Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

[CurtMarcucci]

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[carbuff]

The interview makes me think about what DNA evidence there is. KAK says he was swabbed, and this interview was in August of 2020. Swabbing him would either 1) prove or disprove that he committed the murders or 2) link a family member to the crime. Neither has happened yet. That leads me to believe that there was not too much DNA evidence to collect. The best way to make their case is to get someone to talk or get more witnesses.

Could have been for something unrelated, like a sexual assault he's suspected of, or perhaps just the routine DNA gathering for accused felons.

 

[CurtMarcucci]

I know there are people out there with grim interests, but this guy actively searching for images of the dead bodies of children when we know he has a sexual interest in minors is disturbing, to say the least.
MOO

The Sandy Hook Report was released in 2013 and it also has hours of videos from processing the scene in addition to photographs. I JUST found it, so I am not sure if it shows anything like JBR or O.J. I am currently downloading the 1st video of the processing of the scene from inside the school. Not everybody has a stomach for this stuff, but I do through my job. I'll update later on what it shows. I really hope they got the kids out before they processed the scene.

 

[CurtMarcucci]

Could have been for something unrelated, like a sexual assault he's suspected of, or perhaps just the routine DNA gathering for accused felons.

I agree. All sex offenders get swabbed here in Illinois. If they had DNA in this case or he was cleared by it, I would think they would have said something or done something by now.

 

[crussell821]

The Sandy Hook Report was released in 2013 and it also has hours of videos from processing the scene in addition to photographs. I JUST found it, so I am not sure if it shows anything like JBR or O.J. I am currently downloading the 1st video of the processing of the scene from inside the school. Not everybody has a stomach for this stuff, but I do through my job. I'll update later on what it shows. I really hope they got the kids out before they processed the scene.

I have seen that report. There are no graphic photos of children, thankfully. Those are sealed and will never be released.

 

[IceIce9]

The person behind anthony_shots was one of the last to communicate with Libby German before her death. After her death, the "anthony_shots" profile told another person that he was supposed to meet up with Libby “but she never showed up.”

'anthony_shots' connected to incident days after Delphi murders | wthr.com

 

[squareandrabbet]

Gift cards are very common “currency” with the unbanked. Everyone from teenagers to scam artists to those who are unable to get bank accounts use gift cards as currency.

Gift cards can be sent electronically to phones and email addresses. They can be sold for cash or traded for goods, drugs, or alcohol.

That's true, many (if not most) physical cards can also be e-cards, in addition to Visas and MasterCards.

Apple, Amazon, Google Play, American Eagle, Aerie, and similar clothing stores, fast food, Sephora, Ulta, so on and so forth.

 

[rebelchild]

They definitely planned on questioning about Delphi. IMO, the entire interview is Delphi related. They would not be winging things just because he brought it up.

I did not say they were winging things .. I said that KAK is the one that brought up the Delphi case. He mentioned it on pages 66, 99 and 101 and the interviewer still didn't touch on it. It wasn't until page 111 that the questioning turned to Delphi. I'm sure they were planning on that line of questioning but had to find out as much as they could about the biggest CSAM investigation in Indiana history. (their words, not mine)

 

[Trebor5591]

I think it’s because they can’t pinpoint who the second person is that was using KAK’s devices.
MOO

MOO, but who else could it be but the father? Both people were using KAK devices from the same house, according to the news story. The same house where father and son both lived.
Interview transcript reveals new details in Delphi murders investigation

 

[Trebor5591]

I think LE knows whom to arrest.

I think KAK was nearby and intended to meet L but she never showed.

Because someone else with access to the same conversations showed up.

The delay in arrest IMO is about conviction.

Either one offers the possibility of SODDI for the other at trial.

IMO LE (or the DA) is taking every tedious step to make sure that can't happen -- in other words, needing a solid arrest, they have to simultaneously prove that whom they arrest did it and whom they didn't arrest not only didn't but couldn't have.

IMO the person who lured the girls to the bridge is not the same person who found them there.

JMO

What is SODDI?

 

[Nobody_special]

What is SODDI?

Some other dude did it

It’s a way to add reasonable doubt by pointing a finger at someone (anyone) else.

 

[Prime8]

I did not say they were winging things .. I said that KAK is the one that brought up the Delphi case. He mentioned it on pages 66, 99 and 101 and the interviewer still didn't touch on it. It wasn't until page 111 that the questioning turned to Delphi. I'm sure they were planning on that line of questioning but had to find out as much as they could about the biggest CSAM investigation in Indiana history. (their words, not mine)

No, I know you didn't say you thought they were winging it. I'm emphasizing that I think that interview had nothing to do with the CSAM investigation and was 100% related to Delphi. I think were laying a lot of ground work to lead up to the Delphi questions.

 

[Trebor5591]

"Kline’s father, J...A...Kline, goes by Tony and has a criminal history that includes convictions of sexual harassment, battery and theft. We have not been able to contact Tony Kline. Indiana State Police will not tell us if Tony has been questioned about the Delphi murders."

This is in MSN, from the story:

'anthony_shots' connected to incident days after Delphi murders | wthr.com

I deleted the father's first and middle name from the above MSM story to comply with earlier Moderator instructions about using initials.

 

[rebelchild]

"Kline’s father, J...A...Kline, goes by Tony and has a criminal history that includes convictions of sexual harassment, battery and theft. We have not been able to contact Tony Kline. Indiana State Police will not tell us if Tony has been questioned about the Delphi murders."

This is in MSN, from the story:

'anthony_shots' connected to incident days after Delphi murders | wthr.com

I deleted the father's first and middle name from the above MSM story to comply with earlier Moderator instructions about using initials.

From this same article:

Here’s the timeline:
Feb. 14, 2017 – The bodies of Libby German and Abby Williams were discovered near a trail in Delphi in Carroll County.

Feb. 20, 2017 – A school-aged girl in Galveston in Cass County had given her address to anthony_shots. A day later, she saw a man in a ski mask looking in her bedroom window as she got off the school bus.

Feb. 25, 2017 – Police raided the home in Peru in Miami County where Kline lived with his father. They found over 100 photos and videos of underage girls on several electronic devices.

When again did KAK and his dad say they were in Vegas?

 

[Nobody_special]

I’ve seen quite a few comments about the money that ashots supposedly “sent” to Libby. I think that’s too literal of an interpretation. Especially when it starts stretching to gift cards and geocaches.

From the transcript:

“We have the grooming pictures. We have the money. The Anthony Shots money account going to her.”

There is at least one picture of money that has circulated from the ashots instagram account. He also may be taking about the ashots Snapchat account and that may be something as simple as anthony_shot$ or something similar. “Going to her” could just as easily be “contacting her,” as opposed to sending her money.

 

[CurtMarcucci]

I’ve seen quite a few comments about the money that ashots supposedly “sent” to Libby. I think that’s too literal of an interpretation. Especially when it starts stretching to gift cards and geocaches.

From the transcript:

“We have the grooming pictures. We have the money. The Anthony Shots money account going to her.”

There is at least one picture of money that has circulated from the ashots instagram account. He also may be taking about the ashots Snapchat account and that may be something as simple as anthony_shot$ or something similar. “Going to her” could just as easily be “contacting her,” as opposed to sending her money.

My initial thought to that statement was a picture of money. These people like to take pictures of wads of cash to prove that they are rich.

 

[Yemelyan]

From this same article:

Here’s the timeline:
Feb. 14, 2017 – The bodies of Libby German and Abby Williams were discovered near a trail in Delphi in Carroll County.

Feb. 20, 2017 – A school-aged girl in Galveston in Cass County had given her address to anthony_shots. A day later, she saw a man in a ski mask looking in her bedroom window as she got off the school bus.

Feb. 25, 2017 – Police raided the home in Peru in Miami County where Kline lived with his father. They found over 100 photos and videos of underage girls on several electronic devices.

When again did KAK and his dad say they were in Vegas?

Social media shows that photos of Vegas appear on their accounts on February 21st, 2017. The home was supposedly raided the day they returned, the 25th. IMO

 

[LeBlack]

DBM - answered

 

[Nobody_special]

My initial thought to that statement was a picture of money. These people like to take pictures of wads of cash to prove that they are rich.

Yup. This is the one that’s frequently shown as coming from the anthony_shots account.

 

[CurtMarcucci]

Yup. This is the one that’s frequently shown as coming from the anthony_shots account.

Yep stock photo. That fool couldn't afford Monopoly money