Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147

[M. Kay]

In various closeups zeroing in on the video of Bridge Guy from Libby's phone, there is a distinct, definite reddish cast to facial hair. I recall comments earlier on that it appeared to be sunlight warming brown. Certainly, some men in question don't match this color. Is anyone else concerned by this? I remember hair dye was mentioned, (re head?) yet I am skeptical that BG would prep for that recording he never anticipated.

 

[carbuff]

In various closeups zeroing in on the video of Bridge Guy from Libby's phone, there is a distinct, definite reddish cast to facial hair. I recall comments earlier on that it appeared to be sunlight warming brown. Certainly, some men in question don't match this color. Is anyone else concerned by this? I remember hair dye was mentioned, (re head?) yet I am skeptical that BG would prep for that recording he never anticipated.

It does and doesn't concern me. It seems like you can get that kind of highlighting from any color between dark blond and almost black. And even some black-haired guys have red beards. Besides, while I agree that's what the video shows (one of the few things I think is clear), the picture is still blurry enough that I'd believe it showed something else.

 

[minazoe]

there are a lot of minerals in the water in the midwest, a lot of the reddish tint that shows in the sun on brown hair , comes from the rust in the water that builds up on the hair , also the sun lightens darker hair and 'exposes the red tones...

 

[Yemelyan]

That was certainly on LE's mind. When asked in August 2017 about similar cases across the US, ISP 1st Sgt Jerry Holeman stated that they looked at the Iowa murders, but neither they nor Iowa LE could make a connection. He said a major factor in that was that did not know how the girls in Iowa died.

Snipped by me....

I think Sgt. Holeman may have misspoken, was misinformed, or (maybe most likely) was caught off guard and didn't know how much he should comment about another jurisdiction's investigation.

Recent quotes from Iowa DCI make it clear that they DO know how the Evansdale victims died, but they are keeping it secret (even from the families of the victims) in order to protect the integrity of the investigation.

For reference:

The Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation says the investigation is still active.

According to the DCI, several people have confessed to the murders, but their stories didn't add up. This is one reason the DCI has never revealed the girls' cause of death.

"Everything inside of me as a husband and father would want to know that myself so that makes me want to provide that to the family while the greater evil is to let that out," said DCI agent Scott Reger.

Source: Investigators actively search for Evansdale murderer 10 years later

 

[carbuff]

there are a lot of minerals in the water in the midwest, a lot of the reddish tint that shows in the sun on brown hair , comes from the rust in the water that builds up on the hair , also the sun lightens darker hair and 'exposes the red tones...

Reminds me that back in the old days, we used to rub lemon juice on our hair before going out in the sun, to bleach natural highlights.

I think any of the people we've heard about as potential Bridge Guys could have that kind of red toning.

 

[FromGermany1]

In various closeups zeroing in on the video of Bridge Guy from Libby's phone, there is a distinct, definite reddish cast to facial hair. I recall comments earlier on that it appeared to be sunlight warming brown. Certainly, some men in question don't match this color. Is anyone else concerned by this? I remember hair dye was mentioned, (re head?) yet I am skeptical that BG would prep for that recording he never anticipated.

Maybe, BG was a fan of dying his hair every few weeks and since 2017 stopped doing that, smart as he may be. So the reddish tone of his hair may have disappeared for a long time now.
Of course, if you see BG in his clothing, you wouldn't expect him to be a modern man, who is wasting a single thought on his appearance, but who knows. Probably the disguise was very well styled to mislead. IMO

 

[minazoe]

concerning hair..JBC has had his hair short and curly on top...he has also worn it longer on top and the hair appears to be straightened either by relaxing it with chemicals or blow drying or flat ironing..relaxers will lighten the hair a little bit sometimes.. so there are pictures where he has dark curly short hair and also where he has reddish brown hair , lighter in the front..cut in a kind of Justin Bieber with a long sweep across his forehead..

everywhere we try to rule out JBC, there he is again just fitt'in right in...mOO

 

[HistoryNut]

From what I remember, BG drawing 2 was based on an eyewitness’s description. Wondering if the eyewitness saw BG with the girls, or if he just saw him lurking around. Since LE seems to be confident that the second drawing is BG, does that mean someone saw him with the girls or possibly while he was murdering them?

 

[Schatz]

From what I remember, BG drawing 2 was based on an eyewitness’s description. Wondering if the eyewitness saw BG with the girls, or if he just saw him lurking around. Since LE seems to be confident that the second drawing is BG, does that mean someone saw him with the girls or possibly while he was murdering them?

Or that they identified someone who did match OBG and moved on from him and decided to go back to the YBG sketch as the unknown and therefore likely perp? Or that the person who gave description for OBG was misleading?

 

[Schatz]

Also - I wonder if KAK was working as an informant and that’s why he wasn’t arrested until 2020 - maybe he couldn’t produce the intended result of catching the killer so they finally went ahead and charged him. Although if that was the case, one would think it would be alluded to in the LE interview. Although IIRC there was a substantial amount redacted.

 

[Schatz]

Or maybe LE “changed directions” and sketches for the sole purpose of putting their suspect at ease to mess up again all while keeping a very close tab on him.

 

[minazoe]

Or maybe LE “changed directions” and sketches for the sole purpose of putting their suspect at ease to mess up again all while keeping a very close tab on him.

there are many mysteries in this case.

 

[HistoryNut]

Or maybe LE “changed directions” and sketches for the sole purpose of putting their suspect at ease to mess up again all while keeping a very close tab on him.

I didn't think of this, but it's possible. After all, the FBI and LE are known for playing psychological games with killers.

 

[Silver_produce0]

From what I remember, BG drawing 2 was based on an eyewitness’s description. Wondering if the eyewitness saw BG with the girls, or if he just saw him lurking around. Since LE seems to be confident that the second drawing is BG, does that mean someone saw him with the girls or possibly while he was murdering them?

The latter is my exact theory. That YBG was a sketch that was either

(1) an totally unknown person that for whatever reason was not deemed to be a better suspect than OBG

or (2) a sketch initially and incorrectly thought to represent an already known witness. Realizing that this sketch did not represent this witness and was instead a different person caused LE to determine that this unidentified person is BG.

 

[Megnut]

The latter is my exact theory. That YBG was a sketch that was either

(1) an totally unknown person that for whatever reason was not deemed to be a better suspect than OBG

or (2) a sketch initially and incorrectly thought to represent an already known witness. Realizing that this sketch did not represent this witness and was instead a different person caused LE to determine that this unidentified person is BG.

Or..
.there are ypung adult women who used to be 13 and were preyed upon, coerced into sending photos and had encounters in some fashion or had been expecting to meet up with YBG. Only "knew" him in a virtual context. Moved on, grew up, never once associated their online, adolescent experience with what happened at the bridge. And LE is talking to them, hoping they'll come forward now, giving LE other pathways to investigate and convict.

Perhaps LE has information, evidence and confessions that point to one or more people, but it's spoilt fruit, thus inadmissable. Perhaps LE is searching for other victims and YBG is the link.

JMO

 

[carbuff]

concerning hair..JBC has had his hair short and curly on top...he has also worn it longer on top and the hair appears to be straightened either by relaxing it with chemicals or blow drying or flat ironing..relaxers will lighten the hair a little bit sometimes.. so there are pictures where he has dark curly short hair and also where he has reddish brown hair , lighter in the front..cut in a kind of Justin Bieber with a long sweep across his forehead..

everywhere we try to rule out JBC, there he is again just fitt'in right in...mOO

I had the impression from his Facebook photos that he spent a fair amount of time on his appearance, especially his hair.

And yeah. I try to keep an open mind, and there's certainly a lot of evidence against KAK, but...

As you say, MOO.

 

[carbuff]

Or..
.there are ypung adult women who used to be 13 and were preyed upon, coerced into sending photos and had encounters in some fashion or had been expecting to meet up with YBG. Only "knew" him in a virtual context. Moved on, grew up, never once associated their online, adolescent experience with what happened at the bridge. And LE is talking to them, hoping they'll come forward now, giving LE other pathways to investigate and convict.

Perhaps LE has information, evidence and confessions that point to one or more people, but it's spoilt fruit, thus inadmissable. Perhaps LE is searching for other victims and YBG is the link.

JMO

Good point. I hadn't even thought of that. They'd be heading for college now.

 

[Schatz]

Good point. I hadn't even thought of that. They'd be heading for college now.

Has ISP shared yet how many tips they’ve received off the AS ask? I also wondered at the time that it hit the news if they were intentionally trying to leave KAK out of it (because other people used the account), and media pieced something together which led to him (KAK) being identified.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

That was certainly on LE's mind. When asked in August 2017 about similar cases across the US, ISP 1st Sgt Jerry Holeman stated that they looked at the Iowa murders, but neither they nor Iowa LE could make a connection. He said a major factor in that was that did not know how the girls in Iowa died.

There is certainly one thing that would help. Both the Delphi trails and Seven Bridges would each seem to be known to a small group of persons. Someone familiar with both would have to be on LE's list of possibilities.

They also said that social media wasn’t involved with the girls murders and yet here we are. mOO.
IF the two cases are in fact related I’m 99.999999 infinity % sure that they won’t tell us until the perp(s) are arrested and charged. JMVHO.

YMMV.

 

[Ravenmoon]

From what I remember, BG drawing 2 was based on an eyewitness’s description. Wondering if the eyewitness saw BG with the girls, or if he just saw him lurking around. Since LE seems to be confident that the second drawing is BG, does that mean someone saw him with the girls or possibly while he was murdering th

LG had a close friend that was also following the AS account. She was catfished as well. I believe this is the girl that LG had a sleep over with when KAK decided to punish LG because she "was being annoying" by blocking her temporarily.

It is my understanding and also my opinion that the second sketch (which was actually the first one) was made when this friend did their best to describe the person that was presented to be Anthony_Shots.

At that time, IMO LE was NOT looking at this profile because they did not YET have the connection between KAK and Anthony_Shots. That connection was NOT made until 2020 when the new detective came on the scene and uncovered a LOT of new evidence that we now have.

Yes, KAK and TK had their home raided when they returned from Las Vegas.
Yes, they found that KAK had devastating connections to underage girls.

But- REMEMBER- KAK was at least smart enough to know that he had to delete EVERYTHING regarding LG on the phone that mysteriously appeared on his microwave AFTER the initial search warrants had been served and carried out.

It is my opinion that it took those 3 years for the KIK account, the snap chat connections, etc. etc. to be retrieved and for that connection between KAK and LG to be made.

The problem? They cannot place either Kline at the CS on that day because of an airtight alibi... Having said that, something tells me that either that alibi has fallen apart, one of these 2 under suspicion has finally started to crack and/or there is new evidence that can place one or both at or near the trails that day.

Of course, AMOO

Adding: https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/LOGAN-WARRANT-final_Redacted.pdf