Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #98

[cody22]

Then why offer a reward?

Think harder

Back in the early 80's Gordon Kahl was turned in by the daughter of his friend, who was hiding him out in Arkansas, for a 20 or 25 grand reward.....moo

 

[No it's not]

Another ISP flyer sent out today:

 

[moomoochops]

Here's a graph that shows average age of murderers in 2017.
By far, most perps were in their 20's.
Murder in the U.S.: number of offenders by age 2017 | Statistic

Most were over 75

 

[margarita25]

It is hard to "scroll and roll" past a good catchy loud BRAINFART post....LOL !....moo

Yeah right!? Like when you tell someone “Don’t look now but..”

I typed that eta quickly before a thousand posts came in for correction—I did want to retain the question for a link request though, as also the “jist” of the post relating to the possibility of an attempted previous SA.

 

[JustEve]

I agree.
We've talked a lot about this already. Many of us here believe
they have talked to relatives of perp but because of their social
standing in the community or relationship with victims' family,
that they misteered the search in another direction.
Lots of us here agree with what you said.
We also believe LE now realizes their mistakes and are ardently
trying to "start over" and pursue the correct course.
But they need hard evidence to go this direction, which is
exactly what was said in pc.

Yes, I have read it in this thread. Although I don´t expect his family to be high social class- it is just a hunch, I can´t explain.

He seems like a loner to me. I wonder if he has a family at all- there´s something about him, kind of a "vibe" of a lone, maladjusted wolf.
This head/ face pointed downwards with no reason at all...

Also, I must admit I don` t think that LE has any idea on who the bridge guy is.

The press conference was very emotional, compassionate and moving- I was deeply touched by Carter´s stance and words, I think such a fine officer is hard to find- but I think he doesn´t have any idea who the BG is.

As for all this religious overtone, I guess it was there as the mean of consolation for all of them, nothing more.

Touchingly beautiful, sad sentence about the girls left in the woods but now not experiencing the horror of it anymore sounds just like a consolation for a believer facing the worst nightmare ever.

And the conference itself bears uncanny resemblance to the mentioned book "The Shack".

 

[enelram]

Here's the list of more details on ages that most serial killers
started killing. Again, by far, most started in their 20's.

Serial Killers - What Age Do They (Usually) Start Killing?

 

[moomoochops]

Most were over 75

Sorry, most were “unknown”. Just read the tabulated data rather than just viewing th chart.

 

[ab01]

Most were over 75

I think you are misreading the graph most were unkown....

 

[susiQ]

Then why offer a reward?

Think harder

Joe and Patty Rockstahl in the Kelsey Berreth case. Just off the top of my head. They of course would deny that was the motivation, seeing they just wanted to do the right thing, EXCEPT they didn't. They knew a murder was in the making and they did absolutely nothing until a reward was offered and LE were going to find out they knew weeks in advance of poor KB's murder. There's one

 

[MuddyTires]

Wonder if this deviant had stalked Libby for a while. Maybe
pursued her romantically and she rejected him and he was
out to get her that day. ??? Abby was collateral damage to him.
Quite often these types do stalk and plan. I'm sure FBI
knows.
Again, maybe a clue to religion and Libby's church activities?
Wasn't Delphi United Methodist Church her family's church?
I hope they're zeroing in on this possible link.

Curious as to why it seems people think Libby would have been the one he was after instead of Abby?

 

[Charlot123]

DELETE BRAINFART/ disregard this post!!!
I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before, but a thought re: this original sketch now released as being THE sketch, and as the panel sketch artist said on HLN, “the face of the investigation”:

What if there was an attempted sexual assault or actual SA on someone before the girls’ murders occurred? Maybe the victim just now feels strong enough to come forward. Just a thought. This of course is not online with what was suggested on the BCWC podcast, to which I still haven’t listened. (Could somebody please provide a link for that again? Tia.)

Delete BRAINFART. The sketch was produced earlier—- NEVERMIND

BBM. What if a while before he had consensual sex, (with a poorly known partner?), but the person let his guards down and attempted to try something he enjoys, and it scared the other person.

Two years later, she might have put two and two together, and alerted the LE about strange experience, or "weird" feeling. And some details matched what was known only to LE about the Delphi murders.

As to DNA, the crime scene was contaminated, but if his DNA is found there and he had no reason to be at the crime scene, then it would be suspicious.

 

[margarita25]

Another ISP flyer sent out today:

Thank you, No it’s not, I am posting this over in the media thread as well. Do you have a url for this release so I may copy and paste it’s contents in text form? Tia.

Also, while I’ve got you on the line, would you happen to have a source link for the “leaf image”? Thanks in advance.

—-
Embedding within thread:

 

[harvgr81]

Another ISP flyer sent out today:

Hmmm Well with this it seems they are still looking for info. I was really hoping for something signifcant either today or tomorrow. So does this mean the family are available to the press now.

 

[wary]

Here's a graph that shows average age of murderers in 2017.
By far, most perps were in their 20's.
Murder in the U.S.: number of offenders by age 2017 | Statistic

I’d guess that a graph that eliminated gang-related murders would skew older.

 

[Charlot123]

Yah If they had a detailed Parabon rendering they would absolutely release it to try and help identify this guy

They have already hinted that they have some form of dna, there is no reason to keep it a secret if it could help to identify this individual

My hunch is that the dna they have is of a poor quality and not good enough to do a parabon snapshot

JMO

Not necessarily. It may be too good. But they are tying up all loose ends and hence, released "something" like it and hinted at the perpetrator, "we know it is you". Too good of a sketch might lead to the mob taking law in own hands, the tensions are high.

 

[MistyWaters]

Well, today is two weeks. Does anybody expect to hear anything of importance or interest today about the case from LE?
I don’t.
I am interested to find out if the families will comment on the investigation’s new direction either today or tomorrow.

When the families do speak out, it’ll be to reinforce LE statements already made during the Press Conference. JMO

 

[susiQ]

Newspaper headline one day soon:

Carter Nabs Coward of Carroll County

Thinking positive

OMgoodness! That would be the best headline of all. Hope some local journalist is following on WS

 

[ab01]

Not necessarily. It may be too good. But they are tying up all loose ends and hence, released "something" like it and hinted at the perpetrator, "we know it is you". Too good of a sketch might lead to the mob taking law in own hands, the tensions are high.

I'm not sure there would be a need to play that game if they knew who the perp is and had evidence to prove it

And I don't believe that they would

I think the current sketch is the best that they have and is being used to identify a potential POI

JMO

 

[JSolt1210]

Is it just me or is this really weird? A sketch is done 3 days after the murders from a witness, but it isn't released. But hey, let's go with the one 5 months later because surely her recollection must be more accurate/reliable? Then two plus years on, LE are now absolutely certain the first sketch made is THE killer, but strangely, the sketch looks nothing like the BG Libby captured on her phone. Makes me go HMMMMM. JMO.

Thank you so much for putting it like this! I agree with you 100%.

This is exactly why I feel stuck and with nothing more to offer this case. To me, the original, five-months-later sketch looks more consistent with BG, at least as he was captured on the released video, than the new, 3-days-after sketch. And the voice, at least as it was captured on the released audio, sounds to me like that of an older male, again more consistent with the original sketch than with the new.

I just can't un-see or un-hear it.

If LE were saying that the man in the video may or may not be involved, then I could accept it, but that's not what's being said, is it? So if LE believes they have more reason to go for the man in the new sketch, then I have to give up and yield to them, since they have more information than I do.

 

[wary]

Not necessarily. It may be too good. But they are tying up all loose ends and hence, released "something" like it and hinted at the perpetrator, "we know it is you". Too good of a sketch might lead to the mob taking law in own hands, the tensions are high.

Or it might be the opposite. Parabon sketches are wonderful if LE has absolutely no idea what the perp looks like. If LE has what they believe is a good sketch made from witness information, it might be as good or better than the Parabon sketch.