IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #13

[margarita25]

Maybe sleuth some hunting forums that discuss this area?

 

[callyn]

Imagine being somewhere on this bridge and you see this guy coming.... Easy to see why she started recording him. It's dangerous walking up there even in the best of conditions.

Looks like he's going to jump....... if only.

 

[margarita25]

to lighten the mood, for those who did not watch the Oscars, you missed a huge snafu. Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty presented best picture. He said " La La Land" they are all on stage, giving their speechs when I noticed men with headset micophones on their head on the stage talking to Warren Beatty. YEP he screwed up and said the wrong winner. Moonlight was the winner

(Not another Steve Harvey moment :shakehead: )

(Eta: Link for reference in case anyone missed that debacle..some of my finest meme work here ever, I mean only meme work ever:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?297098-Miss-Universe-2015-Results-Mishap )

 

[trenchmouth]

I messed around with the sound clip too, slowing it down and removing much of the noise. I hear "down the hill" - no "go" or "get" before it. My question is this - if the word before "down the hill" is "go" or "get" then why would LE choose to delete it? It would have no impact on the phrase that would reveal information LE would want to keep secret. Why not simply release it with the additional word in order to present a fuller sound clip in hopes that someone would recognize the voice? IMO I believe the prior word is something else entirely.

Of course this is JMOO but it makes no sense to try and hide an innocuous word like "go" or "get."

I don't hear "go" at all. I think what your hearing is background noise of the recording. When it goes from silence to the very start of the recording the background noise makes it sound like he says "go" or something else but it really is nothing. The police said he said 3 words when they were releasing. Why can't everyone leave well enough alone? If he said "go" they would have said so. Even if he did say go how's that solving the case?

I know you and others are just trying to help but I feel some of the things on here are hurting the case not helping. I'm sure the police don't want different version of the recording out.

Also all the finding of persons or cars in the images of the bridge guy photo isn't really helping much either. Even if it was a person you can't see anything that would be useful. JMHO

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[changeindeed]

^^^^This.

Yeah, I'm ashamed to say that I sat down this morning at 9 on the pretense of a quick look, and most of my day has been here.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I've never seen this pic before. Do you know who took it? TIA. And yes, after knowing what happened, it is super creepy. :scared:

It is photoshopped.

 

[margarita25]

Can you imagine the celebration we are going to have here when they catch this guy? I can not waaait.....

 

[MsMarple]

I don't hear "go" at all. I think what your hearing is background noise of the recording. When it goes from silence to the very start of the recording the background noise makes it sound like he says "go" or something else but it really is nothing. The police said he said 3 words when they were releasing. Why can't everyone leave well enough alone? If he said "go" they would have said so. Even if he did say go how's that solving the case?

I know you and others are just trying to help but I feel some of the things on here are hurting the case not helping. I'm sure the police don't want different version of the recording out.

Also all the finding of persons or cars in the images of the bridge guy photo isn't really helping much either. Even if it was a person you can't see anything that would be useful. JMHO

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Please re-read my post. I said I do not hear a word before the phrase "down the hill." That was the point of my post.

 

[margarita25]

Yeah, I'm ashamed to say that I sat down this morning at 9 on the pretense of a quick look, and most of my day has been here.

(Bathe people, bathe...:bath: )

 

[Steleheart]

Long time lurker, but first time poster. I think I have the lingo down after reading the entire thread, so here goes: It seems to me, especially after viewing Nana's photos that the girls' relative dropped them off by the parking lot near the cemetery. My theory is that BG passed by them on the bridge (caught on Libby's pics) and later followed them as they were on their way back to the location where they were dropped off. I thought someone had posted that there is a trail that winds near where their bodies had been discovered. If he was stalking them, that may explain why no one saw any suspicious activity on the bridge (the woman witness said she only saw a man in that time frame). This also might explain how they traveled that somewhat lengthy distance with nothing raising suspicions. Just wanted to raise a scenario that I haven't seen brought up yet...If it was raised, and I missed it, I apologize. Of course this is all MOO.
Hope the SOB is caught ASAP...

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:welcome: Evania! Thanks for your post. Finally after 4 years? LOL

I agree that he passed them and then followed them back to the NW end of the bridge.

Hey there's a link in my sig for WS lingo BTW

 

[layer]

I think we have a few important features on him to work with.
He turns his right foot out, like a duck, when putting his foot down with each step.

I really think this is a mistake. We only see him taking one step here, and after studying the thing for way too much time I believe he is in the act of turning/changing direction toward the camera (Liberty). Not only does the forward foot turn out, but so does his shoulder.

JMHO, of course

 

[Thyme]

Could someone please do the same with the other picture which was published in several newspapers as well? One was a little darker, I think it is not this photo. I would like to know wether the suspect looks older in the other picture, please.

This one is very distorted. Unable to reduce noise any further. Perhaps someone else can.

 

[margarita25]

(It just looks like a big blob to me now. Let's just call him BB)

 

[whiskers]

I really think this is a mistake. We only see him taking one step here, and after studying the thing for way too much time I believe he is in the act of turning/changing direction toward the camera (Liberty). Not only does the forward foot turn out, but so does his shoulder.

JMHO, of course

Right, it absolutely could be a mistake. That's simply why I stated everything MOO.

I should have added that I noticed his step when a few people here made an animated .gif. Of course, who knows if it's truly his step. But the .gif really showed how his right foot turns out, similar to a duck.

 

[margarita25]

Long time lurker, but first time poster. I think I have the lingo down after reading the entire thread, so here goes: It seems to me, especially after viewing Nana's photos that the girls' relative dropped them off by the parking lot near the cemetery. My theory is that BG passed by them on the bridge (caught on Libby's pics) and later followed them as they were on their way back to the location where they were dropped off. I thought someone had posted that there is a trail that winds near where their bodies had been discovered. If he was stalking them, that may explain why no one saw any suspicious activity on the bridge (the woman witness said she only saw a man in that time frame). This also might explain how they traveled that somewhat lengthy distance with nothing raising suspicions. Just wanted to raise a scenario that I haven't seen brought up yet...If it was raised, and I missed it, I apologize. Of course this is all MOO.
Hope the SOB is caught ASAP...

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Welcome Evania

:welcome3:

 

[layer]

Look again at the animated gif. Not only is his foot turning out, but also his shoulder, and back leg. The sun is splashing the pants on his back leg now.

 

[Bob Saccamano]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I had a thought on the voice clip that has been distributed. Years ago, I read a book by John Douglas and one chapter focused on the trailside killer case in San Francisco and the profile that included that the killer would have a speech impediment. Douglas said he arrived at the idea that he would have a speech impediment because the killer was blitz attacking his victims in a secluded area on hiking trails. He felt this meant he had some kind of defect that caused him to lack the confidence to approach and engage his victims, even in the middle of nowhere. He said that the fact that nobody had reported seeing anyone with a noticeable disfigurement on the trails and he was effectively overpowering his victims lead him to believe it would be a speech impediment.


When they caught David Carpenter, he stuttered severely. The interesting thing was that he was caught because a victim of a would be attack escaped him. If i remember correctly, he began actually speaking to her and she said she felt bad because he stuttered badly and he somehow, opportunistically forced her into his truck. The crazy part of it is that she said once he gained control of her, his stutter went away. Luckily she escaped and he was convicted of a number of murders and attacks.


Long story, short, I think it is important to note that the killer may not sound exactly like the voice released in the Delphi case in everyday life. To me, it sounded like the crime was well-underway and he was directing them to the creek bank where they were found. He sounds very under control almost a bit excited to me. It sounded like he was operating in his comfort zone. Everyday life may not be his comfort zone and he might not sound exactly the same.


Just a strange thought that came to me.

 

[whiskers]

Look again at the animated gif. Not only is his foot turning out, but also his shoulder, and back leg. The sun is splashing the pants on his back leg now.

Do you have a link to it? I wish I could find it fast!

 

[KzooMI]

I am not skilled in photos, but I've been playing around simply with my iPhone's standard photo editing. I adjusted so many things that I'm not sure I could duplicate the effort in the exact same manner, but after the adjustments and with some magnification, I feel like I can see half of his face.....it's not perfect, but I see it. Can anyone else see it?


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[trenchmouth]

Please re-read my post. I said I do not hear a word before the phrase "down the hill." That was the point of my post.

My apologies.

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