Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #98

[Cyber sleuth]

Here is something that is bothering me. I have been focusing on this guy's alibi because I believe it's of the utmost importance. They had a sketch of the real BG two years ago. It's my opinion that someone gave him an alibi then... even though they strongly suspected he was involved (hence LE going with the sketch they released in 2017). If the alibi has been lying all this time, what gives him or her any motivation to come forward now? Its early. I'm only on my second cup of coffee. Not sure if this makes sense.

I’m a bit behind so I bet someone has answered. My hopes are that the individual that may be providing the alibi may realize they are just once tip away from being an accessory. That anything that may be gained by covering will be lost if the LE discovers they were lying.
On the other hand if they give the suspect up - the community may forgive their error in judgement.
I can understand a family member covering for him if they have high ranking social standing in the town.
The truth is it’s only a matter of time - whether it be this year or 25 years from now. The criminal and those involved will come to light.
So they can take their lumps now and beg forgiveness from the community or they can continue their deceit and ruin the family name forever.
JMO

 

[No it's not]

First time posting...
I think perhaps BG grabbed the phone from Libby and put it in his own pocket not realizing it was recording. At the conclusion of the assault he either tried to throw it in Deer Creek to destroy it or smash the phone. Not realizing what could be retrieved from the phone.
As far as what he was doing on the bridge that day--I hope this isn't too graphic. However if the white cord seen at the top of his jacket was intended for his own suicide. What a way for a depressed, angry (MOO) person to end it all by hanging from a trestle. The girls unknowingly interrupted his plan and anger was turned on them.
My speculation doesn't help solve the crime but explains to me what may have transpired.
MOO

Greetings and welcome! Regarding the phone, yes, I believe as well he may have taken Libby's phone. How could he not have noticed Libby taking picture(s) of Abby just a few minutes earlier on the bridge! He gets even more enraged, when Libby threatens him to have recorded him on her phone and that the recording was stored on the cloud! He pulls his gun and grabs Libby's phone, so he could deal with it later.

Having said that..here is what may be the TWIST in the case IMO: It is very possible, that at least one girl tried to escape (either via creek or else) and BG went through the roof. He may have incapacitated one of the girls stante pede and caught the other one shortly after, fight ensues, HE LOSES LIBBY'S PHONE unbeknownst to him at that time. He murders the girls. He realizes the phone is gone..by now he has to take off..

Consequently there would be a great chance IMO, that BG CAME BACK AND HELPED SEARCHING FOR THE GIRLS. He looks different now, but he will have a reason in case his DNA or cigarette (?) or chewing gum (?) is found. And he is looking for the phone just so to make sure it won't be found in case Libby did not upload it to the cloud..or he wants to see what's on it.

All IMO, as always.

-Nin

 

[Joolz1975]

Yes, I realized that I wrote the name of the man who found them instead of the man who murdered them, but it was too late to edit. The point remains the same, however. They're still Ian's first murders.

The question asked was very specific: name someone whose first murders were doubles. Not name someone who has other crimes in their background or was a skeevy individual to begin with. I have no doubt that, if looked into BG's background, LE will find other examples of suspicious activity if not downright charges.

Well apologies then it was me that gave the extra info on Huntley's background.

 

[rosesfromangels]

“Kelsi German helped searchers identify the bodies by the color of her sister’s shoes.

“I yelled down to them. I told them they were Lilly’s shoes,” she said. “They yelled again that they found them.”

Mike Patty, Libby’s grandfather, said the attacker somehow made the girls feel vulnerable.

“Was it a gun or a knife, was it some sort of weapon, or the girls, they would say, ‘I’m not going down the hill, are you crazy.’”

https://www.wthr.com/article/delphi...n-dr-phil-fuels-hope-that-case-will-be-solved
DEC 13TH, 2017

(This article has written “Lilly” which is obviously an error.)

Oh dear Lord in Heaven this takes me right there. The fact they used the shoe color to identify says a great deal, and not good.

I think Libby put up a good fight and I hope she injured this b@stard. As a matter of fact, look for a miscreant Coward with a big chin (now covered by a beard) and an eye injury.

I hope you got him good on the way out girls. I bet you did.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Skigh]

Maybe he resigned/retired because he didn’t agree with some aspect of the investigation. Probably not but who knows. His coming back is the only reason I have any thoughts that an arrest might be coming within the next six months. I hope he does get to prosecute it. I didn’t much care for the new guy.

Do you think it could be as long as 6 months before an arrest?
For the last 2 weeks I have been hoping an arrest is imminent.

 

[mtnlites]

Well apologies then it was me that gave the extra info on Huntley's background.

I do think it's possible that when BG is found we'll find similar stuff in his background, too. Just not sure we'll find murders.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Do you think it could be as 6 months before an arrest?
For the last 2 weeks I have been hoping an arrest is imminent.

I honest to gosh think soon. So much energy on this. He is being well hidden/protected and that in itself is cowardly and disgusting.
He’s taking his whole family down.
I do think one person will break from the pack, and report him.
Someone with a soul; a conscious.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[rosesfromangels]

I was just pondering the two sketches; one with a bulbous nose, and one with a disproportionately large chin.

Both with out of proportion features. Quite odd really. What can we deduce from that, if anything?

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Charlot123]

Thanks for posting!
Have to admit the suicide angle was also in the back of my head, glad you mentioned it.
Although in this case it is probably an unlikely scenario, but the concept of a suicidal person's whose rage at others becomes directed inwards, comes to mind...
Maybe this perp was content to just take it out on others and spare his precious miserable self.
complete speculation, imo.

He is still alive. He had so many chances, sorry. After the killings, riddled with guilt; in a year around the anniversary, at any time. No, I think, it is not going to happen.

And actually, while I know of cases of double murder/suicide (the latest I read of was that poor grandmother raising two severely autistic twin boys, alone. Her daughter committed suicide the year before. So the grandma ended up shooting the twins and OD’ed herself. She survived, poor woman. Who can blame her, it was pure hopelessness and grief), these are usually exceptionally hopeless situations. I never read about anyone killing another person instead of himself.

Has anyone?

 

[crhedBngr]

Yeah, our joke here used to be that if it's 2 people then it's "y'all", if it's more than 2 then it's "all y'all", and if they say "y'uns" then we know they're from Tennessee. (Not really. We just like to differentiate ourselves from Ohio and TN when possible.)

Kentuckian for almost 40 years and I live smack dab in the middle of it. I hear and use "you guys" or "guys" on a daily basis to encompass both genders, though.

RBBM

This is the stuff of which stand-up comedy is made.

So, this coming Monday is the official "two-week" deadline? Hoping LE has more info . . .

 

[crhedBngr]

The SK that killed my sister, killed 2 young girls his first kill.

I'm so very, very sorry that this happened to you and your Family. I can't even begin to imagine this.

HUGS.

 

[wary]

RBBM

This is the stuff of which stand-up comedy is made.

So, this coming Monday is the official "two-week" deadline? Hoping LE has more info . . .

Only the ‘deadline’ for the press to start cross-questioning the family again, in my opinion.

 

[Charlot123]

In a high-tech world, composite sketches still helping police put a face on crime

Interesting article on using sketches of suspects.

Kind of confirms what I believe...police use them when they have no other way to identify a person. I don’t believe they would issue a sketch if they knew who their suspect was. Too many problems with sketches, historically, including danger to innocent “lookalikes” etc...jmo

IMO, they should start doing 3-d rendering. Sometimes it is not the face that is distinctive, but the shape of the head, etc.

 

[Skigh]

He is still alive. He had so many chances, sorry. After the killings, riddled with guilt; in a year around the anniversary, at any time. No, I think, it is not going to happen.

And actually, while I know of cases of double murder/suicide (the latest I read of was that poor grandmother raising two severely autistic twin boys, alone. Her daughter committed suicide the year before. So the grandma ended up shooting the twins and OD’ed herself. She survived, poor woman. Who can blame her, it was pure hopelessness and grief), these are usually exceptionally hopeless situations. I never read about anyone killing another person instead of himself.

Has anyone?

No I have never heard,or think ever will hear of such a scenario.
But I am concerned if B G now feels things are closing in on him he might take this way out.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I’m a bit behind so I bet someone has answered. My hopes are that the individual that may be providing the alibi may realize they are just once tip away from being an accessory. That anything that may be gained by covering will be lost if the LE discovers they were lying.
On the other hand if they give the suspect up - the community may forgive their error in judgement.
I can understand a family member covering for him if they have high ranking social standing in the town.
The truth is it’s only a matter of time - whether it be this year or 25 years from now. The criminal and those involved will come to light.
So they can take their lumps now and beg forgiveness from the community or they can continue their deceit and ruin the family name forever.
JMO

Well said!

 

[Charlot123]

Then again, I see too many times, on tv and news reports of someone killing their friend,family member,girlfriend and Mom is on tv denying loudly that their child had anything to do with it. The Chris Watts case comes to mind....his mother will never admit that her little boy did anything wrong. It would take a lot of courage and REAL love to turn someone in that has done something so heinous. Yet, it is the right thing to do.

You know, it CW’s mom just denied it, said she could not believe it, blamed NK, even, I’d feel sorry for her. She is a mom, and she lost her grandkids, too. But she was trying to blame SW. This is very different. While I believe the Wattses did not have the greatest marriage, SW did nothing to deserve such a horrible ending.

 

[book-thinker]

I don't think this is his first "time". By that I mean it may have been his first murder, but not his first hunt (or stalk). The video of him on that bridge appears to me, that he is on a mission. He knows in his head what he plans on doing, he has had these thoughts before. I believe he is carrying tools of evil in his jacket, he is stalking the girls, and he commits his evil act quickly. This is all my opinion. Don't know if he had these two specific girls in mind, or went to that location looking for any opportunity.

Which also, IMO, is that he was familiar with the area. I don't feel he was living there presently (Delphi), but he did at one time, traveled there often because he used to live there or visited often. IMO, it would be normal for him to be in and out of Delphi, so leaving town and out of sight/mind would not be suspicious.

All my opinion/theory.

I agree he no longer lives in Delphi or the surrounding areas. He quickly crossed the bridge this shows he's familiar with the layout of the woods to leave unnoticed after murdering the girls.

Did he killed the girls in a fit of rage or was this a withdrawal from reality and he killed for the first time. I feel he's killed before, a unsolved murder in a different state. He is a stalker and a hunter in the true sense of the words.

 

[Andreee]

Thanks for this link. I don’t remember seeing this before.

I never saw this either! I wonder too what he reported.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I never saw this either! I wonder too what he reported.

It has never to my knowledge been shared what he reported.

 

[HockeyMom330]

I recently read a Law Enforcement Today article in which a former cold case homicide detective argues that there are only 3 motives for crime/murder:

1. financial greed
2. sexual/relational lust
3. pursuit of power (includes sense of respect, authority, embarassment, prestige & control).

In the presser Carter made it quite clear that LE believes that this case is about 'power/control' to BG. I'm wondering how that would be possible to know without LE knowing the psychological makeup of BG (hence, knowing his identity an having investigated him). Was it simply a process of elimination (no signs of robbery or SA)? Was it something about the way the bodies were left? Something he said in the audio captured by Libby's phone?