IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #41

[Eileen730]

I think this] man grabbed one girl by the arm or the collar very quickly aND told the other one
down the hill. All very quickly and quietly.
Jmo

 

[ninij9]

..just wanted to point out, that there is a possibility the POI/BG was wearing similar type glasses (frameless) like RL:

All IMO

-Nin

Oh NIN,

Lining up the faces like that...wow

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[ninij9]

Looking just a bit lower, how do we explain the lack of a silver moustache on BG?

I for one can't tell if he has a mustache or not. Grants it doesn't appear white, but the chin shapes seem very similar, jeez, any chance that this RL has a younger brother or nephew living nearby. Yes, yes, yes, I KNOW we can't sleuth family. I'm talking generality. They could be related.

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[NightOwl77]

Newbie here. Didn't have chance to go through all pages yet but did view the rules at the beginning of intro.

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Does anyone think a car could have been waiting there at the road at the end of the bridge and that was why no one heard or saw them? That side of the bridge they'd have to go down the hill to the road and that road looks like a deadend w no trailhead and so maybe there is less traffic? It goes past the transfer station and meat packing plant.

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IMO it was someone local who knew kids had off that day and had the site well cased out and planned it extensively in advance (maybe waiting for any young female/s to make their presence know at that location online or via sighting while waiting nearby). Unfortunately if they were assaulted elsewhere and brought back in the wee hours of morning, it sounds like the type of crime where someone took pride in their work and wanted them to be found afterwords, or maybe the stream was just used as a purging of evidence, but so close to where they knew a search would ensue is pretty ballsy without a car close by, as was the whole abduction given the time of day, popularity of the site for strolls and double homicide aspect. Has anyone discussed a similar theory here?

 

[ninij9]

Notice, I was only talking about similar type glasses. If you are addressing RL's mustache on a separate thought, here is the original pic (Inside Edition) without any opacity:

-Nin

It was a great comparison shot you used because it nearly mirrors the position and angle of BGs face.

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[Peace777]

I'm wondering if Bikers/drug dealers are involved? JMO but those types of people usually don't rat out on one another (if they know what's good for them) :scared:

 

[michiganmod]

Most people automatically move to the right when there is someone coming towards them.

Exactly-- he looks very comfortable on those tracks, as if he'd been on them many times before. Walking on the right side would come automatically to him, no matter that he could lose his balance and fall. You'd think a newbie or a visitor to that area would instinctively walk in the center. That's what I would do as I'm not from Delphi and have never actually walked on train tracks that are elevated.

 

[roseofsharon]

It was a great comparison shot you used because it nearly mirrors the position and angle of BGs face.

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Both RL and BG are looking down while walking. Moo

 

[ocgrad]

From what I have read, most serial killers use a "blitz' style of attack to shock and control their victims. Two girls who might run away? The best weapon that will instill the most fear and guarantee cooperation of more than one person is a gun. Handgun that is concealable and easy to carry. My feeling is that he likely walked right up to them and at the last moment took it out and told them to do what he says or they're getting shot. MOO.

You can run, but you're going to get shot in the back. Knife is a close range weapon. Not effective in an outdoor situation where you can run. Gun is a perfect distance weapon.

Patriot10 - Several people have questioned a line on his thigh, most think it's a shadow, some have said tool, or knife. Do you think he could be carrying an AR under his jacket? Sort of holding it with his arm therefore carrying his shoulder higher. Could his right hand be grasping it ready to pull it out? I know it looks like a handgun under his jacket but that would not prevent him from having an AR as well. Most people would have a handgun too. What we thought was a fanny pack is really just his hoodie or shirt over the magazine?

 

[ninij9]

IMO you have definitely not come across as trying to besmirch RL. It is a reality that he is linked to this case, at the very least because the girls were found on his property, and at the worst because LE proved probable cause to search his property in relation to the homicides (not the probation violation or an incidental matter). LE made it clear that the search was to assist them in ruling him out or focusing more carefully on him in relation to the homicides. IMO part of sleuthing is to carefully and respectfully consider this range of possibilities and IMO that is what you have done. I am so sorry about the difficult exchange with Paige Dougherty's mother - so terribly sad. IMO you write always with good intentions and with insight.

Thank you. My exchange with her wasn't difficult, the subject matter was.[emoji17] . I was supporting her. I was sad that so much rumor made it to that thread and I was letting her know that most of us care deeply. She is very nice, and I admire her immensely. She is advocating very strongly for her daughter, the victim. I mentioned it because I do actually know that our words reach beyond this forum, that's how she found us, and I don't want to cause RL or his family any unwarranted harm. But again, I'm having trouble clearing him in my mind at this point.

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[ninij9]

Whoa! Is it just me or is it just that every time I look at RL, he looks more and more like BG. Especially in this particular comparison. Yipes.

Not just you. But it's almost like one picture was taken in 1975...

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[Patriot10]

That's such a great point, Patriot10! It makes me think of those old b&w pictures from the 1930s where workers building skyscrapers walked along beams hundreds of feet off the ground without hesitation (or apparent hesitation).

Perhaps BG has a job where he walks heights like that or is well off the ground regularly.

Thank you-- and that's a good point you make that maybe he is comfortable working outdoors and on an elevation. Guy looks rugged and very comfortable being outside. Are there any hunting associations or clubs in that area? Local gun enthusiast clubs? Shooting ranges? It's possible he is or was a member. Pore through customer receipts and records. Sporting goods stores or hardware stores where rope, knives, hiking boots,outdoor gear are sold. Check surveillance camera footage to see if there's any guys who match the perp in the video still image. I know it's a very long shot. But better than nothing.

 

[Daae]

If BG had been in military combat training is there a chance he would have been taught how to handle captured prisoners?

What if BG immediately handcuffed the girls together and walked behind them with a gun? They would be unable to separate.

 

[Patriot10]

I'm no expert, OCgrad, but the pic is so grainy it's really hard tell. From a practical standpoint, a handgun would be the perfect weapon to use to control two people. An AR15 is pretty unwieldy MOO and if he had to run to escape, it would hinder not help. If he had the AR15 hidden, it might also affect the way he walks and draw unwanted attention to himself. He wanted to blend in and get as close to the girls as possible before drawing his handgun and ordering them to do as they were told. Just my feeling.

Patriot10 - Several people have questioned a line on his thigh, most think it's a shadow, some have said tool, or knife. Do you think he could be carrying an AR under his jacket? Sort of holding it with his arm therefore carrying his shoulder higher. Could his right hand be grasping it ready to pull it out? I know it looks like a handgun under his jacket but that would not prevent him from having an AR as well. Most people would have a handgun too. What we thought was a fanny pack is really just his hoodie or shirt over the magazine?

 

[ninij9]

Just wanted to add that the nasolabia fold is what appears to stand out to me, as it is usually much more pronounced in older people. I see evidence of this in the zoomed photo posted of BG by NIN and that leads me to believe BG is older than what I had originally thought.....maybe maybe not....just what i observed

Chin looks similar too.

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[ninij9]

He was released from jail wasn't he? Don't think he would have been if they found something on him. Especially after they searched his house and truck.

What??? RL was released?

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[Justice101]

An interesting possibility, which could also explain why LE expressed the idea of a 'twist' in the case and (what I think I remember - please correct me if I am wrong) why there was some initial hesitance in declaring that foul play was definitely involved. It could also potentially explain why the phone was not taken away from Libby. My one question would be wouldn't the people looking for them that afternoon and early evening have called out their names? They would still have been able to call out in response or for help at that point, even if it was muffled.

I agree with you that rage at that the girls could very likely be a motive. It's also a gut feel, but makes more sense to me and IMO than a sexual assault given there were two girls, not one single victim.

Not if he put duct tape over their mouths when he tied them up.

 

[Patriot10]

If BG had been in military combat training is there a chance he would have been taught how to handle captured prisoners?

What if BG immediately handcuffed the girls together and walked behind them with a gun? They would be unable to separate.

Yes, I have thought of that, too. But thinking on it a bit more, not many people know how to handcuff a person. It's not as easy as it appears on t.v. But if you have proper training, it is quite easy and quick. The longer the perp stood there talking to the girls, the greater the chance he might be seen. Whip out the gun, order the girls to walk in front of him (but not too far in front or they'd be shot)...and then once they arrived at some far away spot, he might order one girl to use rope to tie the other. This is what the Zodiac killer did when he found a man/woman lounging by a lake.

He had one tie the other and then checked the bindings and made them tighter.

 

[rkot]

Seems like every possibility has been sleuthed at least twice...

 

[Patriot10]

Most people automatically move to the right when there is someone coming towards them.

But if I understand it correctly, at that point the girls were not walking toward the perp. They were crossing the bridge and trying to get to the other side which would make them move away from the perp.