Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #91

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  • #801
Well, now ......

"Person in first Delphi sketch is not a person of interest."

ISP: First Delphi sketch is not POI in murders

Thanks Jerrod.

"Members of the Delphi community should reflect back on people they know in the community that look similar to the sketch released on April 22, especially if that person has changed their appearance since the murders occurred in February of 2017."
 
  • #802
So are the sketches of two different people?I'm beyond really confused now.So the new sketch that just came out(the man on the bridge?) what is his description? Does he still have reddish brown hair? It looked dark and curly to me on the picture at the press conference.
 
  • #803
They could have said things in a way to clarify this for those of us watching the pc. I read initially that the current sketch was drawn by s State Trooper back in Feb 2017.....two years ago! And LE sat on that info or didn’t trust their witness then. So for two years everyone has been sending in tips about the wrong man. Very frustrating.

I could understand this case going cold quickly and I hate that.
ETA: this had to be hard on the families when they have been searching for wrong guy all this time.
I don't understand the reasoning behind not releasing BOTH sketches from the get-go IF the State Trooper did sketch it back in 2017!
 
  • #804
Yeah, I think LE suspects some level of remorse, even if only a little. I think that's why they are appealing to his moral side at the PC. I don't think the religious references mean they think he's clergy, or even that he necessarily goes to church, but maybe they're banking on him being a man a faith?
Or at the very least a man who still has a tiny bit of a conscience left. At least I think that's what Carter is hoping for.
If not him, then someone close to him, who will have the courage to come forward. Imo
 
  • #805
Bingo! That absolutely explains the emotional early departure. Being told that for 2 years they've been looking for the wrong guy must have been heartbreaking.

I think it explains the Superintendent Carter's raw emotion as well.
 
  • #806
I wonder who the man that Abby's Dad questioned about "Have you seen two girls?" in the area of the bridge, that afternoon was ?.....Would her Dad have been asked to furnish a description to LE ?....moo
 
  • #807
Could the abandoned car have been a police/business/bus vehicle that would typically require the driver to be IN it, which is why they said it was abandoned rather than just parked? Completely just a curious opinion. Could also explain why not much has been said about it.

ETA: I'm still catching up some 30 pages behind, sorry if this has been covered. Didn't want to lose my thought.
 
  • #808
As frustrating as that must have been, atleast there is a silver lining here.

With this new sketch, there is renewed hope.

It definitely shifts the focus back on people in Delphi and area, the reality that any one of them might personally know the killer. I can understand why some would prefer to imagine it was a stranger passing through, a deviant drifter such as was characterized by the likes of DN.

BBM

What Carter said rattled the room on the north side of the town of 2,877, about 17 miles northeast of Lafayette.

“I’m not sure it should have, but it surprised me when (Carter) said that – that (the suspect) was from Delphi,” said Janice Houser of Delphi. “But when he said that …”

Houser trailed off at the back of the room, surrounded by news crews from television stations from across Indiana doing live shots at the end of noon newscasts. She shook her head.”

“I’m not sure what to think,” Houser said. “I mean, it’s Delphi. It’s our home. Who would do something like that?”
Delphi murders: Is Abby and Libby’s killer one of Delphi’s own? ISP says, yes
 
  • #809
Isn’t it possible they never recovered the girls phones but got the video from her cloud or a shared device?
They said they recovered the video from her phone.
 
  • #810
It sure sounds like LE has completely ruled out the sketch #1 person and is focused solely on Sketch #2 person. Now we know what the new information is. They know who this is. moo

"DELPHI, Ind. (WTHR) — Indiana State Police are clearing up questions about a new sketch released of the suspect in the Delphi murders.

The first point made is that the new sketch is the person police are now searching for and the old sketch is no longer a person of interest."

The two sketches do not depict the same person."

State Police clear up points on new Delphi sketch
 
  • #811
Is it 3 times now that we have seen corrections for ISP's press conference? A press conference that was arranged 3 days in advance? This must be either genius or something else entirely.
It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in LE, does it? This talk about a "new direction" in the investigation reeks of desperation, IMO.
 
  • #812
Here is an illustrated hypothesis, he clearly as a button up shirt hanging out from under his jackets and over his pants, I think its part his button up, part his t-shirt and his 2 layered raincoat. possibly part of the lower white ruffle that goes into his chest is the corded string or just the collar to the second layer of the jacket.

I could be wrong but all along I just assumed he was wearing a denim barn jacket with a cuffed band on the bottom. Cuffed may not be the right word.
 
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I don't understand the reasoning behind not releasing BOTH sketches from the get-go IF the State Trooper did sketch it back in 2017!
Exactly.

Makes me feel we will have a third sketch later on. And to me, sketch #1 looks more like the bridge guy. Clearly, we don’t know who to look for.
 
  • #815
Well, now ......

"Person in first Delphi sketch is not a person of interest."

ISP: First Delphi sketch is not POI in murders

Dear Jerrod,

Thank you for sharing this with us.

This is huge!

Not only was there momentum at the press conference but utter astonishment!

Now I understand why Superintendent Douglas Carter said "We are now just beginning..." I sensed so much anger in his words and now I know why.

The sketch drawn by the police artist in February 2017 (right after the murders) was from details by a witness.

This sketch was never shown to the public or the families for two years.

I believe that now, finally, the investigation will move towards an arrest, hopefully soon.

The most important thing for them all to do is to not get mired in anger or blame, just find this monster!

I still believe, after watching the press conference, that it will be a short time until there is an arrest.
 
  • #816
IMO, this is not going well.....they admit that it is not the same person, that means they have been looking for the wrong guy and something recently has helped them determine that...that is why they are emotional and upset......imagine being the family and finding out that they are now being asked to look for someone that looks entirely different two years later.....embarrasing if you ask me....this is not out of confidence that they know who it is and at all close to a arrest.....just MOO
 
  • #817
Dear Jerrod,

Thank you for sharing this with us.

This is huge!

Not only was there momentum at the press conference but utter astonishment!

Now I understand why Superintendent Douglas Carter said "We are now just beginning..." I sensed so much anger in his words and now I know why.

The sketch drawn by the police artist in February 2017 (right after the murders) was from details by a witness.

This sketch was never shown to the public or the families for two years.

I believe that now, finally, the investigation will move towards an arrest, hopefully soon.

@zencompass : I share your hope and optimism.

As others have posted, this may have accounted for the family's and Carter's frustration.
 
  • #818
Too good to not copy and paste from a facebook poster.
4/22/2019 at 12:03
Officer Douglas Carter:

“I gotta say to the Delphi community how grateful I am. You inspire people and you don’t even understand, you don’t even understand why.

Uh, information is being released today, is the result of literally 1,000’s and 1,000’s of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts. By Delphi, Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police, and countless other agencies.

This community surrounded us some 26 months ago, and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family, of these two little girls.
Gosh, I’ll never forget it(pause). After you hear what we are going to release today I’m going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy, and compassion. As we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

We’re seeking the public’s help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS/DFS Welfare building. In the city of Delphi, that was abandoned on the east side Co Rd 300 N, next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway. Between the hours of noon to five. On February 14th, 2017(this date was change by LE to the 13th right after the statement concluded.). If you were parked there or know who was park there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

We are releasing additional portions of the audio recording, from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is One person(holding up his index finger while saying one) and Is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is Not two different, two different people speaking. Please listen to it Very very carefully(still holding up index finger).

(Sigh)We’re also releasing video recovered from Libby’s phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows the suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video, watch the su, watch the persons mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms, as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms, as being someone that you might know. Remember, he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge, the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary(staring to his right for 1.8ish seconds) as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time, leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly Is the person responsible for the Murders of these two little girls.
We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis. Or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18-40 but might appear younger than his true age.

(Long pause)Directly to the killer. Who may be in this room(1sec pause). We believe you are hiding in plain sight(pause). For more than Two years you Never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy, but we have. We likely have interviewed you. Or someone close to you. We know that this is about Power to you. And You want to know what We Know. One day you will(pause). A question to you, What will those closest to you think Of, When They Find Out YOU BRUTALLY MURDERED TWO Little girls. Two children. Only a COWARD would do such a Thing. (Staring to his right again, pause.)
(Sighs with lip curled downward) We are confident you have told someone What You Have Done(looks to his left and pauses). Or at the Very least, They Know, because of how different you are since the murders (lip curl, looks to his left. He’s starting to sweat more and wipe his face.). (Sigh, scratches head, mouth pinched. Kinda like he doesn’t know how or want to say what he’s written down?) We Try So hard to understand how a person could do something like this(close to a glare looking to his right.) to tw, to two children. I recently watched a movie called the shack(glaringly looking to his right , pause, looks to his left, eyebrows furrowed.). And there also a book that talks so well about evil, about death, and about eternity(looking down, looks left, pause, looks right, adjusts glasses).

To the murderer, I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left(looking both ways while pinching finger together, to indicate a little bit, glaring, long pause.) And I can ASSURE You That How You Left Them In That Woods Is NOT What they’re experiencing today(touches nose, visibly upset, glaring right then left with pause, curls upper lip, licks lip, looking center, looking down with same look as before like he doesn’t want to say what he has written? Shakes head, wipes face and hair.)

To the family (sigh, looking to his left), I hope that you All will give them some time(gestures to the room), because we are going to be asking that there is no media inquiry, no media response for the next two weeks. And I Hope you’ll understand why(zoom in on Carrie). The Family found out about this, about this information this morning(zoom in on family to his left.). (Biting lip) I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I’ll be thinking of them(looking down but not reading, mournful.) There’s going to be a tremendous amount of questions, I Know that, I know that, uh, never in my career have I stood in front of something like this(gestures to crowd.) Pleeease be patience with us, Pleeease. Uh, we are just beginning, we we are just now beginning(nodding, looking right.) And I can tell you now on behalf of Sheriff and police Chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period time. That We. Will. NOT. Stop.(“drop mic” walks off to left with Sheriff right behind.)”

Police Chief Tony Solcum:

“I have just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls. I’d like media to take a look at that now(whispers It’s not up, Kim.) We’re also gonna show you a video that’s not previously released and also the audio that’s additional to what’s been previously released, only a slight change on it.
Audio played. Standby for the video please. There is no sound to the video. As superintendent Carter mentioned he is on the railway bridge, you have to take different steps to get to it. This info...(blah I’m done)”
 
  • #819
I could be wrong but all along I just assumed he was wearing a denim barn jacket with a cuffed band on the bottom. Cuffed may not be the right word.
It's possible, thinner denim has that same zig zag effect.
 
  • #820
BG looks like he's wearing what we call the "Ed Gein" hat and its pretty common around here. I'm about 50 miles north of Delphi.

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His pant legs, at least partially would have been soaking wet as well as his boots. I would hope that people who were walking the trails that day are reaching back into their memories to see if they can remember seeing a guy with wet pant legs. I just can't imagine he was toting around a full change of clothes to include a set of dry boots.

I'm not in the camp of thinking this was planed out in regard to Libby and Abby but rather he wanted to do what he did and it was just the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
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