IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #21

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Ok, so this case has really hit home with me because I am somewhat close to that town and have children/grandchildren . With that being said, I have spent every spare hour following this. I have noticed a couple things on the photo of BG that no one else has but I'm not sure if I'm allowed or should say it on here...it could be upsetting to family of victimes

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  • #1,022
At this moment I am at the rest stop on I-65 closest to the exit to Delphi. There is no photo of the suspect or anything at all posted on the information boards inside or out.

it seems to me this would be a prime location to display the picture, tip line number and reward information.

This is a very busy rest stop in a prime area for cars and trucks and I was sure I would see information posted.
 
  • #1,023
Driving down the private drive requires a vehicle to pass by 10+ houses lol. He didn't drive a vehicle.

Thank you for this information. On Google Maps it looks like on N625W the blacktop ends and passes only one house where it becomes gravel/dirt, continuing no houses until it ends at the house on the East end. But the image on Maps was taken with full foliage. Are there many houses along that unpaved portion that goes under the bridge? Since it is a private road is there a gate?
 
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Ok, so this case has really hit home with me because I am somewhat close to that town and have children/grandchildren . With that being said, I have spent every spare hour following this. I have noticed a couple things on the photo of BG that no one else has but I'm not sure if I'm allowed or should say it on here...it could be upsetting to family of victimes

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Welcome and wonderful to have a pair of fresh eyes. You can comment on his picture.
 
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Ok, so this case has really hit home with me because I am somewhat close to that town and have children/grandchildren . With that being said, I have spent every spare hour following this. I have noticed a couple things on the photo of BG that no one else has but I'm not sure if I'm allowed or should say it on here...it could be upsetting to family of victimes

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If it's that a body part seems to be hanging out, it has been discussed :). If something else, please share!
 
  • #1,026
Here's the tweet formatted if thats helpful

[video=twitter;838761223671988225]https://twitter.com/ISPIndianapolis/status/838761223671988225[/video]

IMO, that doesn't rule out the possibility of an SK, they just don't have anything right now that would say the perp is.

Agreed -- they currently have no evidence to link him with previous crimes.

However, there was that question by one of the LE officials in the press conference: "Who's next? Who's next?" It was said with some emphasis and I got the feeling that LE is very concerned that this man will not stop.
 
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BBM-from the property owner

"You are going to be just as confused as I was as to how did these two little girls got here from the high bridge with all of this rough terrain..."

"They would have had to come over through this territory…not an easy trip,"

http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/delphi-m...-his-property/

From the article:

The high bridge is right across the creek here, and it runs all the way down across the creek and the land joins together. The spot where they join together is the last area where there were photographs of the girls.They would have had to come over through this territory…not an easy trip," said Logan.

PHOTOGRAPHS of the GIRLS? We saw one pict ( and that was of Abby ) ON the bridge, not where the land joins.

Could be an innocent mistake..,


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Ok, so this case has really hit home with me because I am somewhat close to that town and have children/grandchildren . With that being said, I have spent every spare hour following this. I have noticed a couple things on the photo of BG that no one else has but I'm not sure if I'm allowed or should say it on here...it could be upsetting to family of victimes

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If you are unsure you are allowed to post something please ask a mod before posting instead of saying you may not be able to post it. It could be taken as "baiting".

Mods would rather people ask than have to come in and :threadclosed: so they can :sweep: like last night.
 
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Thank you for this information. On Google Maps it looks like on N625W the blacktop ends and passes only one house where it becomes gravel/dirt, continuing no houses until it ends at the house on the East end. But the image on Maps was taken with full foliage. Are there many houses along that unpaved portion that goes under the bridge? Since it is a private road is there a gate?

Heading north after the black top ends passes 1 house, and ends at a house. I'm unsure about a gate, doubtful. Keep in mind 625 north of 200 has no through traffic, unfamiliar vehicles would be noted.
 
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If it's that a body part seems to be hanging out, it has been discussed :). If something else, please share!
Ok, when I crop the pic, I can see right through the brown part where there has been speculation it is a fan by pack. I see his hand gripping what looks to be a butterfly knife. I think the brown is just some shading to cover that up? If you follow from his right hand, down his pant legs, you'll see it

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  • #1,031
That is exactly my point.. Myself and others do NOT think his accent sounds Midwest like you state, but rather East of Indiana. I would love to hear this point debated and not shopping bags. (With all due respect) AND many of us clearly hear the quick "ga" for "Go down the hill"... That is IMPORTANT. Liberty left THAT CLUE for us..
 
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Based on the videos I've seen it looks like the road goes under the South East side of the bridge closer to where Libby and Abby met up with BG.
We don't know for a fact where they met up with BG, or even that they did at all. AFAIK, BG has not yet been positively identified as the killer (or one of the killers).

I've always struggled with how BG managed to lay in wait for the girls (whether he knew of them, knew them or didn't know them at all) and then managed to get control of Abby and Libby and get them down a hill, across a creek, and up the other side ( approx 200-300 yards in total) without anyone seeing them. Not impossible but certainly a lot of risk of losing control of the girls or being seen. If however, he had parked on the private road below the SE end of the bridge he could see the girls crossing the bridge and have time to get on the bridge and intercept. He may have walked by them and the turned around and came back towards the girl (this is when Libby takes the picture because she is concerned when he turns back around toward them) and takes control, walks off the SE end of the bridge to the closed trail and "...down the hill". Getting the girls to a waiting car and off the property is a much easier and less risky scenario than the creek scenario and explains the cell pings across town (not sure if this is verified). He then brings the girls back to the back of the cemetary after the fact. Obviously, JMO!
To me, this has always been a very plausible scenario, which has not been posited much on here.
 
  • #1,033
BG sure wasn't worried about trespassing on private property out in the woodsy area, where people will run you off. He wasn't concerned about barking dogs. So, he is locally connected to this area.

The girls had been on the trail for an hour before that shot of Abby was taken. It didn't take them an hour to cross that bridge. Likely, they walked the trails first, then went to the bridge. It is also making sense that they crossed paths with him on the trail, thought him odd and that is why they photographed him on the bridge. As in, "ut - oh. Is that that weirdo coming towards us?" They stepped aside onto a platform to let him pass. Or, maybe that is rail bridge etiquette?

The video posted by some woman up thread is chilling. I am convinced that the girls were taken across the river to Logan's property. I just do not know if they were still alive when they reached the other side.

This guy knows the property lines. He is well aware of the area. And he knows who owns the property all around that area. And he knew that Logan wasn't around and that the southern neighbors weren't either. He knew where to cross the river and that it was out or sight from the bridge and trails. He played there as a kid and was run off the property. A lot. His path was over property owned by the RR, which had no agents in the area to make a complaint, two parcels of private property with property lines in the middle of a river which has a sandbar and fronted by a cemetery, which is public although privately owned. He knows how to get on someone else's property fast when confronted. He grew up there. He is a local.
Iyo.

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Ok, so this case has really hit home with me because I am somewhat close to that town and have children/grandchildren . With that being said, I have spent every spare hour following this. I have noticed a couple things on the photo of BG that no one else has but I'm not sure if I'm allowed or should say it on here...it could be upsetting to family of victimes


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These kinds of post always make me sad. I hate when people are afraid to speak their mind. Our mods are great and how you present your "theory" is important. An opinion is not a fact. But everyone is entitled to an opinion.
When you see that WS is victim friendly is does not mean that you should not post honest observations, or that you can not post things that might be painful for the family to read. It means you do not blame the family or accuse the family without merit. The fact a family member has to read their loved ones name on this site is painful . Yet this is still a website.
 
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I finally found the elusive billboard.

Ft. Wayne, IN; the pic of it is in the video portion.

http://wane.com/2017/02/24/fbi-expanding-billboards-for-tips-in-indiana-teens-killings/

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From the article:

The high bridge is right across the creek here, and it runs all the way down across the creek and the land joins together. The spot where they join together is the last area where there were photographs of the girls.They would have had to come over through this territory…not an easy trip," said Logan.

PHOTOGRAPHS of the GIRLS? We saw one pict ( and that was of Abby ) ON the bridge, not where the land joins.

Could be an innocent mistake..,


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From this link:

"That's the last pictures they had at the end of the bridge.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...e-bodies-of-two-missing-teen-girls-were-found
 
  • #1,037
It's unlikely he would bring a vehicle down a private drive near homes. It is even more unlikely he would abduct someone and bring them back to the same spot later.

I belive your right,local here road is heavily posted no trespassing and private property
 
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That is exactly my point.. Myself and others do NOT think his accent sounds Midwest like you state, but rather East of Indiana. I would love to hear this point debated and not shopping bags. (With all due respect) AND many of us clearly hear the quick "ga" for "Go down the hill"... That is IMPORTANT. Liberty left THAT CLUE for us..

Not sure what this is in reference to, but I saw someone on the fb group maybe? say they thought it sounded like the "steubenville, ohio" accent, whatever that is. I believe that fits your theory as well.
 
  • #1,039
My thoughts from the beginning. There's a connection to knowing about the Logan property IMO. Mr Logan said the area is very difficult to reach.

"You are going to be just as confused as I was as to how did these two little girls got here from the high bridge with all of this rough terrain..."

"They would have had to come over through this territory…not an easy trip,"

http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/delphi-...very-of-missing-teens-bodies-on-his-property/

Also, If you watch the most recent video of the woman crossing the bridge there is a point where she makes a comment about seeing a homeowner and being careful not to go on private property.
What video is that?

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From the article:

The high bridge is right across the creek here, and it runs all the way down across the creek and the land joins together. The spot where they join together is the last area where there were photographs of the girls.They would have had to come over through this territory…not an easy trip," said Logan.

PHOTOGRAPHS of the GIRLS? We saw one pict ( and that was of Abby ) ON the bridge, not where the land joins.

Could be an innocent mistake..,


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I caught this as well, way back when I first read it. I kept wondering where exactly he was referencing the land joining together where there were photographs of the girls, but since we didn't hear it from LE, I left it alone, thinking he just mispoke or was misquoted.

Interesting, though.

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