Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

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  • #661
The interview makes me think about what DNA evidence there is. KAK says he was swabbed, and this interview was in August of 2020. Swabbing him would either 1) prove or disprove that he committed the murders or 2) link a family member to the crime. Neither has happened yet. That leads me to believe that there was not too much DNA evidence to collect. The best way to make their case is to get someone to talk or get more witnesses.

Didn’t LE say, in the published transcript of this one interview (whether or not they were being truthful we do not know), that they didn’t think he (KAK) killed the girls? (Apologies, my search function isn’t working for a quick find - someone please correct me if I’m misremembering or provide the exact quote if you have it handy.)

What if the noted complexity of the case is that they DO have DNA, it just doesn’t match the most obvious likely suspect(s) - KAK or a family member. I’ve read through the entire transcript once and listened to the first half (so far) of it dramatized by the MS podcast, and for me it solidified that he’s not the one, but he’s unwittingly connected. Maybe I would feel differently if I could observe his body language and tone, I don’t know. Honestly, I suspect it’s the other person in/at the home using the accounts and devices that actually created and maintains the Dropbox in question, too.

In the MS podcast episode Kayla’s Story, K, who alleges that KAK met her at Foster Park - well, I think it’s telling that she says he was perfectly gentlemanly in person but became enraged and talked about slitting her throat *LATER* over text or whatever app. Like Jekyll and Hyde. Because perhaps it is literally not the same person. Maybe KAK is a pawn in someone else’s game.
 
  • #662
I am not aware of any from that early, and I hope your question brings some photos I haven't seen before. I'm attaching the three photos I'm aware of and relatively sure of.

On the far right is the 2020 arrest mugshot. That's 3.5 years after the murders. In the center is a photo TK put on FB, saying it's KAK in 2018 "when my baby boy hasn't been home in two years." There's no reason to think the date is correct; we saw TK lying about when KAK was in the Delphi area elsewhere, and we know for a fact KAK was in that part of Indiana in Feb 2017 when the house was searched--so TK appears deliberately to be lying about KAK's travel history. And we have to wonder if the "2018" there is accurate or a deliberate misstatement.

The shot on the far left is the "Hoover Dam photo"--this is *presumably* from a trip to the Las Vegas area and I think it's probably the closest photo I know to the murders, spring 2017. So the kid in the D0dgers shirt is the photo to compare to BG. I've already bored people with the numbers; in the D0dgers shirt, KAK appears (to me, JMHO) to be borderline between "overweight" and "obese" (i.e., BMI of around 30.) Definitely not "morbidly obese" or even close.

If you find other photos of KAK in which we can be relatively sure of the date, please share them! --ken
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I do not know the date of this picture for a fact, but supposedly it is from the end of 2014. What's striking to me is how similar he looks to the young sketch.

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  • #663
ITA, reading his words and responses carefully showed just what a master manipulator and lying liar who lies KK is.

MOO
Like, googling about DNA, how long it stays?
 
  • #664
Forgot to ask about what the neighbor shared in the interview. TIA

Nothing much at all tbh, just the expected shock and disgust at someone so near possibly wrapped up in something like this. It was extremely brief.
 
  • #665
I see BG physically as below average height at around (5′6..′ 7 ) ...physically fit ..might be hiding muscular build under the jacket...has evil eyes ..eyes of a psychopath that were enough to scare the girl at the freedom bridge ..
jmo
 
  • #666
I don’t understand the logic in sharing photos of KK from 2013/2014 and then claiming he looks like the sketch when we need photos from what he actually looked like in 2017.

Moo
 
  • #667
"DELPHI, Ind. — The transcript of a police interview that took place with Kegan Kline in regards to the Delphi murder investigation is raising new questions about whether or not police might have violated Kline’s rights during the interview.
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However, also during the interview, Kline asked for a lawyer a couple of times and though he was not denied a lawyer, police kept pushing on with the interview. Jack Crawford is a defense attorney and tells WISH-TV that because the police never directly addressed his request for a lawyer, that might make what he said in the interview inadmissible in court."

Experts Say Police May Have Entered Gray Area During Kline Interview - 93.1FM WIBC
 
  • #668
"DELPHI, Ind. — The transcript of a police interview that took place with Kegan Kline in regards to the Delphi murder investigation is raising new questions about whether or not police might have violated Kline’s rights during the interview.
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However, also during the interview, Kline asked for a lawyer a couple of times and though he was not denied a lawyer, police kept pushing on with the interview. Jack Crawford is a defense attorney and tells WISH-TV that because the police never directly addressed his request for a lawyer, that might make what he said in the interview inadmissible in court."

Experts Say Police May Have Entered Gray Area During Kline Interview - 93.1FM WIBC
Maybe LE knows it is not KAK who committed the murders, so they were comfortable going into gray area to gain some info. They wouldn’t need this interview even if KAK dropped a name - they need physical evidence. My speculation only…
 
  • #669
DBM. Sorry...answered question on 1st page of thread thinking I was on current page. SMH. Already answered.
 
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  • #670
My overall impression of the interview is that the the investigators are walling off all avenues of escape for him except one:

"As of now, all of this is on you. You're taking all the heat."
"It wasn't "friend 1"; that doesn't make sense for so many reasons."
"We know from linguistic analysis that at least two people are using these accounts."
"We know from GPS data all this happened at your house, often for hours at a time."
"We don't think YOU killed the girls in Delphi, someone using your account was in touch with one of them, so...
"I know you say you don't do this stuff with your dad, but here's a transcript of you conversing with an underage girl with your dad. Also, you at least considered going to a brothel in Nevada with your dad."
"So is there SOMEONE ELSE that maybe you LIVE WITH that could be INVOLVED here?"

But despite them leaving the door wide open and practically begging him to walk through it, he never takes the bait.
 
  • #671
it's all gonna come out, one way or another. mOO
 
  • #672
I don’t understand the logic in sharing photos of KK from 2013/2014 and then claiming he looks like the sketch when we need photos from what he actually looked like in 2017.

Moo

I think it's important to look at sketches while remembering that they are likely very inaccurate. What one usually remembers, are features that stand out. For example, if you look at the Richard Ramirez or Ted Bundy sketch, they don't really "match" but there are features that are the same. RR's sketch looks like he's much older but what can we see in the sketch - he has some curl to his hair, his eyes stand out, he's has a thin face and prominent cheekbones. In TB's, he has a lot of hair, some texture to his hair, his eyebrows are close together. So you take those features and compare them, those features may change, but they aren't necessarily going to change in a few years.
 

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  • #673
I think it's important to look at sketches while remembering that they are likely very inaccurate. What one usually remembers, are features that stand out. For example, if you look at the Richard Ramirez or Ted Bundy sketch, they don't really "match" but there are features that are the same. RR's sketch looks like he's much older but what can we see in the sketch - he has some curl to his hair, his eyes stand out, he's has a thin face and prominent cheekbones. In TB's, he has a lot of hair, some texture to his hair, his eyebrows are close together. So you take those features and compare them, those features may change, but they aren't necessarily going to change in a few years.

Good point.
 
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  • #675
If someone hacks into your account, and starts sending messages from it, where would the messages be coming from?

All we know is that LE is putting pressure on KAK, and he is horribly afraid of someone, I doubt it is his father. Someone else. Maybe if he knows two girls were killed, he is too afraid of spilling the beans.
An app like Instagram or Snapchat or Kik will log the IP address of the person who logs into it. It will also probably log device-specific details (what kind of phone/computer they were on, etc). So the message sent might come from the same account, but there would be evidence that it was someone else logged into the account at that time.

From the transcript, it sounds like LE have those logs for the anthony_shots accounts. And they don't show anyone logging in from outside the house (that would be a different IP address). But they do show logins from multiple devices within the same house. That makes it very unlikely that the account was hacked by someone outside the house.
 
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  • #677
Whenever you see one of the following its a red flag
-Semantics
-Deflection (or gas lighting)
-Minimilization
-Selective amnesia

-When you see them ALL especially when questioning someone, let alone a deviant with a sexual interest in said victim age group , and regarding 2 homicide victims, they are directly linked to,......... your eyes should be very wide .
 
  • #678
Man, I still can't see either of these father and son pieces of human excrement matching BG. I just don't see it...even with less weight and younger. Even comparing to the sketch, I personally am just not seeing it.

Knowing that BG must be the murdered (as LE has said that because probably Libby's shaky video continued to record maybe in her pocket and that is when the movement "down the hill" happened while it was still recording the audio. LE knows BG is involved.

My crazy theory (more like just a guess) is that the other Anthony Shots account user was JBC.

The theory being that LE does not have enough evidence on JBC (no good DNA just circumstantial evidence) but they can lean on KAK to give him up. KAK won't give him up because JBC has other damaging dirt on KAK. JBC is the only person I have seen that resembles BG as well as we can see in the blurry images. If KAK implicates JBC, then that is enough.

I think they would have had evidence of Anthony Shots account on JBC's devices from the seizure of his phone, computer etc.. but that he probably didn't have the same devices he did back in 2017 since he was just arrested in 2021.

it may just be wishful thinking, but that's my (uneducated) 2 cents worth.
 
  • #679
Man, I still can't see either of these father and son pieces of human excrement matching BG. I just don't see it...even with less weight and younger. Even comparing to the sketch, I personally am just not seeing it.

Knowing that BG must be the murdered (as LE has said that because probably Libby's shaky video continued to record maybe in her pocket and that is when the movement "down the hill" happened while it was still recording the audio. LE knows BG is involved.

My crazy theory (more like just a guess) is that the other Anthony Shots account user was JBC.

The theory being that LE does not have enough evidence on JBC (no good DNA just circumstantial evidence) but they can lean on KAK to give him up. KAK won't give him up because JBC has other damaging dirt on KAK. JBC is the only person I have seen that resembles BG as well as we can see in the blurry images. If KAK implicates JBC, then that is enough.

I think they would have had evidence of Anthony Shots account on JBC's devices from the seizure of his phone, computer etc.. but that he probably didn't have the same devices he did back in 2017 since he was just arrested in 2021.

it may just be wishful thinking, but that's my (uneducated) 2 cents worth.

Remember its entirely possible the Bridge guy had nothing to do with it. which may explain why the FBI is changing the description of the bridge guy suddenly.

Its possible it was just someone walking in that area that day .

With what little info we have on the case, its open to speculation
 
  • #680
I find it rather odd that they never asked these half siblings if they recognized the man on the bridge .. they ask if they recognize the voice but not if the video LOOKS like their step dad or half brother.
Any chance it may be because they are considering a half sin or a cousin etc?
 
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