IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #48

[Jethro4WS]

Why do you believe this?


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Because I believe there were more than one perpetrator involved. I assume that in that scenario that more than one would have spoken at one point or another up until the discovery by the perpetrators of Libby's phone - if they discovered her phone that is.

 

[Willi139]

This case has consumed me due to Liberty German looking so much like my 13 year old daughter . When it first appeared on the news it brought me to tears .. liberty like my daughter had a stout but athletic build , not your first choice when seeking a victim which brings me to my analysis ... in my past I worked with sex offenders and was a corrections officer before receiving a degree in speech pathology specializing in voice disorders .. there is a point here.
IMO we need to focus on either someone the girls were familiar with or someone of authority .. my reasoning;
The perp knew he was going to be dealing with these two girls , I say this because in a crime of opportunity it would be to much of a liability to try to manipulate and control two victims and liberty looked like she could take care of herself.. the possibility of one of them getting away would be to great a risk.
As I listened to the recording im fairly certain I hear "go down the hill" phonetically =gadown the hill" im not hearing a plosive "t" as in "get down the hill" which would be a directive... its possible the initial contact may have seemed relatively safe to the girls but uneasy enough libby kept her phone recording. Could BG have been taking them to see something interesting or needed help. Either way Im convinced he knew the area and knew of the girls .. this is a smart man this was planned IMO.
My last thought .. I listened very closely to the recording and to recordings of RLs voice .. to me they are far from a match.. Id put my reputation on saying this is not RLs voice . The pitch and inflections are in no way similar

 

[Jethro4WS]

It may be a female voice imo and that could be the twist.

I agree strongly. My working theory if there is more than one perpetrator is that at least one of them is female.

 

[Lilowlet]

Yes, the media's knowledge of SW and their presence spoke volumes....

I agree. I just feel bad that it took away from the real issue at hand but then again I would suppose it did maybe in some way I hope lead others to research about the girls as well.

 

[Yvettea]

It only takes one tweet to a reporter from a local who happened to notice LE activity at that location. To read more into it, considering how little we know, is probably unwarranted.

In the initial reporting of the search warrant at RL's it was only one reporter there. All other search warrants were served with no reporting by media at all.

 

[Bemused]

I agree. I just feel bad that it took away from the real issue at hand but then again I would suppose it did maybe in some way I hope lead others to research about the girls as well.

Evidence recovered, if it was, that is related to the murders of Abby and Libby is the real issue at hand. That's why those FBI, ISP, and other LE were there because they've said so. They had probable cause to search RL's property based, according to LE, on information, tips, or evidence, paraphrase, that they'd developed since the murders. There is a reason they seized the vehicle. Although we do not know what else they seized, at least one reporter reported they left with "armloads". They were there at least 10 or more hours conducting that search. There is a good reason for it, IMO, because they have a double homicide to solve and I doubt they'd waste time making a show for the media.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I found this yesterday as I was looking through old articles and footage. I didn't remember seeing it but most of you probably have but FWIW:

You can see cars at the top, so I am assuming that that is the private road that goes under the bridge. It looks like some slide marks to me. Maybe one of you know about this?

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...tent&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

This picture has no crime scene tape but I wonder why it was photographed? It looks to be near the spot with the yellow tape as you can see those same cars in the upper left corner.

There are three creeks on the South side of the bridge that flow into Deer Creek. One, is an intermittent creek that flows right behind the house that is almost due south of the bridge (the bridge is a NW to SE orientation) and part way along the private drive before heading toward the creek. There is likely a small bridge that runs over it on that private road. The second creek runs behind the house that is almost due East of the bridge. And the third creek runs along the west side of the private road. A LIDAR view with hydrology overlays shows the western-most and eastern-most creeks depicted with water. The intermittent stream is in the middle.

 

[Lilowlet]

At the south end of the bridge - and only by the bridge not in the woods below or elsewhere on the south side of the creek - is one marked off area. The other marked off area is where the girls were found on the north side of the creek on RL's property.

Thanks!

 

[Bemused]

In the initial reporting of the search warrant at RL's it was only one reporter there. All other search warrants were served with no reporting by media at all.

I saw more than one if you're talking about March 17th.

 

[Mercedes]

I just cannot keep up with all of this. I am trying to check in most every day, but can't keep up with all of the threads.
Ugh!!:gaah:

Nothing much new happening. RL sentenced to 31/2 years in prison on Monday. He took it hard. Scanner thread has interesting stuff from post #301 forward. Sgt. Leazenby said "at this point RL is still involved in the investigation but I still would not attach the label suspect to him." No new suspects mentioned. If you have not reviewed scanner thread for last few days, would recommend skimming it. Hope this helps. :sothere:

 

[GangaMa]

LE has only released a small portion of the audio. So we don't know what else has been recorded. I believe there are at least two perpetrators. Therefore, I expect there is audio evidence of at least two perpetrators. All of the perpetrators would know that if they had said anything around the time (some period before or after) "down the hill" was spoken that there is the possibility that LE has that. That might make the perpetrators wary of each other. The audio could be inaudible to the point that all that can be determined is that it is not the girls and likely not the person that said "down the hill". It could be perfectly clear. All I know is that LE has been teasing about whether they believe there is more than one person involved or not. And like I said, if there is more than one involved I expect that there is audio evidence of more than one person.

This plays in to the theory that at least one perp was a local and one was/is related to a local. Maybe Uncle Bob got nephew Jim (all made-up names) to go to the park with him for some "fun", or whatever these people would say. Nephew is not prepared for what eventually happens and is now shaking in his boots, hoping that LE will never know it was him and his uncle. Uncle Bob, meanwhile, has gone back to OK, or ID, or wherever he lives. Maybe the 3rd homicide victim in Delphi that month put Uncle and Nephew together. Fates have been sealed for less.
JMO.

 

[BoggLed in Ohio]

This case has consumed me due to Liberty German looking so much like my 13 year old daughter . When it first appeared on the news it brought me to tears .. liberty like my daughter had a stout but athletic build , not your first choice when seeking a victim which brings me to my analysis ... in my past I worked with sex offenders and was a corrections officer before receiving a degree in speech pathology specializing in voice disorders .. there is a point here.
IMO we need to focus on either someone the girls were familiar with or someone of authority .. my reasoning;
The perp knew he was going to be dealing with these two girls , I say this because in a crime of opportunity it would be to much of a liability to try to manipulate and control two victims and liberty looked like she could take care of herself.. the possibility of one of them getting away would be to great a risk.
As I listened to the recording im fairly certain I hear "go down the hill" phonetically =gadown the hill" im not hearing a plosive "t" as in "get down the hill" which would be a directive... its possible the initial contact may have seemed relatively safe to the girls but uneasy enough libby kept her phone recording. Could BG have been taking them to see something interesting or needed help. Either way Im convinced he knew the area and knew of the girls .. this is a smart man this was planned IMO.
My last thought .. I listened very closely to the recording and to recordings of RLs voice .. to me they are far from a match.. Id put my reputation on saying this is not RLs voice . The pitch and inflections are in no way similar

I agree with you on the voice and I have always said I hear "go down the hill," it's most definitely there. I've ben doing medical transcription over 20 years so I'm used to hearing recordings also. I do hear it as only three syllables however it sounds like he scrunched up the first two words as if they were one, therefore leaving the impression that he's really only saying three words but he's actually saying four, in my opinion. I hear "GoDown The Hill" and the "GoDown" part is spoken quickly leaving the impression that its only one word being spoken right there but its not IMO.

 

[Burnt Toast]

The bodies were on his land so it makes sense he is still involved but the police don't consider him a suspect.

he has not been cleared. i don't think we are likely to hear that there is a suspect in this case until there is an arrest.

 

[MistyWaters]

Reposting this from an news report dated February 23rd. To me it seems obvious that by now the case does not hinge on pending DNA results from any mid March SW.


INDIANAPOLIS, Ind.- On Thursday, investigators say they had recovered DNA evidence from the Delphi crime scene where two girls, 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German, were found murdered.

That evidence now has top priority for processing by investigators. It’s a strong lead, in a case where authorities have been clamoring for any clue about the murderer. But just how important could is this DNA evidence be?

It is now the third piece of evidence investigators have said publicly they have: the grainy suspect photo, that chilling audio of a man’s voice saying “down the hill,” and now some kind of DNA sample......<>......

It can sometimes take two days to a week to generate a DNA profile from evidence, if not longer.

“But if you are fast-tracking it…if it’s a case that’s got some urgency to it, it can be done in a couple of days,” said Bush.

Which is what Sheriff Leazenby said is happening. But while DNA can bolster a case, Dr. Bush says it’s not always a slam dunk on its own.....
http://fox59.com/2017/02/23/dna-evidence-recovered-in-delphi-murder-investigation/








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[shrimplegs99]

Quote Originally Posted by St. Anthony2017 View Post

It may be a female voice imo and that could be the twist.

From jethro -
"I agree strongly. My working theory if there is more than one perpetrator is that at least one of them is female."

Interesting... what leads you to believe a second perp would be female?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Could there be an option to reduce RL's sentence (pv) *IF* he does finally share info that he's been sitting on for all this time?
I'm curious if he was stopped speaking( by counsel ) to LE only due to him possibly admitting and adding even more information to his parole violation only.
Do we know if he was hushed up regarding info regarding the girls' murders?
He just seems too Cold to be protecting anyone who had the gall to choose his property to be the CS location.But, If he is covering for someone, is he covering up evidence that even more of his property , outbuildings are involved?.
At this point I can't see the man obliging to cover up anything that someone else did, regardless of their relationship/friendship to or with him.
What's the probable cause for the SW? Did he give the Monster a ride?
PC for his SW must be big, considering so many LE involved, msm crews, etc. I believe if the other 12- 15 (iirc) sw's were as long or as involved as RL's there would have been at least one msm reporter there.

All the above is purely speculation, opinion, and grasping at straws.

Sorry just getting caught up today....

RSBBM:

Could it be possible, RL wanted a ride into town and he let a stranger drive him there? Someone he just met? Just thinking out loud.

 

[Mamamerced]

This makes sense I get where you're coming from. But IMO I don't think it would take long to tell someone such a thing. I've read a few stories of children being coaxed into cars with promises of free puppies within aatter of seconds. But these girls were older.. as you mentioned, a female might possibly make them feel more comfortable. It gives more to think about
Thanks! I liked your post.

Or someone they knew.

 

[Lilowlet]

Evidence recovered, if it was, that is related to the murders of Abby and Libby is the real issue at hand. That's why those FBI, ISP, and other LE were there because they've said so. They had probable cause to search RL's property based, according to LE, on information, tips, or evidence, paraphrase, that they'd developed since the murders. There is a reason they seized the vehicle. Although we do not know what else they seized, at least one reporter reported they left with "armloads". They were there at least 10 or more hours conducting that search. There is a good reason for it, IMO, because they have a double homicide to solve and I doubt they'd waste time making a show for the media.

True, I should have worded it better. I meant like, making inadvertantly peoples think he specifically is BG maybe and some might have just given up on their own tip thinking this meant something more instead of still looking. Anyway I say it it sounds wrong to me but I get what I'm saying sorry for confusion.imo

 

[Burnt Toast]

It only takes one tweet to a reporter from a local who happened to notice LE activity at that location. To read more into it, considering how little we know, is probably unwarranted.

i think that the fact that LE spoke to reporters on the day of the search at RL's speaks volumes. They spelled out exactly why they were there. They had not done that at any other search, even with media present. How LE handled this search was much different.

 

[cluciano63]

If LE does NOT know, or suspect, who the killer is by now, they may come to regret not releasing more info that may have helped to identify the man in the image.