IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #46

[Shiressleuth]

That was what sent up red flags for me was the many media interviews and the amount of detail. I'm sure LE has watched and rewatched interviews by everyone who talked to TV reporters. You can certainly tell a lot from what people say and how they say it, IMO.

I think his willingness to speak to media and even say "down the hill" just emphasizes his innocence IMO. This is unfortunately preventing people considering who the real killer was. The only advantage may be that LE are able to carry on the investigation while everyone focuses on the RL show. What about the 12 other places searched? They must also have PC for them too?

 

[JLSChook]

Sorry, don't know where it is right now. But I bet Bemused can pull it up. Believe it was a photo of an affidavit to the pv.
ETA or Jax49

I posted it in the media thread days ago.

 

[Steleheart]

You are not the only one still interested in RL's movements that day. I am wondering, if he frequently - or at all - took that shortcut from the cemetery to the NW end of the bridge to then hit the trail over to Old Camden Road, then downtown to do possibly get to the local L store on W Main/ S Market? It is only app 2.5 miles one way. Not saying he did, just considering it.

If he went towards the trail on February 13, did he possibly saw something or someone? I am not necessarily thinking of the girls but of the perp.

He may be directly involved into this in some way- disposing of evidence?- , or he may be covering for someone. There is simply no reason IMO for LE not to clear him, unless they can't or won't. I am waiting fore this to happen in a PC, or for additional charges to be filed, or for additional arrest(s). Until then, everyone is included in the envelope of suspicion (..) , including RL.

All IMO

-Nin

I'm still of the notion that he gave the guy a ride and didn't say so. In interviews he was pretty emotionally effected. Wrestling with what he knew? Don't know.

JMO

 

[Burnt Toast]

Telling police he was buying tropical fish is not too much info, it is specific. Probably easy to verify in a small area, how many tropical fish stores can there be? He could have been vague, said he was doing errands, etc, but he told them where he why he went to Lafayette, imo. Police do not want vague alibis, they want details.

i was surprised he told inside edition that he went to buy a tropical fish rather than just saying he was running an errand. There was no need to be specific for the press. To me, it was just odd.

 

[cluciano63]

I know I have said it before, but LE may have stopped emphasizing the image due to its terrible quality. The only thing clear about it is that the killer probably will end up looking very different. Jmo

 

[KyMom]

FWIW and this of course is jmo - my hubs just came through and seeing his long hair that needs cut, it made me think of the images of BG. Since I can (imo) clearly see a good head of hair in those pictures, I can also see (imo) that it wasn't unkempt or grown out. When I look at them (imo) I see that his bangs are combed forward, sides are cut above his ears and the back is a little longer (goes below the level of his ears). In going along with my belief on this, I would have to think it couldn't have been too very long since he'd had his hair cut at the time the video was taken. Unless he cut it himself, this is another reason I think surely someone has to recognize this guy.

Just a thought anyways.

 

[cluciano63]

i was surprised he told inside edition that he went to buy a tropical fish rather than just saying he was running an errand. There was no need to be specific for the press. To me, it was just odd.

I don't. LE wants details, he may have just repeated what he told them. I would say I went to the library, i.e not just I was out.

 

[Falling Down]

Respectfully your time line IMO is a bit off. I believe the photo of BG was taken at 2:30 pm. It has been speculated that it took as long as 30 minutes to walk the girls from the bridge to where they were found. Now it's 3:00 pm. It has been stated that their ride was there to pick them up and actively searching the area and calling for them by 4:00pm. That left only one hour to murder both girls and get out of dodge. LE wasn't called in to search until 5:30 pm, but family had already been searching for an hour and a half by that point.

MOO is the time frame is much shorter than that, even. From the SE end of the bridge, down the hill, across the creek, and to where they were found is roughly 600 feet, straight across. The perp could have been out of the immediate area by 3PM or shortly thereafter. People who were at the park/trails/bridge that afternoon reported 'nothing unusual'. I would imagine that from the bridge people can see roughly the area where they were found, but it's obscured by trees and other plants, even in February. In one MSM video I've seen, the bridge can be seen in the distance from the crime scene.

The perp(s) had a very short time frame to work within, and he or they knew they had to get the girls to a spot where they couldn't be found easily, and had to do it quickly.

 

[Burnt Toast]

We really have no idea what he told police.

my guess is that he told the police the truth about buying a fish if indeed the trip was to establish an alibi.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

Hello everyone.Is there a database to cross-check similar attacks like this in Indiana or is it pretty much Google? Most of the things I put in Google just keep coming back to Abby and Libby or Delphi....TIA

 

[otto]

Respectfully your time line IMO is a bit off. I believe the photo of BG was taken at 2:30 pm. It has been speculated that it took as long as 30 minutes to walk the girls from the bridge to where they were found. Now it's 3:00 pm. It has been stated that their ride was there to pick them up and actively searching the area and calling for them by 4:00pm. That left only one hour to murder both girls and get out of dodge. LE wasn't called in to search until 5:30 pm, but family had already been searching for an hour and a half by that point.

The girls were dropped off at 1PM, and photo of one of the girls was taken at 2:07. They were near the abduction location when the photo was taken. Someone may have been waiting for the girls at 3:30, and may have looked around between 4 and 5PM, but the search started at 5:30. According to this timeline, the suspect has from shortly after 2:07 until 5:30 without any interference from searchers. The suspect was probably long gone by the time searchers arrived.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Respectfully your time line IMO is a bit off. I believe the photo of BG was taken at 2:30 pm. It has been speculated that it took as long as 30 minutes to walk the girls from the bridge to where they were found. Now it's 3:00 pm. It has been stated that their ride was there to pick them up and actively searching the area and calling for them by 4:00pm. That left only one hour to murder both girls and get out of dodge. LE wasn't called in to search until 5:30 pm, but family had already been searching for an hour and a half by that point.

my guess is that things escalated extremely quickly had it happened in less than a hours time. I think he was likely home by 3:30.

 

[No it's not]

Good night everyone.

The thread will open in the morning.

'Night

Tricia
PS. When is that goofy Giraffe going to give birth? LOL

(That giraffe looks like she swallowed a Buick..;--)

-Nin

 

[Burnt Toast]

One would think it would be one of the first things LE did, but then again one would also think search warrants for the property where the bodies were found would have been issued immediately, and we see how long that took.

they needed "probable cause" to search inside his property. My guess is they did not have that until additional "information" and "tips" came in. They could not search his house and out building or seize his vehicle just because. They had to show a judge that there was probable cause that they would find something connected to the double homicide.

 

[JLSChook]

my guess is that things escalated extremely quickly had it happened in less than a hours time. I think he was likely home by 3:30.

I'm confused. Who was home by 3:30?

 

[No it's not]

I'm still of the notion that he gave the guy a ride and didn't say so. In interviews he was pretty emotionally effected. Wrestling with what he knew? Don't know.

JMO

Could very well be. Could also be, that he was eager "not to be home", because he did indeed saw something or someone..

-Nin

 

[Burnt Toast]

I think his willingness to speak to media and even say "down the hill" just emphasizes his innocence IMO. This is unfortunately preventing people considering who the real killer was. The only advantage may be that LE are able to carry on the investigation while everyone focuses on the RL show. What about the 12 other places searched? They must also have PC for them too?

the soham murderer was more than willing to put himself in the spot light of the press after his double homicide. It is not that uncommon for a killer to involve themselves in the search or do interviews with the press.

 

[Bemused]

I think his willingness to speak to media and even say "down the hill" just emphasizes his innocence IMO. This is unfortunately preventing people considering who the real killer was. The only advantage may be that LE are able to carry on the investigation while everyone focuses on the RL show. What about the 12 other places searched? They must also have PC for them too?

WADR, the only people who are required to consider who the "real killer" is is LE. Based on the absence of information coming from LE, the PO is what makes sense to me. That's my opinion and I base it on a lot of different factors, none of which is stated opinion of others here or elsewhere. Everyone thinks what they think.

I hope there is someone the public is not aware of, but LE is, and RL is a victim of circumstances and his own lies and bad decisions as to some people being suspicious of him. We will all have answers to many of our questions when LE makes an arrest in these murders. MOO

 

[Burnt Toast]

I'm still of the notion that he gave the guy a ride and didn't say so. In interviews he was pretty emotionally effected. Wrestling with what he knew? Don't know.

JMO

it is funny how we all hear and see different things. I saw a man who showed little if any empathy for the girls or their families.

 

[Daae]

Is there anyone that favors a theory that BG was already on the far end of the bridge, passed by the girls then turned around quickly once he could see there was no one approaching as far as he could see? Then accuses them of trespassing and says I'm going to take you off the property 'get down the hill' and into my car that's parked below on the driveway.
Moving the girls very far would require their (forced) cooperation. it's either that or things happened really really quickly and required getting across the creek which I don't find that plausible.
What would be great is to have someone that has been questioned come forward and relate what the exactly the LE were asking. Say they were asking to see the inside of ppl's houses or something specific, would be a tell that the girls were moved likely twice.
All IMOO thank you for your thoughtful posts

I agree with the first part of your theory, but not that he put the girls in a car on that dirt road. I think he spotted the girls when they were dropped off and knew he could access them at the south east end. I absolutely agree that he came up that end of the bridge, passed them, when he was 80 feet from them he turned around and approached them, IMO. That would be suspicious and worthy of Libby filming him.

I believe his mindset was that water would hinder DNA retrieval. I have read that a reporter saw their clothes in the creek. If he was of that belief, the creek crossing makes sense. First he crosses with them washing any loose fibers, pet hairs, debris, that might transfer from him to the murder scene. Next, he puts their clothes in the creek, to wash his DNA from them (skin cells etc.). Last, he travels a short distance back to his vehicle (car, motorcycle, truck) and washes more of his and their DNA for scent tracking off of himself.
No one sees him because its very remote. He knows the roads....This is all IMO