Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

[photographer4]

Man, I still can't see either of these father and son pieces of human excrement matching BG. I just don't see it...even with less weight and younger. Even comparing to the sketch, I personally am just not seeing it.

Knowing that BG must be the murdered (as LE has said that because probably Libby's shaky video continued to record maybe in her pocket and that is when the movement "down the hill" happened while it was still recording the audio. LE knows BG is involved.

My crazy theory (more like just a guess) is that the other Anthony Shots account user was JBC.

The theory being that LE does not have enough evidence on JBC (no good DNA just circumstantial evidence) but they can lean on KAK to give him up. KAK won't give him up because JBC has other damaging dirt on KAK. JBC is the only person I have seen that resembles BG as well as we can see in the blurry images. If KAK implicates JBC, then that is enough.

I think they would have had evidence of Anthony Shots account on JBC's devices from the seizure of his phone, computer etc.. but that he probably didn't have the same devices he did back in 2017 since he was just arrested in 2021.

it may just be wishful thinking, but that's my (uneducated) 2 cents worth.

Was JBC in or out of jail when the kid and other messages were exchanged?

 

[Prime8]

Remember its entirely possible the Bridge guy had nothing to do with it. which may explain why the FBI is changing the description of the bridge guy suddenly.

Its possible it was just someone walking in that area that day .

With what little info we have on the case, its open to speculation

Anything is possible but how would it happen that in a single video recording, man #1 is seen walking on a very long bridge, towards the girls and then man #2 comes from the other direction, telling the girls to go down the hill, just at the same time man #1 would have reached them and be totally innocent? Man #1 would have had to turn around, apparently not notice anything happening with the girls.

 

[TL4S]

I keep coming back to the same things...

L's communications with a_shots might be completely unrelated to her murder, but then it's just coincidence that exactly one week later, a second girl, who had given her address and planned a meetup with a_shots, came home to the ski mask peeper at her window. (Not to mention that, if I'm interpreting the interview correctly, both girls were at the same sleepover when L first communicated with a_shots.)

Both occurrences happened on Monday afternoons. Again, maybe just a coincidence that the Delphi killer, the ski mask peeper, the known "creator" of the a_shots account, along with the only other person living in the Peru household, ALL had Mondays free.

And, coincidentally, KAK and his dad left for Vegas the very next day after the ski mask peeper incident.

Also of note, LE stated that a_shots not only discussed the murders with one of L's friends, saying they were supposed to have met up, but LE added that a_shots continued to message L, despite knowing she was dead. All the while, by coincidence, KAK was looking up the Delphi murders, IP addresses, and DNA.

That's a lot of odd coincidences...

 

[Prime8]

This is total speculation but just a thought I had. What if the ski mask incident girl gives A_S her address. When she gets home, she realizes just how scary the situation is, that this guy may actually show up and two young girls were just murdered. What if she either saw someone random outside and got spooked or just needed a way to get out of the situation, and made up the ski masked man? This kind of behavior wouldn't be out of the norm for a teenager and would be 100% justified given the situation as she's just a child. To be clear, I'm not trying to call her a liar, I'm just thinking through things in the mind of a young person in a scary situation. Thoughts?

 

[TL4S]

This is total speculation but just a thought I had. What if the ski mask incident girl gives A_S her address. When she gets home, she realizes just how scary the situation is, that this guy may actually show up and two young girls were just murdered. What if she either saw someone random outside and got spooked or just needed a way to get out of the situation, and made up the ski masked man? This kind of behavior wouldn't be out of the norm for a teenager and would be 100% justified given the situation as she's just a child. To be clear, I'm not trying to call her a liar, I'm just thinking through things in the mind of a young person in a scary situation. Thoughts?

It's worth considering. On the reverse side of that scenario, what if L gave a_shots her address and ski mask peeper went to her house to watch from a distance, and followed them to the trails?

 

[Prime8]

It's worth considering. On the reverse side of that scenario, what if L gave a_shots her address and ski mask peeper went to her house to watch from a distance, and followed them to the trails?

I've also considered that as well. My number one theory (as of this minute if it's connect to A_S) is that someone followed them there or knew they were going to be there and there was no actual meet-up planned.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Anything is possible but how would it happen that in a single video recording, man #1 is seen walking on a very long bridge, towards the girls and then man #2 comes from the other direction, telling the girls to go down the hill, just at the same time man #1 would have reached them and be totally innocent? Man #1 would have had to turn around, apparently not notice anything happening with the girls.

And also not hear the now infamous instructions, "Down the hill!"

 

[minazoe]

He got a different phone , I doubt they have it. but if they can find it maybe.

 

[minazoe]

Was JBC in or out of jail when the kid and other messages were exchanged?

OUT of Jail

 

[Kell1]

Anything is possible but how would it happen that in a single video recording, man #1 is seen walking on a very long bridge, towards the girls and then man #2 comes from the other direction, telling the girls to go down the hill, just at the same time man #1 would have reached them and be totally innocent? Man #1 would have had to turn around, apparently not notice anything happening with the girls.

Theres a few ways it couldve happened ,

IF "BG" isnt involved, (and for the record I believe he probably is).

First Ill state that too much weight is put on the composites , and certain aspects of the video especially in this case, remember they changed it completely , once already, its from a very grainy poor quality video for only a few seconds

Early on they also remarked on the way he walked, till it was pointed out he was walking on railroad ties over a very high bridge, so that went away.

ALso I see a lot of people talking about his body type etc.. Ive recall a suspect once losing 40 lbs in just under a month , ive seen guys gain weight just as fast, the suspects height etc.. should be listed as "possible at best" so its important not to rule out a suspect because of how he looks at the time of arrest just an FYI for this discussion (not you personally)

So was BG involved ? ..Maybe, my feeling is probably, but if you want to be an investigator, you have to consider the possibility he wasn't either.

Perhaps the offender is in that area (by chance or by design) maybe he just waits till the BG walks by then makes contact with the victims, that may be the reason he had to move them "down the hill" because there was someone around .

If they weren't , why not just assault them where they were, theres a reason he had them go out of sight, he knew there was too much risk on the trail with 2 victims, but was that because he knew there were people around?

Again that cant be sliminated as a possibility.

SO if he wasnt the guy who killed thr girls , why wouldn't BG come forward? its not all that uncommon actually, and there may be a few reasons, 1) Paranoia, theres a video of him walking in an area where 2 girls were murdered, and hes considered THE suspect, perhaps he has legal issues of his own , or other legal reasons... Sounds weird, but it does happen. 2) Maybe he saw something but is afraid to come forward for his own safety 3) Maybe he doesn't care, 4) Maybe he has no clue the girls were there . 5) or maybe he was part of it , but wasn't expecting there to be a murder (IE more than 1 offender)

How the offender garnered their cooperation is up in the air, and depends on victimology, he may have produced a weapon and forced them to walk. He may have just threatened them verbally, He may have produced, credentials such as a badge and ordered them to walk, or he used some type of ruse or con to get them to comply.

Whats tough to ignore is the fact they videoed this individual walking toward them and then recorded a voice, tells me they were alarmed at some point .

I think when he (Or they) gets them where he feels safe , he acts out incapacitating one victim quickly then the other (sexual assault is never indicated) but given the statistics, it would be a safe bet.

In order to analyze a crime, you have to look at all angles, and let the evidence keep you on track.

Again I will say I believe that the individual seen walking toward the girls was indeed involved, but until an arrest is made its all speculative .

 

[FromGermany1]

I do not know the date of this picture for a fact, but supposedly it is from the end of 2014. What's striking to me is how similar he looks to the young sketch.

IMO, there is some similarity. BUT KAK has no curling hair. And I don't know, if he had this slim face like BG in Febr 2017.

TK looks partly like the sketch #1= OBG. His lower jaw (from the pic, where he is young and grinning) looks like the lower jaw of the old BG: wide, angular. IMO and in the opinion of a friend, who is very objective (as she doesn't know too much about the case) and today had a view at the pics. I agreed with her on that. TK's eyes though seem to be different to the sketch #1= OBG, I think.

 

[rebelchild]

Any chance it may be because they are considering a half sin or a cousin etc?

I don't think so because it's the owners of the podcast that interviewed the half siblings so I don't think they would know if the police are looking at anyone else. I just thought it was strange that the podcast asked about voice recognition but didn't ask if they recognized the guy in the video.

 

[Imvp2]

But I’m wondering why she reset her phone when she wasn’t yet past her…struggling for word here and don’t feel comfortable with infatuation; maybe her victimization.
Unless it really did have tech problems or KAK/ashots told her to reset. Minor point, but just curious. Doesn’t take away from what you are saying about your original suspicion of catfish.

I agree. I'm thinking KAK (as a_shots) may have told her to get rid of some conversation or pictures, advising her to factory reset her phone. KAK may have suggested she say to family that her phone is glitching and needs a factory reset. KAK suggesting this to be sure to erase his pics or conversation from her phone, just as he did his.
The families deserve justice and this heinous monster we call BG needs to be charged soon.

 

[Schatz]

OUT of Jail

And eviction proceedings against him to evict him from his address *in Peru* began in May 2020 and concluded in early September 2020, by which time he was in jail, presumably for this case*. When was this interview with KAK? August 2020? I wonder what precipitated JBC’s eviction.

I know that the Klines appear so clearly linked, and I think they likely are, but would either of them have thrown in the bridge for funsies? Maybe, I guess. IMO, JBC would have, knowing he had an advantage on that bridge.

KAK, in the LE interview I believe, alluded to his dad being practically tech illiterate aside from like FB. So that’s an interesting piece, whether true or not.

*Can someone who speaks Indiana legal system tell us what CC-185 means? It’s here in this case (see: 10/13/20 sentencing comment), and I swear I’ve seen it on other cases of his, but I have no idea what it means.

 

[Charlot123]

Googling Sandy Hook bodies is pretty awful, when the context is that the search is in the middle of a prolonged period of searching for CSAM of children as young as 3. Just typing that is sickening.

Sadly, it might mean something different. KAK is the purveyor of child . I was thinking, who did he remind me of, from this interview. I know now. Imagine a pimp. KAK has the perfect pimp mentality. Whatever the client wants, he’ll sell. KAK might be googling Sandy Hook kids’ bodies because he knows that he can “move” these photos to his buyers, too. That there is interest in dead children’s bodies in CSAM community. This is more scary. I wonder whether someone asked for such themes specifically, or it is something that is merely in trend today among pedophiles?

I wonder if someone asked KAK for this theme.

 

[Charlot123]

Whenever you see one of the following its a red flag
-Semantics
-Deflection (or gas lighting)
-Minimilization
-Selective amnesia

-When you see them ALL especially when questioning someone, let alone a deviant with a sexual interest in said victim age group , and regarding 2 homicide victims, they are directly linked to,......... your eyes should be very wide .

He is a pimp, and pimps know people’s mentality. They know women’s mentality, too, but essentially, they are all cowards. LE probably understands it about KAK.

 

[racer308d]

IMO LE could be dealing with an experienced killer who has done this before. LE has called this case complex, and with as many entities that have been involved in this investigation, I believe that to be a true statement. It seems the perp knew what he was doing and wasn't sloppy enough. Just something that crossed my mind as I drank my coffee to get the wheels going this morning. Have a good day all!

 

[Kell1]

He is a pimp, and pimps know people’s mentality. They know women’s mentality, too, but essentially, they are all cowards. LE probably understands it about KAK.

Lowlife, but i dont know if id call him a “pimp” per se ‘

Pimps usually have no sexual interest in their girls beyond what money they can provide

This is a pedophile (not like thats any higher up on the food chain)

He has a DEFINITE sexual interest in his victims , so much so that he has to pretend to be a wealthy teenage model to get their attention ..

A Pimps motives are money driven, a Pedophiles are sexual

 

[Kell1]

IMO LE could be dealing with an experienced killer who has done this before. LE has called this case complex, and with as many entities that have been involved in this investigation, I believe that to be a true statement. It seems the perp knew what he was doing and wasn't sloppy enough. Just something that crossed my mind as I drank my coffee to get the wheels going this morning. Have a good day all!

Very possible , but until the details of their deaths are released we cant be sure.

 

[Schatz]

Lowlife, but i dont know if id call him a “pimp” per se ‘

Pimps usually have no sexual interest in their girls beyond what money they can provide

This is a pedophile (not like thats any higher up on the food chain)

He has a DEFINITE sexual interest in his victims , so much so that he has to pretend to be a wealthy teenage model to get their attention ..

A Pimps motives are money driven, a Pedophiles are sexual

Or … posing as a wealthy teenage model is the fastest and easiest way to procure CSAM from tween/teen girls?