Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #91

[insatiable]

Thank you everyone for the links and suggestions. The fact of the matter is that headphones or not, looped or not, I personally just do not hear any distinct words in the jumble of noise between the clips.

I don’t hear anything either

 

[CrimeDawg123]

On the previous thread last night I was reading about how maybe the press conference was not directed to a particular killer in mind, but a profile of one. What if that is why the parents left upset/possible angry....so disappointed that there was in fact no real news after expecting a break through. Maybe LE is trying a totally different tactic to generate publicity. Let's use a sketch that could look like BG if he changed after the murders - shaved, lost weight, grew his hair - or wore a disguise. The sketch of him looking like BG is not working. Use a profile of killers - many insert themselves - and describe him very personally like it's not just a profile so people really think about who they know. Release a tiny bit more audio and video so people study it again. Be very emotional to get viewers invested. Charge people up to really think about outside of the box about who could have done this and not dismiss a friend/family member because he seemed too young, too skinny, too nice, etc. Could it all have been a ploy to drum up interest again? Or is that just crazy thinking?

I am fearful that you might be right. Although Carter was very specific to state: "I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why." No, no I don't understand why. I feel like this is either the smartest LE of all time or ? What happens if there is nothing new 2 weeks from now?

 

[JillR]

He has a lazy eye, right side.

Yes he does! And everyone is saying the chin which is also prominent! I have asked this question for a very specific reason. I hope that more people will provide insight

 

[TL4S]

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Orientation is different, but I believe these two maps together can give a decent picture of the locations we're working with.

I can't orient myself with the road systems. Looks like interstate is in one, but a highway in the other. I'll look at google maps later, but where would the car location be direction-wise on the first map?

 

[gregjrichards]

Do we know if BG left the phone behind ? I’ve always wondered about how the audio/video were recovered. Was the phone maybe disposed of somewhere ( even water ) and they were able to retrieve the files still? If it was a sexually motivated crime, the killer would have likely seen any phones underneath the girls’ clothing. Maybe the audio files were simply damaged upon recrovery and LE isn’t censoring some parts.

We don’t know anything about the phone situation law enforcement have never said.

 

[GordianKnot]

In the new photo, besides the hair what ONE or two things stands out as PROMINENT to everyone? What would a witness have made a point to detail about his face? I’m curious to know your thoughts.

Chin.

Which makes it interesting that he kept his head tucked/chin buried coming across the bridge.
He may have awareness of that being a distinctive facial characteristic.
Then again, he may have just had to keep his head down to make sure he didn't fall through the gaps in the ties, so not reading too much into that fact.

 

[cody22]

Idle Musing - If LE possibly now has a suspect, would they be able to have the suspect's phone records and location, at the time of the murders, given to them by the suspect's phone service provider, without the suspect knowing this was being done ?....moo

 

[JillR]

He has a lazy eye, right side.

Yes he does! And everyone is saying the chin which is also prominent . I have asked this question for a very specific reason. I hope that more people will provide insight

 

[Peppery]

I hear 3 beats, or footsteps through leaves, heavy breaths, wind gusts, or something’s between guys, 1, 2, 3, down the hill. I don’t hear any voices or screams. I really don’t think LE would release anything like that. They would absolutely remove it. Moo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

He has a lazy eye, right side.

I don’t think we can tell that from a sketch that could be flawed. And it seems LE would tell us that if it were a certainty or even probable.

 

[Jax49]

We don’t know anything about the phone situation law enforcement have never said.

IIRC, they did confirm they have the physical phone.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I don’t hear anything either

I don't either. And I am having flashbacks of people in trees, trucks in the creek bed, ...

 

[taylorss]

I like your reference to a machine shop. Plenty of people can hide in plain sight. A butcher at the grocery, the oil change attendant. You see this people on a fairly consistent basis, so they tend to "blend in" to their surroundings. The type of people when you see them elsewhere you get a feeling of deja vu but cant place them outside of work attire.

There’s a meat-processing plant not far away IIRC - some workers there may develop expertise in quick, emotionless killing of animals.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Did this killer get a perm to completely change up his look? Hair appears so FLAT and straight in the first sketch.... (please don't remind my son, but when he was younger I got him a perm and I swear he looked just like a little Adonis....he does NOT think so! LOL)

 

[cody22]

Yes he does! And everyone is saying the chin which is also prominent! I have asked this question for a very specific reason. I hope that more people will provide insight

The chin stands out for me....moo

 

[holtzmann]

I can't orient myself with the road systems. Looks like interstate is in one, but a highway in the other. I'll look at google maps later, but where would the car location be direction-wise on the first map?

The car's location is not visible in the first photo. In this orientation, it would be offscreen and to the lower right. In real-world terms, it's to the northwest of the bridge and crime scene.

 

[Jax49]

The chin stands out for me....moo

Agree. Other than the chin I see a lot of similarities. moo

 

[Peppery]

Yes he does! And everyone is saying the chin which is also prominent . I have asked this question for a very specific reason. I hope that more people will provide insight

I see the tip of his nose looks distinct. It looks more cartoonish than I’ve even seen a real nose. I’m NOT at all criticizing the sketch artist. But I do think the difference in quality is affecting us. I always wonder why LE doesn’t have several sketchers in the same interview, all creating their own impression of what the witness describes. I’d love to see the artist of the July ‘17 take on the other one.

 

[TL4S]

The car's location is not visible in the first photo. In this orientation, it would be offscreen and to the lower right. In real-world terms, it's to the northwest of the bridge and crime scene.

Thanks so much!

 

[insatiable]

In the new photo, besides the hair what ONE or two things stands out as PROMINENT to everyone? What would a witness have made a point to detail about his face? I’m curious to know your thoughts.

To me the biggest difference is the size of his features in comparison to the size of his head. This second sketch the eyes, nose, mouth are all much smaller on his face than the first sketch. Wider rounder face, wider neck. I think the rounder (baby face) is what is making it look like a younger person.

 

[Peppery]

Idle Musing - If LE possibly now has a suspect, would they be able to have the suspect's phone records and location, at the time of the murders, given to them by the suspect's phone service provider, without the suspect knowing this was being done ?....moo

If they had a search warrant. But there would have to be probable cause for a judge to sign off on that.

 

[Trudie]

He has a lazy eye, right side.

Astigmatism?
Very specific.
Why has he not been arrested. Someone knows him.
Is he out of the area, his location unknown?
My gosh, so frustrating.