IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #48

[Jethro4WS]

Hello all!
Quickly I have something to share. (At work still) about 5 hours ago a friend of mine that lives in Kirklin, Indiana said down her street but near 38 local police, state police & FBI with 2 tan vans were there. She said you never, ever see this here. Especially down my street. I texted back Possibly you think it could be about Abby & Libby? She said I have no idea but gonna now go on my porch and investigate with my binoculars! I haven't heard back.. just curious how close is that to Delphi? Maybe it is nothing to do with this case but makes me go hmmm... 樂樂


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36 miles or so.

 

[Deleted member 196796]

Sounds like quite a cavalry...drug bust?

You would be seeing DEA if a drug bust wouldn't you? Not FBI.

 

[expatCanada]

http://people.com/crime/liberty-german-abigail-williams-photo-suspect-hero-teen/

[FONT=&quot]“This young lady’s a hero, there’s no doubt about it,” Indiana State Police Public Information Officer Sgt. Tony Slocum said of Liberty’s quick thinking. “To activate the video system on her cell phone to record criminal behavior that’s about to occur … there’s no doubt in our minds that [this] young lady is a hero.”[/FONT]

Quote and link please?

ETA LE quote please, not media paraphrasing.

 

[asyousay]

Everything you say is true. My explanation is that there were one or more individuals involved in this crime and they were near or behind the girls at the south end of the bridge.

But if Libby was recording and there were two voices would mean LE would know that.

But they have said they simply don't know if BG is down the hill guy which would make you think there is only one voice on that video/audio.

 

[Yvettea]

The video I watched showed that they was on one of the platforms , they was not off the bridge. Close to the end of the bridge but certainly not off it at that point.


ETA- the video was showing where about the suspect was and showed the plateform that Libby was on.

Grayhuze did say that in an early video (placed them on a platform) but his latest video made after new evidence was acquired places them off the bridge on the south east end.

 

[fruity]

http://people.com/crime/liberty-german-abigail-williams-photo-suspect-hero-teen/

[FONT="]“This young lady’s a hero, there’s no doubt about it,” Indiana State Police Public Information Officer Sgt. Tony Slocum said of Liberty’s quick thinking. “To activate the video system on her cell phone to record criminal behavior that’s about to occur … there’s no doubt in our minds that [this] young lady is a hero.”[/FONT]

Thanks, I found it too. I had only read media paraphrasing of the quote until now and I'm at the stage where I will only believe something if LE said it directly.

 

[WickedLester]

But if Libby was recording and there were two voices would mean LE would know that.

But they have said they simply don't know if BG is down the hill guy which would make you think there is only one voice on that video/audio.

Agreed. Seems to me they don't have video of him speaking so they can't be sure. But if they had 2 voices they would know 2 '.

 

[Lilowlet]

I honestly think this was such a fast moving crime that it didn't involve any time spent on lures. I don't think he needed that to get them moving.

I saw a post earlier about there being two perps because of the girls not trying to flee (because there was a second person behind them and they were effectively blocked from getting away). I can see that there may have been two people. But I would think that if someone was going to convince two kids to go along with them using a ruse that an injured friend or dog or whatever needed help down the hill, the person on the bridge would have been a woman, not a menacing male. The latter would have been farther on to ensure control of the victims.

I try to stay with what was simplest for the killer. It makes sense to me that a skilled predator with the boldness to do this in broad daylight would also have no issue with moving fast toward them and revealing a weapon and immediately giving directions before they could do much of anything. If I saw someone coming toward me at a quick pace and I was clearly in trouble, certainly if I was a child, I would be afraid to try and go past them toward the other direction, and afraid to turn and run for fear of being assaulted from behind. And on a precarious bridge, that would be even scarier.

My sense is, even if there were two people, this was a very fluid ambush-like situation and BG knew what he was going to do once he was in their space and he did so with not much effort. I say that also because of what appears to be a very short crime timeline.

This makes sense I get where you're coming from. But IMO I don't think it would take long to tell someone such a thing. I've read a few stories of children being coaxed into cars with promises of free puppies within aatter of seconds. But these girls were older.. as you mentioned, a female might possibly make them feel more comfortable. It gives more to think about
Thanks! I liked your post.

 

[Bemused]

You would be seeing DEA if a drug bust wouldn't you? Not FBI.

I've worked with both on the same case so I guess it would depend.

 

[Wsimm]

Thanks for your insight. I understand it more now and while I do not think BG is RL I am still curious as to if he saw something, and like I posted a moment ago. It left his boot prints behind as well, fresh ones. Thus making him look like he was involved but that wasn't the case so he zipped it as not to be pinned and rightfully so. Imo

If this was the case "zipping it" let's remember this in itself is a crime and then you further add falsifying information and RL is back to stacking himself up against a cinder block wall! If RL's attorney had any knowledge of RL witnessing a crime while at the same time he was breaking probation I find it difficult to believe said attorney would not advise him to do a bit of "chirping" for his own benefit! IMO

 

[expatCanada]

He changed his opinion in #3 video @ around 11:00 or so
[video=youtube;DZzBCyLSI0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZzBCyLSI0E[/video]

The video I watched showed that they was on one of the platforms , they was not off the bridge. Close to the end of the bridge but certainly not off it at that point.


ETA- the video was showing where about the suspect was and showed the plateform that Libby was on.

 

[Jethro4WS]

The video I watched showed that they was on one of the platforms , they was not off the bridge. Close to the end of the bridge but certainly not off it at that point.


ETA- the video was showing where about the suspect was and showed the plateform that Libby was on.

If you are talking about GH's video then that is an older one. His latest one has at least Libby off the bridge.

 

[Yvettea]

Agreed. Seems to me they don't have video of him speaking so they can't be sure. But if they had 2 voices they would know 2 '.

Exactly, and if there were two the girls stayed where they were because they were very threatened.

 

[asyousay]

If you are talking about GH's video then that is an older one. His latest one has at least Libby off the bridge.

No I watched videos from Julie Melvin , I think related to one of the family's i read.

 

[Yvettea]

If this was the case "zipping it" let's remember this in itself is a crime and then you further add falsifying information and RL is back to stacking himself up against a cinder block wall! If RL's attorney had any knowledge of RL witnessing a crime while at the same time he was breaking probation I find it difficult to believe said attorney would not advise him to do a bit of "chirping" for his own benefit! IMO

We're not aware of RL's attorney demonstrating poor judgment; it certainly seems RL has little to any judgment.
ETA: Didn't he violate all the conditions of his probation?

 

[Bemused]

If this was the case "zipping it" let's remember this in itself is a crime and then you further add falsifying information and RL is back to stacking himself up against a cinder block wall! If RL's attorney had any knowledge of RL witnessing a crime while at the same time he was breaking probation I find it difficult to believe said attorney would not advise him to do a bit of "chirping" for his own benefit! IMO

Lying to a federal agent in a case is a felony, IIRC. Didn't Martha Stewart do a stint in prison for the lie(s)?

 

[Jethro4WS]

But if Libby was recording and there were two voices would mean LE would know that.

But they have said they simply don't know if BG is down the hill guy which would make you think there is only one voice on that video/audio.

Maybe. But I believe there is audio evidence of at least one other person involved in these murders.

 

[FrostedGlass]

If the time stamps of Libby's pic and BG's pic are accurate, the girls had ~20 to spend doing something before BG came along.

I wonder if they went down the hill to take pics and stumbled into a couple of druggies waiting to meet up with BG. Maybe they got a little rough with the girls and that scared them, causing them to threaten to call the cops when they got home. When they went back up the hill, there was BG on the bridge and things escalated from there.

I think the bodies were placed on the other side of the creek in order to keep the investigation on that side for as long as possible.

 

[asyousay]

Grayhuze did say that in an early video (placed them on a platform) but his latest video made after new evidence was acquired places them off the bridge on the south east end.

Thank you , I will check that out as I have never watched his videos. I watched the ones from Julie Melvin

[video=youtu;NJopmUgnMAc]http://youtu.be/NJopmUgnMAc[/video]

 

[asyousay]

Maybe. But I believe there is audio evidence of at least one other person involved in these murders.

So why would LE not say that ?


I believe there is only one voice and the only reason they can't say it's BG is because they can not see his face on the audio.