Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[DeDee]

He made false alibis. IMO, because he knew or suspected that he was connected somehow.

There does seem to be some confusion over his Vegas alibi. Whatever he initially gave to investigators must have been convincing enough that they dropped him as a POI.

Police told him that he was the last person to communicate with Libby. I don't know why this information outrages me but it does. They had to have that particular information at least within days of the crime. He and his father were interviewed on FEB 25, according to GHughes.

So, they've spent years checking out KAKs phone and the dropbox link only to now tell us they know who the killer is and an arrest could come within a year ... or before DCs term expires!

even if he was REALLY the last to interact with libby...this still can be have zero relation to the murder..they have to prove a catfishing angle
I still firmly believe its a planned attack and random victims..
a catfishing would def have a trace from that day...and has nothing to do with a reset days before cause the attack happened at a specific given time
creeps like KAK on the other hand will not usually try and meet any victim cause thats why they are using a model profile...to get what they want that way

The catfishing did leave an electronic trail that fateful day. That's how LEO found KAK.

And, KAK did meet with someone. It was one of Libby's younger friends. She is the one who gave Libby the a_shots acct information. *GHughes had the entire conversation of the friend with KAK in March, 2017. Ditto for Law Enforcement. They've had this information for years.

* @ appx the 1:05 mark

 

[FromGermany1]

In jail interview, ‘anthony_shots’ creator says he’s ‘100%’ not the Delphi killer

“It certainly seems that with video and the voice of the person and a crime happening in broad daylight in a small town that it would have been solved by now,” MacDonald said.

“But one of the things that investigators keep saying to me is that this is a very unique case. It's not like anything they've dealt with before. And it's complex,” MacDonald said. “So, I don't think we know the full scope right now of what all makes it unique and complex. They keep saying that one day they will be able to share that with us. And I certainly hope that we are getting closer to that, because, as you know, this has taken such a toll on the families and this community.”

 

[Ozoner]

even if he was REALLY the last to interact with libby...this still can be have zero relation to the murder..they have to prove a catfishing angle
I still firmly believe its a planned attack and random victims..
a catfishing would def have a trace from that day...and has nothing to do with a reset days before cause the attack happened at a specific given time
creeps like KAK on the other hand will not usually try and meet any victim cause thats why they are using a model profile...to get what they want that way

I agree. It's remotely possible that the girls were stalked online, <modsnip -opinion stated as fact>. Most likely BG targeted the location, not the particular victims. He may have been there all day waiting for an ideal victim. Abby and Libby may not have even been his ideal victims; they may be what he settled for as the day was drawing to a close.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

Thinking more about shots, just because this is the latest thing LE has released, it doesn’t mean this is the be all end all. Meaning, this could be one of MANY irons they have in the fire. As we know, LE only reaches out when they need something from the public. So they obviously want to know more about shots, but this doesn’t mean this is their main lead, maybe just one they need help with.

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Eta: this just popped up on my YT feed, it’s from a sting in FL a few days ago, video about a “To Catch a Predator” Chris Hansen type operation by LE.

This reinforces what we all know - there are infinite number of individuals who attempt to meet up with minors, anyway I thought this video sort of went along with the tone of the conversations. I think one guy here looks like BG. Just like all the other infinite people.

This is so disturbing to me..I can’t believe so many people want to talk to children! I have a 12 year old son I’m always preaching to him about social media and talking to people he doesn’t know. I follow the real guy who’s picture was used for the Anthony shots I feel sooo sorry for him he had no idea.

 

[sandy_80]

I agree. It's remotely possible that the girls were stalked online, <modsnip-opinion stated as fact> Most likely BG targeted the location, not the particular victims. He may have been there all day waiting for an ideal victim. Abby and Libby may not have even been his ideal victims; they may be what he settled for as the day was drawing to a close.

right..my guess is that he wanted an older victim and not really two ..but they were poor things at very location he needed

 

[sandy_80]

There does seem to be some confusion over his Vegas alibi. Whatever he initially gave to investigators must have been convincing enough that they dropped him as a POI.

Police told him that he was the last person to communicate with Libby. I don't know why this information outrages me but it does. They had to have that particular information at least within days of the crime. He and his father were interviewed on FEB 25, according to GHughes.

So, they've spent years checking out KAKs phone and the dropbox link only to now tell us they know who the killer is and an arrest could come within a year ... or before DCs term expires!



The catfishing did leave an electronic trail that fateful day. That's how LEO found KAK.

And, KAK did meet with someone. It was one of Libby's younger friends. She is the one who gave Libby the a_shots acct information. *GHughes had the entire conversation of the friend with KAK in March, 2017. Ditto for Law Enforcement. They've had this information for years.

* @ appx the 1:05 mark

we mean catfishing as in relation to murder.. this KAK doesn't hide his interactions online.. he liked the post publicly and was seen by everybody

 

[TL4S]

The catfishing did leave an electronic trail that fateful day. That's how LEO found KAK.

And, KAK did meet with someone. It was one of Libby's younger friends. She is the one who gave Libby the a_shots acct information. *GHughes had the entire conversation of the friend with KAK in March, 2017. Ditto for Law Enforcement. They've had this information for years.

* @ appx the 1:05 mark

This is what is unbelievable to me. I've never really bought into the catfishing theory, and like some others here, still think the murders could have been completely random. However, with KAK, it appears possible L was being catfished, but that fact could be totally separate and unrelated to the murders. Or not.

LE's released statement after the KAK annoucement said they had conducted multiple "secondary investigations" after the crimes, I'm assuming through discoveries made while investigating the murders. RL is one example. Maybe KAK is another, except he did have a direct link (and a potentially criminal one) to L immediately before she died, which makes it part LE's overall picture of L's (and A's) story leading up to their murders.

I still don't think they were catfished and knowingly went to the bridge to meet somebody that day, mainly based on things LE, RI, and the families have said, but I am open to the idea of somebody stalking one of the girls. Since LE is still interested in a person (KAK) with an online connection, I have to seriously wonder about BG being in that connection, as well, even possibly unbeknownst to KAK. Perhaps LE is hoping BG's identity can be found somewhere in this complicated online web which L and A and KAK and probably a huge number of other people exist.

 

[mekeritrig]

They just aired part of the interview with Kegan Kline on HLN. Here are some of the highlights:

• Kegan denied trying to meet the girls he was talking to with the Anthony_shots profile in real life
• Kegan claimed that investigators told him he was the last person to communicate with Libby on the day of the murders (Feb 13th), he claimed he has no recollection of doing so
• Kegan claimed to be cooperating with police (Barbara McDonald says he claims to have given DNA and a hair follicle sample to police)
• Kegan claimed he didn't know the search warrant that was served on Feb 25th was related to the Abby and Libby case when it was served.
• Kegan says "I've told them 100 times, I've done everything they wanted me to do, it's like they are just harassing me."

Barbara McDonald finished the segment by saying it's not clear if others had access to the Anthony_shots profile but investigators close to the case told her there is evidence someone using the profile was trying to meet girls in real life.

 

[Prime8]

even if he was REALLY the last to interact with libby...this still can be have zero relation to the murder..they have to prove a catfishing angle
I still firmly believe its a planned attack and random victims..
a catfishing would def have a trace from that day...and has nothing to do with a reset days before cause the attack happened at a specific given time
creeps like KAK on the other hand will not usually try and meet any victim cause thats why they are using a model profile...to get what they want that way

While I do also think that it was probably a planned random attack. One thing that holds me back now is the connection with KAK. What are the odds of talking with a pedo and being murdered by someone not connected? I also find it interesting that if KAK had contact with Libby, he was connecting with local girls. To me, that may mean he or someone he knows had interest in real life contact of some form.

 

[Trebor5591]

I agree. It's remotely possible that the girls were stalked online, but there is zero chance that they were catfished.

Zero chance. You say that so definitively. Just how do you know?

 

[Prime8]

lets try and put yourself in the girls shoes
where would you meet with a secret date ?
in the mall ..or in a secluded dangerous trails

There’s no mall in town though, meeting at a mall would mean having an adult bring you and probably sticking around. The trails are in town, they are allowed to go by themselves.

she allegedly had a secret FB account...however no one can prove she had a phone..her family denies it..le didnt mention it

Abby had a Kindle Fire, which has an Internet browser.

 

[OverTheRhine]

I really don't think the girls were cat fished (meeting someone that day) I'm not a teen girl, but I have been that age before and when a guy and girl were meeting for the first time, they usually didn't wear sweat pants and just around the house kind of clothes. Secondly, if they were meeting someone there, I doubt that they would go to the bridge and cross it knowing the person they are meeting could show up and it's a good distance back and forth. And I really don't think they would meet someone on the other side of the bridge. Also, I remember Kelsi saying they asked her if she wanted to go but she was busy. I don't think she'd want to bring her sister along with them.

It's possible that someone knew they'd be there though, although I still think this was random. He got there early and trolled for hours getting no bites. He finally saw 2 go down the bridge (part of the plan was the bridge to separate from witnesses) and pressed his luck against 2 girls instead of 1. It was planned sexual assault but he underestimated the fight of 2 girls and he ended up killing them while they tried to run. It still seems like a ridiculous coincidence with the KK stuff, but he looks nothing like BG. Also police lie to suspects all the time. What I do find strange is that police would consider him a suspect despite knowing he looks nothing like BG. Like there could be multiple people.

 

[sandy_80]

While I do also think that it was probably a planned random attack. One thing that holds me back now is the connection with KAK. What are the odds of talking with a pedo and being murdered by someone not connected? I also find it interesting that if KAK had contact with Libby, he was connecting with local girls. To me, that may mean he or someone he knows had interest in real life contact of some form.

the same odds...that a girl might have a stalker yet gets killed by a random stranger like in so many cases...stalking online is just the new way..

 

[dotr]

Feb 12 2022

 

[sandy_80]

There’s no mall in town though, meeting at a mall would mean having an adult bring you and probably sticking around. The trails are in town, they are allowed to go by themselves.



Abby had a Kindle Fire, which has an Internet browser.

I am not sure why they would have to get an adult for somewhere in town but are allowed to go alone in this secluded area ? how do we know this
there is no reason for me by the look of things to even remotely suspect they were waiting for someone ...it wasn't even a secret they were recording

 

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[Prime8]

I am not sure why they would have to get an adult for somewhere in town but are allowed to go alone in this secluded area ? how do we know this
there is no reason for me by the look of things to even remotely suspect they were waiting for someone ...it wasn't even a secret they were recording

There’s no mall in town. It’s wouldn’t be a 5 minute drive to drop them off, it’s more of an event. They barely got a ride to the trails that day, they weren’t getting a ride somewhere 20-30 minutes away. Dropping them off somewhere in town is easy and in a small town, it’s not uncommon for kids to have some independence.

 

[Deerrun]

I agree. It's remotely possible that the girls were stalked online, but there is zero chance that they were catfished. Most likely BG targeted the location, not the particular victims. He may have been there all day waiting for an ideal victim. Abby and Libby may not have even been his ideal victims; they may be what he settled for as the day was drawing to a close.

I agree with you to an extent. BG could have had a heads up there was an impromptu day off of school. A quick check of the weather could have been a deciding factor for him that school age kids may go to the bridge since they had a day off and the weather was decent. (I always check the weather of places I plan to go) He could have gone and waited for the perfect opportunity with no one special in mind. What I don't agree with is a 0 chance of catfishing. He could have put feelers out through the KaK profile or planted a seed about going to the bridge in hopes someone would bite. I am on the fence about specifically targeting and convincing Libby to show up but I still think it possible. jmo

 

[Prime8]

I really don't think the girls were cat fished (meeting someone that day) I'm not a teen girl, but I have been that age before and when a guy and girl were meeting for the first time, they usually didn't wear sweat pants and just around the house kind of clothes. \

Small detail but kids these days would absolutely wear sweatpants to meet someone. Ath-leisure is extremely common for kids in 2017 and now. My niece didn't own a pair of jeans from age 10-14.

 

[swedeheart]

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