Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #98

[BlueShoe]

If BG is a Delphi resident, I think LE have probably narrowed it down to no more than half-a-dozen suspects by now. They know he is a young male, 20-late30s in age, reddish hair, 5'6" to 5'10" (weight may be different at this point). He may also have thick, curly hair, or have changed his hair style. In a small community, there would probably not be too many males of this height (and they could scan drivers licenses to see who weighed 180-220 lbs. two years ago). The voice, while not exact, could rule out a few if they had a high-pitched voice. Therefore, either LE has a good idea looking at a few suspects, or the suspect is a visitor or worker and not a regular resident of Delphi. MOO

 

[Heaven Leigh]

Random-
You would think he would have been carrying a backpack if he was on a hunt to kill that day. -

 

[cluciano63]

There is no un-horrible way to leave the bodies of murdered young teen girls. And there is no not-brutal or horrific way to have killed them. The facts alone...that they were murdered mid-day on a hike, should be enough to furnish nightmares etc...does not need to be any more “horrific” than it already is.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I do agree.
I think he is more than likely to be a narcissist.

Imo the unsub has probably presented with psychological
/psychiatric problems from an early age. But, this may be the first time he has fully acted out the rage. I also believe his parents are well aware of his potential psychotic behaviour.

 

[Boxer]

If BG is a Delphi resident, I think LE have probably narrowed it down to no more than half-a-dozen suspects by now. They know he is a young male, 20-late30s in age, reddish hair, 5'6" to 5'10" (weight may be different at this point). He may also have thick, curly hair, or have changed his hair style. In a small community, there would probably not be too many males of this height (and they could scan drivers licenses to see who weighed 180-220 lbs. two years ago). The voice, while not exact, could rule out a few if they had a high-pitched voice. Therefore, either LE has a good idea looking at a few suspects, or the suspect is a visitor or worker and not a regular resident of Delphi.

Police said they have gone from 1100 POI to "a couple of dozen."

 

[Inthedetails]

Clothing makes it easier.

Perhaps these searchers simply wanted to verify their identities, even though they knew who they found.

It looks like her, combined with the shoe color, makes preliminary identification pretty solid.

This ain’t unusual, and isn’t necessarily indicative of the extent of their injuries.

I know, but it seems like a strange question at the moment of discovery. I can understand later, to confirm, but in the moment, it seems like searchers would know what they found without knowing the color of Libby's shoes.

As I type this, I wonder if they saw the color from the shoes, but in an obscured location so the rest of the body was not seen....so once they got confirmation of the color, they knew.

If the found the bodies before the "color," I can't imagine they needed to know the shoe color Libby wore that day.

ykwim?

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I know, but it seems like a strange question at the moment of discovery. I can understand later, to confirm, but in the moment, it seems like searchers would know what they found without knowing the color of Libby's shoes.

As I type this, I wonder if they saw the color from the shoes, but in an obscured location so the rest of the body was not seen....so once they got confirmation of the color, they knew.

If the found the bodies before the "color," I can't imagine they needed to know the shoe color Libby wore that day.

ykwim?

jmo

I dunno.

If the clothing is nondescript, or is covered in dirt or something, I can see a searcher asking about the color of a person’s shoes.

I could see them doing this even if the victim was face up, and nothing was obstructing the face.

I’m reading absolutely nothing into this.

 

[Boxer]

I know, but it seems like a strange question at the moment of discovery. I can understand later, to confirm, but in the moment, it seems like searchers would know what they found without knowing the color of Libby's shoes.

As I type this, I wonder if they saw the color from the shoes, but in an obscured location so the rest of the body was not seen....so once they got confirmation of the color, they knew.

If the found the bodies before the "color," I can't imagine they needed to know the shoe color Libby wore that day.

ykwim?

jmo

MOO they were shaken by tragic discovery, and grasped at a detail that didn't describe too much.

 

[MistyWaters]

I dunno.

If the clothing is nondescript, or is covered in dirt or something, I can see a searcher asking about the color of a person’s shoes.

I could see them doing this even if the victim was face up, and nothing was obstructing the face.

I’m reading absolutely nothing into this.

Thanks, I don’t think there’s anything to read into it either.

If anyone’s ever watched Kelsi while interviewed, she appears an extremely gentle and kind spirit. The Dr Phil show was the first time she appeared in public and she was very obviously devastated over the loss of her sister.

I feel badly for her, if people choose to twist her words into anything other than what she stated.

 

[travelbug]

I dunno.

If the clothing is nondescript, or is covered in dirt or something, I can see a searcher asking about the color of a person’s shoes.

I could see them doing this even if the victim was face up, and nothing was obstructing the face.

I’m reading absolutely nothing into this.

I feel the same way. Perhaps they found a single shoe while searching and were checking for a match. What would seem even more likely to me is that a pair (or more) of shoes were found by the water and they were expecting an answer similar to "there are no shoes". jmho

 

[Inthedetails]

Thanks, I don’t think there’s anything to read into it either.

If anyone’s ever watched Kelsi while interviewed, she appears an extremely gentle and kind spirit. The Dr Phil show was the first time she appeared in public and she was very obviously devastated over the loss of her sister.

I feel badly for her, if people choose to twist her words into anything other than what she stated.

I didn't twist her words in the slightest. What do you mean?

 

[MistyWaters]

I know, but it seems like a strange question at the moment of discovery. I can understand later, to confirm, but in the moment, it seems like searchers would know what they found without knowing the color of Libby's shoes.

As I type this, I wonder if they saw the color from the shoes, but in an obscured location so the rest of the body was not seen....so once they got confirmation of the color, they knew.

If the found the bodies before the "color," I can't imagine they needed to know the shoe color Libby wore that day.

ykwim?

jmo

I’m not sure what you mean, at the “moment of discovery” as Kelsi never said she was present the moment the bodies were discovered.

 

[neesaki]

Ok, I’m prepared to get blasted here, so go ahead, bring it on......
But I just have to say it... First off, I suppose there’s some truth to some of the posts about YouTube. But I honestly don’t watch much of that, except for some of the GH ones when I have time. All of which, btw, I have found to be very thoughtfully and very responsibly done. GH has obviously put a lot of work into what he does, and appears to have a good level head on his shoulders, and seems very conscientious.

Now Facebook ... and possibly other SM (not sure, don’t do it)..... is a whole different matter. But I learned all I need to from the Deorr Kunz case, that’s all it took to confirm for me that I need none of that stuff in my life. I’ve never seen so much petty, biased, hypocritical, ridiculous BS in one spot as a I did there. It truly made me more thankful than ever for Websleuths.

 

[mtnlites]

There is no un-horrible way to leave the bodies of murdered young teen girls. And there is no not-brutal or horrific way to have killed them. The facts alone...that they were murdered mid-day on a hike, should be enough to furnish nightmares etc...does not need to be any more “horrific” than it already is.

I agree. Finding two dead children in a peaceful park is already the stuff of nightmares.

 

[MistyWaters]

I feel the same way. Perhaps they found a single shoe while searching and were checking for a match. What would seem even more likely to me is that a pair (or more) of shoes were found by the water and they were expecting an answer similar to "there are no shoes". jmho

No, her comment had nothing to do with a stray shoe. Her response pertained to assisting in IDing, after the discovery of the bodies.

She definitely did not discuss locating of evidence on a Dr Phil show.

 

[MassGuy]

Ok, I’m prepared to get blasted here, so go ahead, bring it on......
But I just have to say it... First off, I suppose there’s some truth to some of the posts about YouTube. But I honestly don’t watch much of that, except for some of the GH ones when I have time. All of which, btw, I have found to be very thoughtfully and very responsibly done. GH has obviously put a lot of work into what he does, and appears to have a good level head on his shoulders, and seems very conscientious.

Now Facebook ... and possibly other SM (not sure, don’t do it)..... is a whole different matter. But I learned all I need to from the Deorr Kunz case, that’s all it took to confirm for me that I need none of that stuff in my life. I’ve never seen so much petty, biased, hypocritical, ridiculous BS in one spot as a I did there. It truly made me more thankful than ever for Websleuths.

Ha! I don’t think you’re going to get any pushback for criticizing the delusional Facebook idiots, who think they know more about law enforcement than law enforcement.

It’s a full blown insane asylum on there, and they tend to do more harm than good.

I don’t have the attention span to listen to GH, but I’ll take your word for it.

 

[JnRyan]

I am sure it has been discussed but could BG just have walked out of the park thru the main entrance that DG started looking for the girls at and then walked back along the Hoosier Heartland towards his vehicle parked at the abandoned CPS building and been seen by someone that assumed he was hitchhiking before he made it to the vehicle? Is this why hitchhiking was first mentioned. Did he have a backpack? It seems like a simple idea.

I've been wondering that same thing. Very early on LE asked about anyone seeing someone walking on the Hoosier Heartland and only once or twice. Then never again. A few months later we have Sketch #1. Now we have a second sketch - drawn only a few days after the murders. Now instead of a hitchhiker we're looking for someone who may have been seen walking to a vehicle in front of an abandoned building. Are we back to the person seen on the highway?
Closely related to this I often speculated that with the massive volume of tips - over 10K very quickly - could the task of sorting them lead to some confusion? And the massive size of the task force. Wasn't it somewhere between 150 and 200 personnel and many of these personnel were on loan from other localities so these loaner personnel could get some experience working a homicide? (That is, they may have not been experienced homicide investigators.) I can see a potential for confusion or a tip to be misfiled or fall through the cracks.

 

[MistyWaters]

Ha! I don’t think you’re going to get any pushback for criticizing the delusional Facebook idiots, who think they know more about law enforcement than law enforcement.

It’s a full blown insane asylum on there, and they tend to do more harm than good.

I don’t have the attention span to listen to GH, but I’ll take your word for it.

Speaking of which, FB profits from allowing a full blown insane asylum to flourish.

The reason GH may raise the ire of some is because he adds comments from time to time throughout his videos that causes me to believe he’s not about to become a FB resource. He appears to have a low tolerance level for that sort of thing.

 

[JnRyan]

Ok, I’m prepared to get blasted here, so go ahead, bring it on......
But I just have to say it... First off, I suppose there’s some truth to some of the posts about YouTube. But I honestly don’t watch much of that, except for some of the GH ones when I have time. All of which, btw, I have found to be very thoughtfully and very responsibly done. GH has obviously put a lot of work into what he does, and appears to have a good level head on his shoulders, and seems very conscientious.

Now Facebook ... and possibly other SM (not sure, don’t do it)..... is a whole different matter. But I learned all I need to from the Deorr Kunz case, that’s all it took to confirm for me that I need none of that stuff in my life. I’ve never seen so much petty, biased, hypocritical, ridiculous BS in one spot as a I did there. It truly made me more thankful than ever for Websleuths.

If you get blasted you'll probably have plenty of company.

 

[cody22]

There are lots of people in my small town who I recognize by sight, but I don't know their names.

I don't think he was from Delphi, just another town in that area, that made him familiar with that Park, and it's potential for a victim and a getaway with some planning, stalking, and luck....moo