Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #92

[MuddyTires]

The moderators and Tricia have said in the past that discussion about geocache is not allowed. I don’t want the thread to get shut down so please try not to break the rules. Thank you.

Well, to be fair to that poster, I just searched the Terms of Service, and Etiquette and Information thread, and didn't see anything barring discussion of geocaching. Where in the rules is it stated?

 

[kkdj]

Have they discounted whoever provided the “secondary” sketch? Apparently.

Do we know if a person provided the "secondary" sketch? If so, that person has probably been reinterviewed to see if any of it was suspicious (c0ver up) or just someone else they saw that day.

 

[margarita25]

I hope the thread wouldn't be shut down. We're too close imo.

Glad you think we’re close.

 

[Seattle1]

I just read the transcript of the press conference (posted at beginning of this thread) which stated the car was parked there on February 14 from noon to 5, which was the day after the murders. Did Carter really say that date or is it an error in transcription?

Carter said Feb 14 during live presser. Reportedly, it was corrected off camera. It's about 50/50 corrected in MSM to Feb 13, 2017

 

[LaborDayRN]

Ok, where can I find a list of things not to mention?

Specific to geo caching, I'm not sure. I just know because I'm an old timer! Ha! For general information you can review the terms of service, TOS. Also, on the first page of every thread there are posting guidelines & information. HTH!

 

[pepper 34]

Thank you very much! I do recall one of the entrances was officially closed not long after the murders, the second entrance I think it was, something to do with the Meeres (sp?) property but the reason why is testing my memory.

So these are access points, neither are parking lots? Because very early on there was oft-repeated rumours here on WS of at least one car of a certain colour in the parking lot. So is the only parking location close to the main trail entrance where the suspect’s car was believed to have been parked? If so, a car parked there from noon to 5pm would certainly cause suspicion and although LE claim to have a witness, surely nobody was starring at a car for five hours straight. It’s also an out of the way place for CCTV unless it was installed on the abandoned building. But that wouldn’t take this long to obtain...so maybe satellite imaging? ...a head scratcher for sure.

A few cars would be able to park at the "second entrance" but, as for a real parking lot, I think the only one is by the "main entrance."

There is CCTV by the main entrance... if BG parked by where the old welfare building was, I don't think the CCTV by the main entrance could pick up that information. However... the old welfare building parking lot is very close to the park entrance... it would be very interesting to know if that's how LE knows of the car and for how long it remained parked there, imo.

Also possible; I think maybe someone saw the car when they first arrived or dropped someone off at the park and saw it again at 5pm when they left the park or picked someone up again. And, a business person working in the area might have seen and reported the car to LE.... even someone who lives in the area might have seen.... first around noon and then later in the afternoon around 5 pm.

Finally, I think it was very purposeful for LE not to describe make, model and year of the car to the public at the conference. Anyone seeing a car parked where described, would have to describe the car to LE and only then would LE know the person really saw the car in question. Because, I agree with those who suspect some false and misleading tips have been given to LE to throw the investigation off. If that's so... then if they described the car to the public, then they could not be sure of receiving legitimate information in return. (Jmo)

ETA: I just read a comment about how it is the driver they're looking for and not for people who saw the car parked in the welfare parking lot. So, disregard that part of my comment! Sorry to confuse things... I had not read the latest...

 

[cluciano63]

Much the same as "Is the dress white or blue?"

That said, I'm one who sees similarities. I see familial similarities of two different people. I never thought it to be the same person exactly but perhaps an older version and a younger version within the same family. And I've even considered both sketches might meld together to be a completely different person because I do see similarities.

Of course, now we know that sketch #2 is now the suspect and #1 is not.

Do we know if same artist did both? That could produce a likeness though I do not see any.

 

[kkdj]

Well, to be fair to that poster, I just searched the Terms of Service, and Etiquette and Information thread, and didn't see anything barring discussion of geocaching. Where in the rules is it stated?

Sometimes rules get custom made for a case, for various reasons. I believe that is what happened here. I try to make it a point to follow them because they are put in for a reason.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Glad you think we’re close.

Keep the faith my friend! They're gonna get this guy!

 

[cluciano63]

I will probably get in trouble but really wish this site would take down the old image...not helping clear up all the confusion, imo...

 

[Auntkiki]

Very sorry. Let me see if I can delete the post.

Update, I deleted it.

It may be helpful if there was a list of these “off limit topics” somewhere on the thread. Another member told me not to post about geocaching in the past. I would have never know this was a forbidden topic had they not told me.

 

[MassGuy]

So, they have now apparently discounted the person who supposedly provided the “secondary” sketch.

Ps:
That was all suspicious too, imo, when that came out, but I figured the lack of coming forward sooner was due to fear.

Not necessarily.

This person might have seen someone suspicious, and provided an accurate description.

Something could have come to light, that made the task force discount that particular guy, and focus on the man seen by the other witness.

There are other possibilities though...

 

[MassGuy]

Do we know if same artist did both? That could produce a likeness though I do not see any.

Different artists, different suspects.

One is Bridge Guy, the other is no longer believed to be Bridge Guy.

 

[moonlessnight]

If the video isn't too compressed, he appears to have a very straight nose - I would say less like the new sketch. Also his chin looks to be almost in line with his jaw, so shorter and not as jutting as the new sketch. He does appear to have a mustache in this video, but he looks around 30, maybe younger. He has a head forward position with not much space for a long neck.

Thanks for the videos, this one really "came to life " for me, he seems more menacing and purpose driven somehow. Scary.
imo, speculation.

 

[gregjrichards]

Keep the faith my friend! They're gonna get this guy!

I’m certain of it his days of freedom are numbered his time is up.

I wonder who is under surveillance now.

 

[kkdj]

Glad you think we’re close.

I really do. Carter was so intense and (I think) feels LE got hoodwinked in their initial investigation. Their aware now and pretty upset. I think we might also be watching some obstruction of justice charges going down pretty soon.

 

[MistyWaters]

So, they have now apparently discounted the person who supposedly provided the “secondary” sketch.

Ps:
That was all suspicious too, imo, when that came out, but I figured the lack of coming forward sooner was due to fear.

No, they just say the old sketch is no longer a person of interest.
State Police clear up points on new Delphi sketch

If LE made a mistake I think it was over emphasizing the value of the first police sketch, leading people to believe it was a 100% accurate depiction of the person they were looking for. And then suddenly jumping from one image to another that’s totally different.

But maybe there’s a good reason as we’re not aware of what’s going on behind the scenes.

 

[gregjrichards]

Well, to be fair to that poster, I just searched the Terms of Service, and Etiquette and Information thread, and didn't see anything barring discussion of geocaching. Where in the rules is it stated?

Please contact a moderator they will confirm.

 

[tmar]

Went back and read the transcript, and I read a lot less into it than others than have suggested it means LE knows who the killer is, or that LE believes the killer is a clergyman or a father with girls. To me, most of what they said indicates that they they're back a few spots along the board and need help moving forward, and trying to use the odds in their favor. I hope I'm wrong and they're close to getting the killer, or that even if I'm not wrong, that the PC works magic and it prompts someone to provide information that leads to the killer.
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Edited for brevity by myself.
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If they're from the local area, odds are they have a Christian background and upbringing, and IMO, this part is trying to have it both ways - appealing to someone who may have some guilt or conscience to do the right thing or to hit at someone who has pride in feeling he exercised some sort of power over the girls or the girls' family by pointing out that he failed, as he didn't end their lives because they live on in Heaven.

Thank you Muddy.
You have worked so hard in answering so many questions.
Just great.
Will provide us with many thoughts.

 

[cluciano63]

Remember back when the biggest emphasis was on NOT looking at the hat...why was it even there? That made no sense at all.