Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[TL4S]

From @mekeritrig post:

• Kegan denied trying to meet the girls he was talking to with the Anthony_shots profile in real life

• Kegan claimed he didn't know the search warrant that was served on Feb 25th was related to the Abby and Libby case when it was served.

I reread the affidavit and couldn't find any mention of him trying to meet up with girls. Did I miss it during my reread? I'm just curious if the trying to meet in person, getting addresses, etc. is something KAK lied about, or evidence that someone else was using the account. However, the account was linked to the Peru address. Hmm... Plus, he does have one charge regarding trying to meet up, doesn't he?

And then he says he didn't know the warrant was for the Delphi murders when they first came to search. Okay, then I'd like to know just exactly why he thought he was f'ed and brought a bag to Vegas, planning to leave afterwards. That all occurred before they even left for Vegas, before the search.

 

[mekeritrig]

From @mekeritrig post:

• Kegan denied trying to meet the girls he was talking to with the Anthony_shots profile in real life

• Kegan claimed he didn't know the search warrant that was served on Feb 25th was related to the Abby and Libby case when it was served.

I reread the affidavit and couldn't find any mention of him trying to meet up with girls. Did I miss it during my reread? I'm just curious if the trying to meet in person, getting addresses, etc. is something KAK lied about, or evidence that someone else was using the account. However, the account was linked to the Peru address. Hmm... Plus, he does have one charge regarding trying to meet up, doesn't he?

And then he says he didn't know the warrant was for the Delphi murders when they first came to search. Okay, then I'd like to know just exactly why he thought he was f'ed and brought a bag to Vegas, planning to leave afterwards. That all occurred before they even left for Vegas, before the search.

To answer your first question, the speculation that he was trying to meet up with girls comes from the initial ISP press release seeing information about the anthony_shots account. They said the following in the December 6th, 2021 press release:

• "The creator of the fictitious profile used this information while communicating with juvenile females to solicit nude images, obtain their addresses, and attempt to meet them."

So, presumably, the investigators who prepared the press release have some evidence that whoever was using the anthony_shots account (they say the creator who is KAK in the press release) was doing exactly that.

 

[TL4S]

To answer your first question, the speculation that he was trying to meet up with girls comes from the initial ISP press release seeing information about the anthony_shots account. They said the following in the December 6th, 2021 press release:

• "The creator of the fictitious profile used this information while communicating with juvenile females to solicit nude images, obtain their addresses, and attempt to meet them."

So, presumably, the investigators who prepared the press release have some evidence that whoever was using the anthony_shots account (they say the creator who is KAK in the press release) was doing exactly that.

Thank you. And that reminds me that LE used the term "creator," which KAK admitted to being back in 2017. So unless another person created a second "a-shots" account to look like the first one, and LE didn't know about it until after the Peru search, KAK is the person LE is referring to here. It all makes KAK look like a liar, imo. But, of course, I don't know what other evidence LE holds.

 

[Charlot123]

Possibly, or he takes pride in his elusiveness and ability to evade thus far and is following the media just like us on the 5 year anniversary, proud of himself. One standard BAU element is a suspect being overly interested in a case.

Or maybe he is always worried, looking over his shoulder?

Who knows.

One thing I’ve always said from the beginning is that I think he is technically savvy based simply on what I would guess to be a strong interest in and involvement in child and other dark activities, likely on the dark web. Which again brings us back to KAK and CSAM.

He might not be a social media person, per say, and/or maybe just has a general profile.

Or maybe he is technically savvy for work, if he has a day job. Maybe an office job (or not).

Yeah, in summary, five years later, I think the possibilities are still endless. As for the information we have publicly received, I don’t feel things are narrowed down, but that might not be the case for LE. Maybe they have narrowed some things down, ruled some things out or in.

So, still waiting, with nothing new to add.

I do wonder if anyone here, out of the xxxx posts in the five years and 142 threads has touched on the answer. Or out there beyond WS, in a social media group or something of the like. Maybe someone has, or a lot of people have, or nobody has. Considering the number of posts, I would venture to guess someone here has possibly touched on something, or maybe not. Perhaps the suspect is so out of the box nobody has touched on that final piece. I would find that hard to believe, but anything is possible.

I agree about being technically savvy. For a while I thought maybe a customer support person from engineering department- either from Apple (iPhone), or the company-provider that Libby used.

But now I think, it is both his profession (that likely, requires some programming skills) and himself being tech-savvy, in an autodidactic way.

And this might bring him farther from Delphi. Or, there is some connection with Delphi and MHB that is far in time, and not necessarily Delphi. Could be relatives in Logansport. LE’s job might be very difficult- trace who visited relatives and maybe, came to see MHB in certain time in the past. I would not be surprised if he kills along some places that he has good memories attached to. And now he is not stupid to leave things the way he did, probably, and covers the bodies better. So maybe go back and tie up old cases with some similarity.

P.S. he might have minimal online presence. I think he has some media, but might be really logging in via a GF, or a wife. Or maybe, his job prohibits him from posting online. Recently I came across someone’s account. On FB, there were mostly his personal views, on YouTube, something different (his house being built). If it were not for the place and name, I’d never say it was the same person. Nothing related to murders, just an example

 

[Charlot123]

This is so disturbing to me..I can’t believe so many people want to talk to children! I have a 12 year old son I’m always preaching to him about social media and talking to people he doesn’t know. I follow the real guy who’s picture was used for the Anthony shots I feel sooo sorry for him he had no idea.

Many adult women from Eastern Europe have a game - posting profiles of men who want to befriend them, names and photos, online. Some follow up - they do befriend these guys and wait till the obligatory request for money comes, and post the stories accompanying the requests, and their own answers. Usually it is very funny, but I do know two adult women who believed the scammers - I forbade one to send the money, and the second one did. I also know a man who sent a lot. But these are people hit financially.

That people can steal a photo of someone well-known and handsome and add a name and a story and a name to it is known in all industries.

But if a 12-year-old is followed, it is obvious he is not a cash cow. So, yes, the interest could be sexual. It is much scarier.

 

[JnRyan]

I agree about being technically savvy. For a while I thought maybe a customer support person from engineering department- either from Apple (iPhone), or the company-provider that Libby used.

But now I think, it is both his profession (that likely, requires some programming skills) and himself being tech-savvy, in an autodidactic way.

And this might bring him farther from Delphi. Or, there is some connection with Delphi and MHB that is far in time, and not necessarily Delphi. Could be relatives in Logansport. LE’s job might be very difficult- trace who visited relatives and maybe, came to see MHB in certain time in the past. I would not be surprised if he kills along some places that he has good memories attached to. And now he is not stupid to leave things the way he did, probably, and covers the bodies better. So maybe go back and tie up old cases with some similarity.

P.S. he might have minimal online presence. I think he has some media, but might be really logging in via a GF, or a wife. Or maybe, his job prohibits him from posting online. Recently I came across my someone’s account. On FB, there were mostly his personal views, on YouTube, something different (his house being built). If it were not for the place and name, I’d never say it was the same person. Nothing related to murders, just an example

That he is technically savvy? If you had said that in the beginning or as recent as 4 months ago I'd ask you what you would base that on. He is just another deranged killer. (I still refuse to the name or acronym associated with this criminal as I don't believe he has done anything to merit a nickname, handle or call sign.) NOW. Wow! He could very well be tech savvy to one degree or another. Computer programming. Cell phone technology such as one who troubleshoots cell phone problems. Or one with computer forensic tech skills.

I once listened to a lecture by a computer forensics expert on how easy it was to hack into others computers in a coffee shop and he stated this wasn't any high level hocus pocus genius level knowledge. I'm still not straying far from this being random set of murders. But I'm not as set on it as I once was.

 

[somequestions]

This is my opinion only. The simple fact of the matter is that the any of the men arrested by police do not match the picture of the person on the bridge.

The police caught a criminal, not the criminal.

 

[Diddian]

Many adult women from Eastern Europe have a game - posting profiles of men who want to befriend them, names and photos, online. Some follow up - they do befriend these guys and wait till the obligatory request for money comes, and post the stories accompanying the requests, and their own answers. Usually it is very funny, but I do know two adult women who believed the scammers - I forbade one to send the money, and the second one did. I also know a man who sent a lot. But these are people hit financially.

That people can steal a photo of someone well-known and handsome and add a name and a story and a name to it is known in all industries.

But if a 12-year-old is followed, it is obvious he is not a cash cow. So, yes, the interest could be sexual. It is much scarier.

It is possible that the interest of the person who murdered AW & LG was sexual, but the interest of the person who created the account was both sexual and financial.

LE said in their December 6, 2021 press release that the creator of the account used the account to solicit nude photos, attempt to meet the girls, and to gain their addresses.

Maybe the creator sold photos in combination with the addresses, providing a means for a sexual offender to stalk the girls from LG's home.

 

[Prime8]

IMaybe the creator sold photos in combination with the addresses, providing a means for a sexual offender to stalk the girls from LG's home.

If KAK is truly connected to this case, this is my number one theory.

 

[TL4S]

If KAK is truly connected to this case, this is my number one theory.

Mine too.

 

[Diddian]

If KAK is truly connected to this case, this is my number one theory.

IIRC, DG (LG's father) was away from the area for a couple of hours, taking some photos in a nearby county in relation to some of the family's appraisal work.

I hope that LE has looked into whoever arranged the work that took DG away from the home for those two hours to make sure that arrangement was not in some way connected.

ETA: IF they were connected, it is possible the offender would know what time DG was heading back to the area. That would seem to imply others were involved (although would not necessarily mean the others knew they were being used for a diversion... just that they were communicating the status of DG's work and departure to the offender).

 

[Ravenmoon]

IIRC, DG (LG's father) was away from the area for a couple of hours, taking some photos in a nearby county in relation to some of the family's appraisal work.

I hope that LE has looked into whoever arranged the work that took DG away from the home for those two hours to make sure that arrangement was not in some way connected.

ETA: IF they were connected, it is possible the offender would know what time DG was heading back to the area. That would seem to imply others were involved (although would not necessarily mean the others knew they were being used for a diversion... just that they were communicating the status of DG's work and departure to the offender).

This is a "no" for me. DG was taking photos of a property for BP as a part of her job.
I believe it had to do with appraisals.

JMO MOO AMOO

 

[AC4RD]

... checking social media accounts and any social media interaction with the victims. Libby and Abby's phones would have been a priority, IMO

Abby's mother said on some podcast that Abby had a "Fire" tablet, but did not have a cellphone. (She used it to read books on a vacation trip to New York, if I remember correctly.) Is that old news and do we know of Abby having a phone now? TIA!

 

[TL4S]

IIRC, DG (LG's father) was away from the area for a couple of hours, taking some photos in a nearby county in relation to some of the family's appraisal work.

I hope that LE has looked into whoever arranged the work that took DG away from the home for those two hours to make sure that arrangement was not in some way connected.

ETA: IF they were connected, it is possible the offender would know what time DG was heading back to the area. That would seem to imply others were involved (although would not necessarily mean the others knew they were being used for a diversion... just that they were communicating the status of DG's work and departure to the offender).

It's just my opinion, but even if there was an online element, I still think the events that day could have been random to some extent. I just can't ignore my gut feeling that BG saw them dropped off (and I'll fully admit I could be WAY off). At the beginning, I questioned why he would have been driving those back roads in order to be there to see the girls dropped off. Since the KAK news broke, I've wondered if he was already watching them, and that's how he knew they got dropped off. In that respect, the day, time, location, etc. could be random. All he really had to do was follow them on the trails until he got to a place he could approach them without anyone seeing. From there, he easily could have walked them until they were out of view of the bridge or any other structure. Where their bodies were found just happened to be the spot BG decided they were finally safely isolated. IDK...

Since LE is still asking to talk to anyone who spoke with a_shots, I can't help but wonder if they are hoping that somebody who communicated with a_shots, also has information about BG and doesn't even know it.

 

[Diddian]

This is a "no" for me. DG was taking photos of a property for BP as a part of her job.
I believe it had to do with appraisals.

JMO MOO AMOO

I know that DG was doing that.

IF the offender had purchased photos of LG and her address from the a_shots account's creator, then he may have done more than that.

A simple Google search would have revealed BP's appraisal company at that same address. Making arrangements for an appraisal to be conducted in a nearby county on Feb 13 might have been done to remove adults (i.e., LG's protection) from that address for a couple of hours.

Under this scenario, the offender may have showed up in the vicinity of LG's home around the same time DG departed to take those photographs. It is even possible his original plan was to abduct LG from there. But instead, observing the girls loading into KG's vehicle, he may have followed KG's vehicle and seen the two girls get out at the Monon High Bridge trails area. And then he may have parked and searched for them there.

 

[Marzipan]

This is my opinion only. The simple fact of the matter is that the any of the men arrested by police do not match the picture of the person on the bridge.

The police caught a criminal, not the criminal.

JBC looks pretty close to BG to me. Not hearing much about him now though and the way Carter is talking it seems like maybe the guy really is out there, free. But JBC matches for body type, at least.

 

[TL4S]

I know that DG was doing that.

IF the offender had purchased photos of LG and her address from the a_shots account's creator, then he may have done more than that.

A simple Google search would have revealed BP's appraisal company at that same address. Making arrangements for an appraisal to be conducted in a nearby county on Feb 13 might have been done to remove adults (i.e., LG's protection) from that address for a couple of hours.

Under this scenario, the offender may have showed up in the vicinity of LG's home around the same time DG departed to take those photographs. It is even possible his original plan was to abduct LG from there. But instead, observing the girls loading into KG's vehicle, he may have followed KG's vehicle and seen the two girls get out at the Monon High Bridge trails area. And then he may have parked and searched for them there.

*sorry, I know you weren't addressing me here, but...

I really like your line of thinking here. My main hangup, though, is that I believe BP was still home, wasn't she? And BG would have had to know KG's work schedule to know she would be gone. The appraisal would have had to be set up beforehand, as in not that day, I would imagine, so how would he even know if L would be there, alone?

But you could be right, if BG was stalking L, he could have intended on taking her from her home, or simply whenever he saw a chance.

 

[Ozoner]

JBC looks pretty close to BG to me. Not hearing much about him now though and the way Carter is talking it seems like maybe the guy really is out there, free. But JBC matches for body type, at least.

JBC looks stockier than BG to me, but JBC would be a closer match than KAK; KAK is not even close to BG in terms of body type. And I doubt whether KAK could even make it across that bridge without an amigo cart. That all-you-can-eat-pork-rind-and-deep-fried-twinkie diet hasn't helped him get the six pack that he was going for.

 

[Ozoner]

Zero chance. You say that so definitively. Just how do you know?

Logic and the evidence.

First of all, the time was not planned. The girls had mentioned wanting to go to the bridge, but they never asked to go there at a specific time; the time was basically determined by Libby's sister's schedule, and going to the bridge at that specific time was an impromptu decision.

Also, LE did not find any evidence that the girls were planning to meet anyone. Some things may not be retrievable, but the fact that no evidence was found has to be considered.

Not only that, but girls share information with their friends, and they never said anything about meeting up with someone. If they had, their friends would know.

Moreover, there is some audio of them talking on the bridge, and according to one of the moms, it's just random girl talk. If they were meeting someone, that's all they would have been talking about.

Additionally, Abby's mom said that Abby would have gotten more dolled up (not her exact words) to meet a boy, and she knew her daughter better than anyone else would.

Finally, requesting to meet the girls at the bridge would not have been a foolproof plan because BG would have had no way of knowing what other hikers might have ended up being nearby. However, stalking out the location and waiting for a suitable victim or victims who happened by when no one else was nearby would be an essentially foolproof plan. Out of the two scenarios, the latter would make sense from a predator's point of view while the former would be incredibly high risk.

No one piece of evidence alone is enough to rule out catfishing, but taken together, the evidence collectively makes it clear that the girls were not catfished. That doesn't mean that they weren't stalked online—that's a separate issue—but it is overwhelmingly obvious that they were not planning to meet anyone.

 

[Diddian]

*sorry, I know you weren't addressing me here, but...

I really like your line of thinking here. My main hangup, though, is that I believe BP was still home, wasn't she? And BG would have had to know KG's work schedule to know she would be gone. The appraisal would have had to be set up beforehand, as in not that day, I would imagine, so how would he even know if L would be there, alone?

But you could be right, if BG was stalking L, he could have intended on taking her from her home, or simply whenever he saw a chance.

The offender may not have known anything about BP or KG beyond what he could learn by driving to the address and observing the comings and goings of the adults there.

Under this scenario, we have no idea how long the offender knew about LG and had entertained the idea of doing what he did with her and AW. If he got LG's address from the creator of the a_shots account, he could have been watching the family's home and the comings and goings of adults there for weeks to learn who was usually around and when. We also have no idea (although LE likely does) if he was simultaneously communicating with LG and if she was unwittingly telling him anything that would serve his purposes.

It may be that DG being away from the area from just shortly before KG delivered the girls to the park until 2 hours later is just a complete coincidence. But if I were LE, I would not leave THAT stone unturned. I would check out who that appraisal was done for, who arranged it and why (were they selling, arranging financing?), who was at the appraisal property during the time DG was there taking photographs (or whether there is or was camera surveillance that would reveal that info to someone at another location - the actual photos DG took that day may provide that answer), and whether that person (or those cameras) was/were communicating the status of DG's progress and departure with anyone else.