Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #99

[margarita25]

So I came across this while reviewing another case here. Could this be why the Chief said what he said because they may know the family but not the specific family member:

Police identify killer in 47-year-old cold case murder of ISU student

Snipped "In 2009, familial DNA testing was requested, but it was never approved.

In 2017, the Indiana State Police lab used advanced DNA testing to indicate the suspect had brown hair, brown eyes and medium complexion.

A composite of what the person might look like was then developed.

In 2018, a DNA sample was used to try and match DNA submitted to genealogy companies. It came back with a potential family that the DNA might have come from."

This article shows the similar type of rope I think is in BG’s jacket (white):

 

[ab01]

This article shows the similar type of rope I think is in BG’s jacket (white):

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Thats some bionic eyes Margs

 

[Boxer]

IDK but keep in mind that property is aprox 5 miles on the other side of town.

Likely ended up not related and I believe LE has said as much, unless something has changed that I'm not aware of

I wonder would they go there at all.
IIRC the search was for something small, maybe a backpack?

 

[margarita25]

Thats some bionic eyes Margs

Lol, not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not haha but this is nothing different from what I’ve said since the beginning that I think this is JMO. I’ve posted similar pictures of rope before.

 

[ab01]

I wonder would they go there at all.
IIRC the search was for something small, maybe a backpack?

LE definitely went there and I believe they said it was based on a tip and that they found that it ended up not being related. as in a false tip IIRC

going off of 2yr old memory

 

[ab01]

Lol, not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not haha but this is nothing different from what I’ve said since the beginning that I think this is JMO. I’ve posted similar pictures of rope before.

Nope no sarcasm at all, I just can't make an educated decision

Although I can't make an educated decision about much of what people have seen, bc I think alot of what people are seeing are blurry shadows and pixels.....JMO

 

[susiQ]

they've already said they have dna

Yes, I know, I posted the video, but there are many here that do not believe they do, saying that all that's being said is there is DNA but not that it belongs to BG and even if they do, it's probably not enough or of poor quality.

 

[Charlot123]

I think what you are seeing is due to the movement and trying to get a still shot frame from the video. I don't know the lingo but it's due to the movement. The video was zoomed a lot since she was so far away, but then to take still shots from it they are even lower definition.

Here is an interesting article that is unrelated to the topic but maybe, a new idea.

“Visual intelligence division” in Israel employing youths with autism and good visuospatial skills.

The Israeli Army Unit That Recruits Teens With Autism

What if one could send them the video? They see patterns that no computer, no quality image can see.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, I know, I posted the video, but there are many here that do not believe they do, saying that all that's being said is there is DNA but not that it belongs to BG and even if they do, it's probably not enough or of poor quality.

No one can understand why, if they have the DNA, and the car, and the heinous crime, they can not make the arrest.

 

[carbuff]

Because it's just not that simple.

 

[Cherokee]

I'm sorry about the double post.

This is in response to Cherokee re DNA. Respectfully, I disagree that that is always the case concerning DNA automatically equaling an arrest. DNA only cases have been challenged recently. There is a case pending at the state supreme court level...can someone help me out, I'm drawing a blank on the case name? It's a case in the midwest, Wisconsin or Michigan, I believe. The man committed the crime(s) in Wisconsin but was arrested in MI, IIRC??? Some states have ruled that DNA alone is not enough to arrest. These challenges have come about because DNA advances are so rapid, with the multiple ways of using DNA that you referenced (sounds like fascinating work, btw) and being able to test such a minuscule amount of touch DNA. I don't know if they have his DNA. I'm just saying that depending on the type of DNA, they may need corroboration.

JMO.

I'm sorry, but I don't remember posting that DNA automatically equals an arrest. Could you quote the message where I said that? Thank you in advance.

My point regarding DNA (as the discussion went last night) was that adoption would not hinder finding someone/the perp if he was now known by another name. IF LE truly has enough DNA to run familial/autosomal DNA tests and have forensic genealogists build trees, then eventually, the person will be identified. They will know who is it. I never said he would be arrested.

Perhaps, in my late-night posting, I did not make that clear?

Just because a person can be identified does not mean there will be an arrest. In fact, I stated on post#99 of this thread:

JMO.

This is SO TRUE!

As any good investigator knows, it is the totality of the case that is important ... not just any DNA, not just a weapon, not just witnesses, or any other evidence. It has to be the whole package.

 

[Charlot123]

I think the only way the killer could be confident he left no DNA was if he killed them with a long range rifle sniper-style!

With that said, I'm not convinced they have DNA from the killer.

Or if he cleansed everything.
If the killing had sexualized motives, he did leave DNA, somehow and somewhere.

 

[TTF14]

I think they do have DNA, but they'd like the perp to think they don't, therefore, they keep saying things that are ambiguous. He may let his guard down that way. But, I still think he's burning his trash anyway JMO

ed:gr

Another thing to be on the lookout for (for locals).

 

[TTF14]

they've already said they have dna

But from whom? They did not specify.

 

[pepper 34]

If anyone can see even the tiniest possibility of what I'm seeing, I'd be glad to share where I think I see the outline of the 2nd person.

I'm only using the photos of BG that are from LE because, you're right about others enhancements, etc... some even have BG's legs stretched to make him look like he's 6 foot-something and others where he looks like a squat, little fire hydrant.

Also, what nobody can do (even the FBI's resources) is get rid of all the "pixel distortions." Even LE's photos are distorted very badly imo. I can see a double, haze-like outline at times especially around his right side... his head, neck and shoulder area when he's taking those few steps we are allowed to see... but I know it's just pixel-mischief at work. Remember also that the sun is at his right and his left is more in "shadow" from the sun and that will increase the pixel distortion, too.
(Probably "pixel distortion" is the wrong term here... but hope you know what I mean.)

 

[No it's not]

Afternoon all....I have been reading for days and days because I have finally figured out I can not skim over ANY of your fantastic posts. This horrible crime has attracted the best of sleuths (Am's and Pro's) and for a very good reason. Nothing about the commission of the crime makes sense. But it does make sense the girls walked into his "kill zone" and he pounced. (Slithering snake that strikes quickly?) But I digress. I "think" LE knows or has documented (video, dash cam, appt log, grocery receipts etc) evidence of where the car was for the time leading up to 12pm, NOTHING TO DOCUMENT 5 HOURS and then starts up again at 5pm!!! I think the times police are asking for are very specific. Those are the only hours that the vehicle has not been seen or documented as being in other areas of town or picked up on some other video equipment. I'm thinking the car is 10 years or older and did not come equipped with a factory installed GPS system, and yet not so old or unique that it would jump out to the casual viewer. (Ie....wouldn't we all recall if we saw a Zimmer or a tricked out muscle car in the area? I'd probably even take an extra look at the driver.) Too ironic, even his car can hide in plain sight, huh? And lastly (oh sure, like I ever adhere to "lastly"...)
there had to be a lot of evidence in that car trunk.... if one had robbed a bank, do you think the robber would leave his loot and tools in the front seat for any significant length of time?
Shout out to M25 and NIN...you guys always rock!

Hey IQ! Good seeing you! Hope all is well.

-Nin

 

[Cherokee]

My point is, we should always look at the totality of the evidence and not hang our hat on one thing.

Yes! Exactly what I said last night, post #99 of this thread. It is the totality of evidence that is important, not just DNA.

 

[margarita25]

Here is an interesting article that is unrelated to the topic but maybe, a new idea.

“Visual intelligence division” in Israel employing youths with autism and good visuospatial skills.

The Israeli Army Unit That Recruits Teens With Autism

What if one could send them the video? They see patterns that no computer, no quality image can see.

Wow! That is a very interesting article!

 

[ab01]

Here is an interesting article that is unrelated to the topic but maybe, a new idea.

“Visual intelligence division” in Israel employing youths with autism and good visuospatial skills.

The Israeli Army Unit That Recruits Teens With Autism

What if one could send them the video? They see patterns that no computer, no quality image can see.

I think you may be misinterpreting the context of that article.

They are finding those with autism are exceptionally skilled at spotting a pattern of distracting movement

Such as combing an area of ground for suspicious activity etc

not sure how that relates to this case?

 

[susiQ]

No one can understand why, if they have the DNA, and the car, and the heinous crime, they can not make the arrest.

Because I don't think it's wise to rush into an arrest. You want to nail it. The DA wants LE to nail it. No one would want to risk an acquittal or mistrial. Supt. Carter made it clear, they are just beginning. That doesn't necessarily mean they have nothing. In fact, they've had their AH HAA moment and things are falling into place. But to make a strong case for conviction, they need to take their time and cross all their t's and dot their i's. That takes time. Look at what happened in the Rhoden massacre. Over two years and only late last year did they get that crucial piece of the puzzle that led to four arrests, actually six, two for a lesser crime. They know what they're doing, IMO.