IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #13

[JJ007]

I don't think you can post names

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I would never do that. It's a very high up Executive role.

 

[LadyL]

I'll drink to that! :laughing:

(Ok, I'm starting a new game. Everytime someone asks "who is BG?" you have to drink.)

 

[Dogface]

Locals: Are there any senior living homes or assisted living apartments in Delphi?


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[fred&edna]

(Ok, I'm starting a new game. Everytime someone asks "who is BG?" you have to drink.)

'It'll be more fun if I start...

Who is BG? Who is BG? Who is BG?

 

[Dogface]

And on a side note, I feel we owe the mods gift cards to Starbucks for all the extra work they are doing, and gift cards to the liquor store to unwind. Jeez Louise.


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[Claudette]

Just a random idea - perhaps he got them to follow him due to a story like he was walking his dog and the dog ran off. The dog went "down the hill" from the platform, which is why they went with him willingly and why his voice is so casual in the recording, and why he walks so casually in the stills. Liberty was recording Abby and he happened to show up in the background, she left it recording when he approached them because her camera was already recording and she felt like just being extra cautious because it was one lone adult male, but everything was fine until they got to the bottom of the hill.

 

[jjhoward33]

A woman who was at the bridge commented on a Facebook post by a family member of one of the girls, saying she had been at the bridge shortly after the girls posted the photo. She said she didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary.

“I even walked all the way across the bridge and back. I only (saw) a guy when I first got there and another couple once I got on the bridge,” Cheyenne Mekisha Engles wrote. “I didn’t see the girls at all. I also didn’t take the trail that leads to the right. Only took the trail that lead to the bridge.”

http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/liber...ssing-snapchat-facebook-photos-family-bridge/

See I keep coming back to this.

So she was on the bridge after 2:07. Sounds like she saw a man when she first got "there"- meaning the trail? The bridge? She walked across and back. And she saw a couple when she got on the bridge- I wonder where? Also on the bridge?

I wish we had more info from her.

All imo!


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[jjhoward33]

Do most homes have fireplaces? I'm in Texas, it's 62 and I have my fire going. When people are talking about him being overdressed...at 42 degrees I'm in a parka.


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Delphi has a lot of older homes so i would guess quite a few have fireplaces.


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[Deleted member 278]

Is there a press conference transcript?

 

[dredre]

We have been waiting several months for an update on the Bevers case on WS......who knows what Delphi's LE is planning

whoo hooo....I hit 1000:rollercoaster:

Hi Oregonmama! At least the thread was finally opened back up. I've been thinking all day about how they had video with that case also and hoping that the case doesn't go cold here. When there is no new info released for a while it can go down some strange rabbit holes. Hoping the DNA that was sent out brings some info for LE or they can receive a solid lead.



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[IndependentFeed]

Rural Indiana native here. I agree with what another user said, many if not most small town Indiana people dress like this guy aged 30+. Once you grow out of your hip-hop, goth, punk, whatever.. phase and get too lazy & unmotivated to try to look cool or edgy, you throw on a generic pair of blue jeans, a random hoodie and/or a jacket and said **** it ... I'm a bumpkin and I give up trying to look cool. Are those jeans and that sweater clean? Okay then I'll wear it. That's the extent of thinking that goes into getting dressed. Thrift stores are often where people get clothes because hey, you're just going to get them dirty working on your car or doing something outside anyways so might as well get something cheap. If you are one of the few who really think its important to look cool, you move to Indianapolis, Chicago, Seattle, etc and don't stay in a town of 3000.

If you're a man 30+ in a town like this and are really stylish or particular it's kind of like.. why are you trying so hard to look cool? Who are you trying to impress with your city boy / metro / hip-hop attire? No one in these towns cares about fashion especially when it comes to men. The pictures to me give very little clues because almost every potential suspect you'd imagine looks like him. 30 to 50, average height, average build, generic bumpkin clothing. Just a random white dude in a town full of random white dudes. (No offense to random Indiana bumpkin white dudes, I'm one myself). Seems like the only way this photo could be effective is if someone saw him wearing that *EXACT* clothing on that exact day. Or is so intimate with the guy that they see his posture in a way others wouldn't pick up on in the "lightbulb" going off, makes your heart race kind of way. Problem with that is he is almost certainly a loner. Maybe has one or two friends and those one or two friends are probably hyper loyal or go weeks without interacting with the guy and wouldn't know what he was wearing on that specific day.

The voice, if it's the same guy makes me think he's more like 45+ years old, sounds like a central Indiana native. (Northern Indiana people have less of a southern accent than he does and Southern Indiana have much stronger southern accents typically).

So what do we really have to work with? We know a generic guy who may be involved was on the bridge at the same time as the girls. They ended up dead Southeast of the cemetery near by. Based on what I've seen, the guy approached them on the south side of that bridge. That's a 1000ft walk BACK across the bridge to get to the other side, a bridge which one wrong step and you're dead. Why does a guy who is apparently so good at going unnoticed talk the risk of holding 2 people hostage on that bridge, force them back across when at any time another hiker could pop out of the north side and catch him when he could have just went south across the bridge into the woods there? What if the girls went back across the bridge on their on free will, went east through the woods near the cemetery out of boredom and someone was parked at that cemetery either visiting or lurking through the woods? I have a hard time believing one guy could or would take them from the south side of the bridge, back across then through the woods. It just doesn't make sense & is way too risky. He could have also followed them back across the bridge unnoticed then caught up with them as they went into the woods. Something about that cemetery being so close by just makes me think it has to be related. Quick access to the bridge, quick access to US 25 and if the girls were hiking through those woods when someone happened to be there, he or they might have heard / seen them there.

Hopefully that's not too speculative, I'm new to this site but can't get this case out of my mind. It's shattered the sense of safety we have and trails like these were a big part of my life growing up, now I fear the next generation isn't going to be able to enjoy them like we did. This guy or guys needs to pay.

TLDR; We need more evidence made public in this case or a DNA match. Maybe the killer(s) parked at the cemetery near by. The guy looks and sounds like a LOT of people from central Indiana.

 

[EyeCandy]

There seem to be sex offenders who have used the "be a model for me" "pose for pics for me" as a ruse to get victims I have read a crimslam blog just now about one who used that as a way to get his victims He also wanted them to pose near water or beach This dude was released from Indiana prison years ago as "cured"

 

[Lamima]

I thought BG meant Bad Guy... which happens to work too.

 

[LadyL]

Great first post and Welcome! :thewave::thewave:

Rural Indiana native here. I agree with what another user said, many if not most small town Indiana people dress like this guy aged 30+. Once you grow out of your hip-hop, goth, punk, whatever.. phase and get too lazy & unmotivated to try to look cool or edgy, you throw on a generic pair of blue jeans, a random hoodie and/or a jacket and said **** it ... I'm a bumpkin and I give up trying to look cool. Are those jeans and that sweater clean? Okay then I'll wear it. That's the extent of thinking that goes into getting dressed. Thrift stores are often where people get clothes because hey, you're just going to get them dirty working on your car or doing something outside anyways so might as well get something cheap. If you are one of the few who really think its important to look cool, you move to Indianapolis, Chicago, Seattle, etc and don't stay in a town of 3000.

If you're a man 30+ in a town like this and are really stylish or particular it's kind of like.. why are you trying so hard to look cool? Who are you trying to impress with your city boy / metro / hip-hop attire? No one in these towns cares about fashion especially when it comes to men. The pictures to me give very little clues because almost every potential suspect you'd imagine looks like him. 30 to 50, average height, average build, generic bumpkin clothing. Just a random white dude in a town full of random white dudes. (No offense to random Indiana bumpkin white dudes, I'm one myself). Seems like the only way this photo could be effective is if someone saw him wearing that *EXACT* clothing on that exact day. Or is so intimate with the guy that they see his posture in a way others wouldn't pick up on in the "lightbulb" going off, makes your heart race kind of way. Problem with that is he is almost certainly a loner. Maybe has one or two friends and those one or two friends are probably hyper loyal or go weeks without interacting with the guy and wouldn't know what he was wearing on that specific day.

The voice, if it's the same guy makes me think he's more like 45+ years old, sounds like a central Indiana native. (Northern Indiana people have less of a southern accent than he does and Southern Indiana have much stronger southern accents typically).

So what do we really have to work with? We know a generic guy who may be involved was on the bridge at the same time as the girls. They ended up dead Southeast of the cemetery near by. Based on what I've seen, the guy approached them on the south side of that bridge. That's a 1000ft walk BACK across the bridge to get to the other side, a bridge which one wrong step and you're dead. Why does a guy who is apparently so good at going unnoticed talk the risk of holding 2 people hostage on that bridge, force them back across when at any time another hiker could pop out of the north side and catch him when he could have just went south across the bridge into the woods there? What if the girls went back across the bridge on their on free will, went east through the woods near the cemetery out of boredom and someone was parked at that cemetery either visiting or lurking through the woods? I have a hard time believing one guy could or would take them from the south side of the bridge, back across then through the woods. It just doesn't make sense & is way too risky. He could have also followed them back across the bridge unnoticed then caught up with them as they went into the woods. Something about that cemetery being so close by just makes me think it has to be related. Quick access to the bridge, quick access to US 25 and if the girls were hiking through those woods when someone happened to be there, he or they might have heard / seen them there.

Hopefully that's not too speculative, I'm new to this site but can't get this case out of my mind. It's shattered the sense of safety we have and trails like these were a big part of my life growing up, now I fear the next generation isn't going to be able to enjoy them like we did. This guy or guys needs to pay.

TLDR; We need more evidence made public in this case or a DNA match. Maybe the killer(s) parked at the cemetery near by. The guy looks and sounds like a LOT of people from central Indiana.

 

[margarita25]

Sigh, looks like we can't do Rossmo yet:

"Hi *******

I thought I'd drop you a line about the case of Abigail and Liberty, there is a huuuuuge manhunt here in the US for the murderer of these girls, we could really really use some help if you have any time. I've been asking for 10 threads now if anyone knows Rossmo...anyway, no pressure, hope its ok to ask, would really appreciate it if you have any time to help. Sorry if I'm not clear, we have been pulling allnighters for 2 weeks trying to find this guy.

Regards,
M25

Hey there,

Hope all is well. Thanks for your message. This case hasn't made the news in Oz so I hadn't heard about it. Tragic for all concerned. I've just read a cpl of stories about the girls and from what I gather the only known relevant locations are the bridge and the disposal site, and I guess where the picture of that guy is. Is that the same bridge they were dropped off at. Rossmo says you need a minimum of 5 locations for a geoprofile, so in this case I don't think we have enough to do a profile. I wonder how the bodies got from the bridge if that was the encounter site, to the disposal site a quarter mile or so away. I'll keep an eye on updates on the story. Let me know if anything else turns up. Sorry, I don' think I can help on this one."

Mods, hope this is okay to post? If not, sorry, I can papaphrase. Crap battery is dying...)

 

[NotSoGrumpy]

I would never do that. It's a very high up Executive role.

Not that you can share, but a Google Image search should give you an idea of what this person looks like.

 

[Meenah]

Can someone refresh my memory, please. LE asked the public to recall if they saw anyone walking/hitchhiking along a specific highway. What highway was that?

TIA

US IN-25 from Lafayette to Logansport, IN also known as the Hoosier Heartland.

All I've found is:

[FONT=&quot]DELPHI, Ind. -- If you saw a hitchhiker or somebody walking along roads in Delphi last week, the police would like to talk to you. You could help find who killed Abigail Williams and Liberty German.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Police are asking the public to try and remember if you saw somebody Monday, Feb. 13 in the late afternoon or evening. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]"We're asking people that were driving down the Hoosier Heartland that might have seen a hitchhiker or someone walking.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] We're asking people that live in Logansport all the way to Lafayette, if they saw somebody late that afternoon, that evening of Monday the 13th, if they saw somebody walking down the roadway that just did not look like they should be there, or they're just a hitchhiker, we would like to talk to that person," said Sgt. Kim Riley, Indiana State Police.[/FONT]

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...g-road-near-delphi-police-want-to-talk-to-you

 

[Gardenista]

Can someone do the scanner? Something might be up

 

[LadyL]

I think there's scanner threads here .. at least there used to be.

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[Wsimm]

(Ok, I'm starting a new game. Everytime someone asks "who is BG?" you have to drink.)

LOL!! We'll all be toasted within 30 min