Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #145

[TL4S]

I wonder if "self-penetration" at the request of another individual could fall under "other sexual conduct". I believe there was evidence of that being solicited in the transcript if I remember correctly (barfing as I write this).

You know, upon another read, or did include penetration with an object... I just don't have any legal background so can't be sure.

 

[twall]

No need for apologies here. From the transcript, we learn that the Anthony_Shots account was also talking to MEN who were using fake accounts. KAK would ask: What do you want? The guy would tell him of his preferences. KAK said to one of them: You go first (in the sharing of CP).

If LG was infatuated with who the account represented himself to be, it's doubtful she knew he was chatting with multiple females other than her girl friend who introduced her to the account at the spend the night party. It is my impression that LG continued contact with the A_S account, up to and including the day she died.

The long-term female victim interviewed by Murder Sheet never disclosed if he was contacting others so maybe she thought he was targeting only her. She did meet with him in a park in Fort Wayne. It alarmed her that he wasn't as he appeared to be in his pictures. He became angry and asked her why she brought a friend along.
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Where is the Fort Wayne info from? I listened to the interview and K states KAK said he lived in Galveston, IN which is approx. 7 miles from Kokomo where he said he was at. There is a Foster Park in Kokomo. I know there is a Foster Park in Fort Wayne as I'm from the area but I do not think that is the location K is referring to in the interview.

Our Parks & Their Amenities

 

[Prime8]

You know, upon another read, or did include penetration with an object... I just don't have any legal background so can't be sure.

I lived with a criminal defense attorney for 10+ years, if you can interpret something in the language and it fits, you can try to use it. The bigger question would be is there precedent for that criminal act being used online. My guess is there could be. If you imagine that same thing happening in person (no physical contact made but it's done by force), I can imagine there could still be charges, especially since a child cannot legally consent.

 

[LeBlack]

This whole thing is driving me bonkers. If KAK DIDN'T do it, he's not doing himself any favors with his behavior and double-talk. If he DID do it, he's also not doing himself any favors with his behavior and double-talk.

If it was me, no matter what I actually did, I'd want to make absolutely dang sure that everyone knew I wasn't the one who killed those girls. If I had an alibi, I'd alibi myself six ways to sunday. If it was my dad that did it, I'd send my dad to the slammer. If he KNOWS who did it, and he isn't giving that info up, now that's just dumb. Because no matter what he actually did do, he'd likely get some serious leniency for helping to solve this case.

If he's one of those morons that just want to inject themselves into the case, I have zero understanding of whatever disorder out there makes someone want to jeopardize their freedom and safety to look like they were involved in something as evil as murdering kids.

He's in little jail (very cushy) with his trial being continually pushed out. He could use some time without those benefits and with rapists and murderers to help his decision making.

 

[Facinatingtimes]

Becky Patty talks about the new information. Interesting I think.

I have 13-15 year olds and I talk to them (without trying to panic them) about this stuff. I have a setting that makes them ask me before they download an app. And then I sit back and worry. There is no perfect way to raise kids. I feel they need some privacy, so I choose not to go through their phones. My heart breaks for her and that family.

 

[Yuletide]

I’ve heard nothing about Abby’s internet activity. It leaves me feeling hollow…….. that’s all I’ll say

 

[LeBlack]

I’ve heard nothing about Abby’s internet activity. It leaves me feeling hollow…….. that’s all I’ll say

Her mother wouldn't allow her to have a smartphone. It seems she had an active life, where the most interaction online would occur using someone else's device or at home. Wonder what the situation regarding computer/tablet use at home was.

 

[Yemelyan]

I’ve heard nothing about Abby’s internet activity. It leaves me feeling hollow…….. that’s all I’ll say

It's been established by her mother in interviews that Abby had some social media that was a secret (a Facebook page) that was uncovered in the immediate aftermath of the crime. Her mother said, in the podcast Scene of the Crime, that Abby had blocked her (the mom) so that she couldn't find it. Family has also stated Abby did not have a cell phone but she did have a tablet which is presumably how she accessed social media. I think, however, that the pattern we are seeing here is that even if a particular child did not have a personal account on SnapChat, Kik, etc etc, they could still be exposed to strangers through their friends' accounts at sleepovers and anywhere else that they were unattended by adult supervision.

 

[Schatz]

Where is the Fort Wayne info from? I listened to the interview and K states KAK said he lived in Galveston, IN which is approx. 7 miles from Kokomo where he said he was at. There is a Foster Park in Kokomo. I know there is a Foster Park in Fort Wayne as I'm from the area but I do not think that is the location K is referring to in the interview.

Our Parks & Their Amenities

There is a link posted back in thread 144 to the podcast episode with an italicized text that I take to be description from the podcast, though it currently just says “public park.”

I listened to the episode also and thought they had stated Fort Wayne, but now I am second guessing myself. I need to keep notes.

ETA: my apologies, I don’t know how to read the post number on mobile. Maybe I can link it?
ETA - “it currently just says” - IT meaning the podcast episode page. The thread post says Foster Park in FW.

 

[DeDee]

There is a link posted back in thread 144 to the podcast episode with an italicized text that I take to be description from the podcast, though it currently just says “public park.”

I listened to the episode also and thought they had stated Fort Wayne, but now I am second guessing myself. I need to keep notes.

ETA: my apologies, I don’t know how to read the post number on mobile. Maybe I can link it?
ETA - “it currently just says” - IT meaning the podcast episode page. The thread post says Foster Park in FW.

Even when on a phone, if you click on the post #, a link will appear. Copy it. Post it so it will link to the precise post you need.

I recall you were a bit unsettled by the particular park. I saw a post when dosing last night that said there is a Foster Park in Kokomo, too.

Hope that helps!

 

[TexLil]

Becky Patty talks about the new information. Interesting I think.

All MOO Thank you for sharing this video! Definitely recommend watching it. Libby's grandmother is a beautiful and tragically wounded soul. In addition to the emotional connection, this video had a couple of points I wasn't familiar with:

• Libby's grandmother goes through the morning of the murders in detail. It is all really interesting to hear directly from someone in the house on this topic. Once you've heard it I'd be interested in hearing what y'all think of whether a meeting was possibly planned with the girls or not.
• Libby's grandmother also seemed to indicate that until the transcripts were released the family believed that social media did not play a part in the murders. The transcripts were released without LE involvement right? That's really interesting to me. Maybe that release forced LE's hands? At the end of the video she pleads for parents to talk with their older teens and young adults about whether they encountered AS or anyone creepy online on the apps. She's doing exactly what the police asked for in their latest update. She's doing everything she can to obtain justice for her precious Libby.

Everyone needs a grandmother like Libby's in their court. MOO

 

[DeDee]

Just thinking out loud. These tips are going to be coming from young girls, who only ever interacted with A_S -the young model, not a gross perv. So slapping KAK's picture and name all over the story may be be counterproductive.

True! Authorities want to know who interacted with the Anthony_Shots account. They aren't asking who met with KAK.

In the new press release dated APR 11, 2022, it contains all of the A_S profile photos that we're familiar with: He's a stud! I hold much empathy for the real guy to have been abused in such an evil manner.

Update** Detectives with the Delphi Investigation Seek Information

The one thing about BG that KAK also possesses is that neither have a neck. Compare BG to KAK, in any photo of him, and you'll notice straight away that there is no neck of either guy.

 

[SKF8273]

I agree!

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder if there is a way someone could have hacked into Libby’s and KAK’s phone/phones, and connected them in such a way that a conversation between Libby and KAK would be reflected on the third phone?

There are sim cards that allow to get calls from two different numbers, even different carriers, to one phone. There probably are ways to connect phones in such a way that a call or text to one number automatically goes to two. I think someone working in a cellphone carrier could easily do it, or maybe a good hacker? I still think BG is not quite with it, but pretty bright. JMO. And, not KAK, although some character traits might match.

 

[Ozoner]

The one thing about BG that KAK also possesses is that neither have a neck. Compare BG to KAK, in any photo of him, and you'll notice straight away that there is no neck of either guy.

2022 KAK just looks like a big balloon filled with lard to me.

As for BG, you might be right, but isn't it hard to tell considering the way he's dressed? I'm not sure it's reasonable to commit to that statement from the few images we've seen.

Until somebody shows me a photo of KAK from prior to 2017 that shows him as much slimmer than he is now, I will continue to have a hard time seeing KAK as a match for BG.

 

[Bethan]

Becky Patty talks about the new information. Interesting I think.

First time I’ve seen this clip & I feel so sorry for this Grandma. Very sad that she feels she let the girls down.

Raising teens is no easy task……a precarious balancing act between allowing them to develop independence & trying to keep them safe.

It sounds as if she had a good relationship with Libby & they communicated with ease. They had talked about the potential dangers of social media. She trusted Libby, who was intelligent & reliable. It’s not as if she was not going for a walk alone at dusk, but with a girlfriend on a sunny afternoon.

Mrs Patty, you were raising your grand daughter well.
What happened is ONLY the fault of the perverted, evil perpetrator/ perpetrators.

 

[Thelastleg]

There is a link posted back in thread 144 to the podcast episode with an italicized text that I take to be description from the podcast, though it currently just says “public park.”

I listened to the episode also and thought they had stated Fort Wayne, but now I am second guessing myself. I need to keep notes.

ETA: my apologies, I don’t know how to read the post number on mobile. Maybe I can link it?
ETA - “it currently just says” - IT meaning the podcast episode page. The thread post says Foster Park in FW.

I think if you turn your phone sideways you can read the post number.

 

[Schatz]

I think if you turn your phone sideways you can read the post number.

Ah, there’s the trick. Thank you!
Thread 144, post 307.

 

[Facinatingtimes]

Once you've heard it I'd be interested in hearing what y'all think of whether a meeting was possibly planned with the girls or not.

When I heard her recount the morning, I felt like they wanted to get to the bridge that day. Just my opinion - she asked her sister earlier, then jumped up when her sister was leaving and offered a ride.

 

[sandy_80]

so what if this whole drama has zero connection to the murder .. and it's a random murderer that's not known by anyone ?
how much damage can this buzz cause the case and its potential for ever being solved ? especially the confused online community