IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #21

[NancyDrew007]

Hi BCA! The logo - if it is a logo - could be just anything. That said, it strikes me more, what a younger person would be wearing, say 20s through 50s as opposed to 60s through 70s. The Harley logo would clearly be an exemption IMO.

If this guy was local, chances are the logo may be work related. That is really the reason I posted it. If it is just one of those scull- flowers- superheros- etc. logo, possibilities are endless. Perhaps it is brand related, like Under Armour or so, like it has been suggested before.

-Nin

Yes I have been going nuts looking at logos for weeks. I think/thought it could be an eagle, phoenix or deer (antlers).


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[Steleheart]

But that is now! If you look at the video of the police in the creek itself a couple of days after the murders, it is much deeper.. waist deep in fact. I think there was a great deal of rain the day before the murders...which would make the creek much higher than ankle deep when the video 2 weeks later was done. I'll check rain levels for Delphi and get back to you.

YES! In the helicopter video the searchers were doing a line search in rushing water up to their waist.

 

[PinkpuppyPaws]

JMO--> That honestly looks like a spot on the wood. I don't see anything remotely resembling a person, and where people are seeing cars, it looks like large divots in the ground filled with water.

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I don't see any cars, but there does appear to be someone standing under the bridge, between the 1st and 2nd rungs in the picture.

 

[Momma2cam]

But that is now! If you look at the video of the police in the creek itself a couple of days after the murders, it is much deeper.. waist deep in fact. I think there was a great deal of rain the day before the murders...which would make the creek much higher than ankle deep when the video 2 weeks later was done. I'll check rain levels for Delphi and get back to you.

The police were quite a bit further north of the spot that they may have crossed. There is a visable sandbar. I'm sure they did not cross in the other areas, which were waist deep then and now most likely, unless the girls were running and that caused them to cross unplanned. JMO.

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[Theforeigner]

Do you know how hard it is to cross a stream even with a slow current running? And with 2 people in front of you? They'd either pull away or start screaming. It just doesn't make sense to me that they crossed the creek.

The spot where they crossed the creek was no doubt extremely shallow.

Here is a photo of Delphi Deer Creek and you can se for your self how shallow it is at som spots (klick the link and you can get a big version of the photo):

https://dk.pinterest.com/pin/90494273736601901/

 

[Deleted member 278]

Do you know how hard it is to cross a stream even with a slow current running? And with 2 people in front of you? They'd either pull away or start screaming. It just doesn't make sense to me that they crossed the creek.

Not too sure about that if he had a gun.

 

[Justice101]

No disrespect intended but you are looking at a railroad tie. There is not a person standing there. It's simply the grain of the wood.


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Yeh, trees meet forest... HA!

 

[NancyDrew007]

Aww, I haven't heard this term except from my grandma.

I say it all the time, I hope I learned it from being from the south and not because of John Stamos saying 'Have mercy!' on Full House back in the day lmao...


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[Jill1124]

IMO Perp says "GA" down (DAHN) the hill". I just listened over and over (it was too troubling for me to listen to before) and I must say that I have chills because that is PITTSBURGHESE. I would know it anywhere! I always thought they should search hard in the Pittsburgh area (many rural towns) and hang more billboards in that entire area of HIM and the reward.

 

[heidi76]

I say it all the time, I hope I learned it from being from the south and not because of John Stamos saying 'Have mercy!' on Full House back in the day lmao...


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Tis a southern thang, I hear it often here in AR

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[Deleted member 278]

He says "GA down (DAHN) the hill". I just listened over and over (it was too troubling for me to listen to before) and I must say that I have chills because I always thought they should go search into the Pittsburgh area and hang more billboards in that entire area. That is PITTSBURGHESE. I would know it anywhere.

I am 200 miles west of Pittsburgh and that's what I hear too. I talk like that.

 

[Justice101]

I am 200 miles west of Pittsburgh and that's what I hear too. I talk like that.

You mean "Picks bourge"??

 

[Jill1124]

He is instructing them. That is "GA" and most can't even hear it.... And he says DAHN. (Down) I am certain. 100%. He is talking fast also, so most will not hear that GA

 

[Beth11311]

yes before I visited the area, I was quite shocked. The maps and aerial shots make everything look so large and spread out when in fact they are really close. I was surprised too.

This is what confuses me to no end (pulls hair out while running in circles). Everything is so surprisingly close, so WHY WHY WHY did it take them so long to find the girls?? I'm not part of the "he took them and then dumped the later" camp, but it just makes no sense to me that they searched for the girls the night they went missing AND the next day and it took that long...

 

[Deleted member 278]

You mean "Picks bourge"??

Or "two pickets to (fill in the blank)."

 

[Avejajed]

I let my husband look at the guy and hear what he said without telling him what was being said. He didn't hear anything until I specifically pointed it out. Then, he said that it sounds like every other guy from the midwest. (He's from Ohio).

He also agrees with me there's nothing funny about his outfit- just a plain pair of jeans, boots, a brown hoodie and a blue jacket. The hoodie is down and he's got a hat on of some kind. We both think it's a flat cap. He doesn't (along with me) see a fanny pack.

 

[thekarmabus]

I wonder then why fb help suggests otherwise-
https://www.facebook.com/help/210081519032737?helpref=uf_permalink

How can I report a convicted sex offender?
Convicted sex offenders are not allowed to use Facebook. If you've encountered an account that may belong to a convicted sex offender, please report it to us.
Please make sure you provide one of the following with your report:

• A link to a listing in a national or state sex offender registry
• A link to an online news article
• A link to a court document

If you aren't able to include this with your report, we recommend that you ask a local law enforcement representative to contact us so we can take action on your report. Once we're able to confirm someone's status as a sex offender, we immediately disable their account.

They may still have that on the fb page to deter and at one point it was the case when written . At one point I believe Indiana had a blanket law ... no sm sites for RSO. You can read article below which is current

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsn...nders-on-facebook-supreme-court-to-weigh-law/


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[CementPond]

Really? In the recording from this news article I just hear "Down the hill". Clear as day. Nothing before and nothing after. Also sounds like someone traipsing through water, IMO.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/slain-teen-recorded-mans-voice-before-she-was-killed/

IMO Perp says "GA" down (DAHN) the hill". I just listened over and over (it was too troubling for me to listen to before) and I must say that I have chills because that is PITTSBURGHESE. I would know it anywhere! I always thought they should search hard in the Pittsburgh area (many rural towns) and hang more billboards in that entire area of HIM and the reward.

 

[ninij9]

YES! In the helicopter video the searchers were doing a line search in rushing water up to their waist.

But they were at a different part of the stream. They were also shown in the SAME video in the middle of stream with their boots showing. I spend plenty time in the country and we cross countless streams. Barring flash flood, high rainfall or other weather events, we always find a place to cross the stream just getting our feet wet. Jmo. NBD.moo.

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[SJEmery]

I agree. There is a road at the northeast end of the bridge. It is a private drive that runs under the bridge but there is no road near the edge of the creek that would show vehicles under where Abby's pic was taken which is closer to the northwest end..
In this post by Member WebSight ,the photo of the bridge from downstream shows clearly that there is no road in that area;

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-16&p=13190276#post13190276

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Based on the videos I've seen it looks like the road goes under the South East side of the bridge closer to where Libby and Abby met up with BG.

[video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68[/video]

I've always struggled with how BG managed to lay in wait for the girls (whether he knew of them, knew them or didn't know them at all) and then managed to get control of Abby and Libby and get them down a hill, across a creek, and up the other side ( approx 200-300 yards in total) without anyone seeing them. Not impossible but certainly a lot of risk of losing control of the girls or being seen. If however, he had parked on the private road below the SE end of the bridge he could see the girls crossing the bridge and have time to get on the bridge and intercept. He may have walked by them and the turned around and came back towards the girl (this is when Libby takes the picture because she is concerned when he turns back around toward them) and takes control, walks off the SE end of the bridge to the closed trail and "...down the hill". Getting the girls to a waiting car and off the property is a much easier and less risky scenario than the creek scenario and explains the cell pings across town (not sure if this is verified). He then brings the girls back to the back of the cemetary after the fact. Obviously, JMO!