Service Provider (ASP) willing to participate in reducing the availability of such material on the Web.
INTERPOL's "Worst of"-list includes those domains that contain the most severe child sexual abuse material, according to defined criteria.“

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Child Exploitation Investigations Unit

“As part of ICE’s Cyber Crimes Center (C3), the CEIU uses cutting edge investigative techniques to bring justice to consumers, producers and distributors of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, as well as to predators engaging in child sex tourism. The efforts of the CEIU, in addition to ICE’s participation in national programs like Operation Predator and international partnerships like the Virtual Global Taskforce, have resulted in the rescue of thousands of children.“

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US DOJ
Report a Crime

Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and/or sexual exploitation of children
Call your local FBI field office or Legal Attache' Office
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
800-THE-LOST (800-843-5678)
For more information see the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section

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To help streamline the notification process, CPVA attempts to minimize any additional trauma by limiting unnecessary contact with victims through utilization of the centralized and automated DOJ Victim Notification System. Through this system, CPVA continues to ensure victims are advised of the rights and services they may be entitled to as a result of any federal cases opened against offenders found in possession of their images, regardless of how much time has passed since the original exploitation took place.

CPVA is a joint initiative and coordinates directly with law enforcement or victim/witness personnel at various federal agencies, U.S. Attorneys’ Offices, and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.“

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National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
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Feds take down “world’s largest dark web” child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 marketplace”


Feds take down the world's 'largest dark web child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 marketplace'



"The scale of this crime is eye-popping and sickening," John D. Fort, chief of IRS criminal investigations, said.

The site allegedly rewarded its members with "points" in relation to the amount of illegal material they uploaded, authorities announced Wednesday.

One user of the site, a former federal U.S. law enforcement agent, even downloaded more than 50 hours worth of videos

Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 Is Out of Control: 45 Million Images Exist Online And Things Are Getting Worse
September 30, 2019

Continued sharing of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 images 'worse than actual abuse'
Exploitation of kids online grows 'exponentially'
Sep 24, 2019

The Internet Is Overrun With Images of Child Sexual Abuse. What Went Wrong?
Sept. 28, 2019

“Last year tech companies reported over 45 million online photos and videos of children being sexually abused, more than double what they found the previous year.”
 
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How should this be understood? Did KAK actually speak to or write with Libby? Or was it the a_shots profile who spoke/wrote with Libby, and since KAK is the creator of this profile then LE is claiming it must have been him who was in contact with Libby. Is KAK admitting to have spoken with Libby that day or is he claiming that he did not?

Good question. We also have to remember that law enforcement is free to lie to suspects when they are interviewing them. So just because they told KAK that he was the last person to speak with Libby, does not mean that he really was.
 
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A little bit of the Transcript .
Quoted is DC:
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO ABBY AND LIBBY? IF YOU SAW THEM TODAY? AND I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY, I'M SORRY, BUT I HOPE YOU'RE PROUD OF US. FROM WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

So, if he could say something to Abby and Libby today, he would say that he hopes Abby and Libby are proud of the police investigators???

Not the answer I would have expected, but maybe its not an easy question to answer. Now if I could say one thing to Abby and Libby, I would say "do you know who killed you"? Not the answer he gave, which frankly seems to be seeking approval for the police investigation. Well, I'm sure it's a difficult profession, being a police officer, and I guess it will take a toll on the peace and sanity of those who have to investigate cases such as this. Just MOO, but it does seem to have taken a toll on DC, may he and all those damaged by this horrible crime find peace soon, and justice.
 
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