IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #49

[Sir WiggleBottom III]

I know this has been gone over but it's been several threads back I think What do we know about RL's whereabouts on 2/14?

Thanks.

He is not a suspect, that's like asking as to anyone in the proximity as to their whereabouts that day.

 

[WebSight]

Nin you and WebSight are both so good at this and I may not have much to offer but I have had a thought I wanted to throw out and this seems a good time to do it. The 2 shots of BG are so different in lighting which I know can change in seconds as clouds pass. But as comparing them one day I thought it seemed that the second frame where he is tilted with foot up seemed to show more of the bridge ties surface as though her phone was tilted down. We know she was moving some. When I take shots on my phone I sometimes tilt my phone and pick up light differently. I hope I'm describing it right. Tilting it vertically or down at the top. To me it almost looked like the difference in a shot if you started in a sitting position then stood up. But I don't think that was the case. Maybe she raised her hand somewhat. You may have thought of all that but I just wanted to offer up the idea of how her movement may change the perspective.

Ocgrad, Hope you don't mind me chiming in here!

I know exactly what you mean about the light changing depending on the angle of the phone. I've noticed that in general and never thought about it because in my life it has no ramifications. However, I think that was a great observation by you to think of it and apply it here. It helps to make sense, to me anyway, of the variance in the two stills. :yes: If the girls and I do more experimenting it will be something else we add to the mix!

 

[Bemused]

He has never been named a suspect, according to what we've read and he's still not a suspect according to what LE tells MSM. How much more can they say other than "He is not a suspect."? (many times)

"At this time". "Rule him out or more of a suspect".

March 17th PC search warrant interviews with ISP Sgts. Riley and Slocum.

 

[FIgnacio]

Why police don't check cameras, in gas station, road, maybe they will find something.


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[Bemused]

I know this has been gone over but it's been several threads back I think What do we know about RL's whereabouts on 2/14?

Thanks.

In a media interview he said he went to Delphi during the search on 2/14 and when he returned the girls had been found.

 

[Sir WiggleBottom III]

"At this time". "Rule him out or more of a suspect".

March 17th PC search warrant interviews with ISP Sgts. Riley and Slocum.

Unless we staunchly disagree as to word definitions, "at this time," would refer to currently, the present. Thus by definition, this person is NOT currently, at this time, right now. Not a suspect.

 

[Jax49]

Exactly, maybe the killer asked for some location meanwhile he was recording.


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Hum. Maybe we're not on the same wave link.

I mean, did BG have a device which had the words recorded on it and played it so that it would be recorded on the girl's phone.

 

[indy53]

He is not a suspect, that's like asking as to anyone in the proximity as to their whereabouts that day.

And yet, he's the ONLY human being we're allowed to sleuth here. So his whereabouts are more relevant than anyone else "in the proximity" as far as we know right now.

 

[FIgnacio]

Hum. Maybe we're not on the same wave link.

I mean, did BG have a device which had the words recorded on it and played it so that it would be recorded on the girl's phone.

Too much difficult, some guy was walking casual and he asked something and recorded it.


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[asyousay]

Hum. Maybe we're not on the same wave link.

I mean, did BG have a device which had the words recorded on it and played it so that it would be recorded on the girl's phone.

How could BG predicted the girls would record him or that they would have any device that could record him?

 

[Sir WiggleBottom III]

And yet, he's the ONLY human being we're allowed to sleuth here. So his whereabouts are more relevant than anyone else "in the proximity" as far as we know right now.

You can be fairly certain LE is well aware of his movements that day. Yet still state and publicly no less "is not suspected in this crime"

 

[ocgrad]

Well, if the CCSO is lead(which I believe has been stated), and they don't have any more of an idea who their suspect is than they did on day one, they may just be at a loss on how to proceed. This is bigger and different than anything they've ever worked on. They've said as much. They may figure(and may have even been told) that the 13,000 or so tips generated early on are likely to be their best and only real chance at apprehending the guy, and that "one tip" they referred to needing several weeks back will likely be just that...one tip. It would likely come from a friend or family member of the suspect, and make take months or years before they receive it. They are not going to say this case is cold, even it seems to be, because they never say that unless it's been a decade or so, and even then they usually say "this is an active investigation, and this case is NOT cold". It's also election year for Sheriff Leazenby, so he has to be careful to not give any appearance of incompetency, no matter how hard he may be working on the case. Right now they have some time to flounder a bit, if that's what's happening, at least until the 6 weeks are up from the time of the SW at RL's home. Once that time is up, if they haven't made an arrest, maybe we will see another PC or some plea for help from the public? I believe that date will be ~4/24. Until then we are in limbo, as I suspect are they.

We have a case here in TX where at first there was a larger presence with the FBI, TX Rangers, ATFB. Then as time went the other agencies went back to their homes but the local LE has maintained that their lead investigators speak with the FBI agents also working the case weekly. Don't assume just because the agents are not in Delphi any longer that they are not working the case.

 

[Jax49]

How could BG predicted the girls would record him or that they would have any device that could record him?

It would have taken planning, but since I think he was a trolling killer (possibly serial) it doesn't seem impossible.

Libby was using her phone to take pics so if he observed them he'd have known. Plus, most teens have phones (at least in my experience).

Just thinking out loud. Problems with this theory are welcomed and appreciated.

 

[Sir WiggleBottom III]

It would have taken planning, but since I think he was a trolling killer (possibly serial) it doesn't seem impossible.

Libby was using her phone to take pics so if he observed them he'd have known. Plus, most teens have phones (at least in my experience). Just thinking out loud. Problems with this theory are welcomed and appreciated.

I would assume a "troll" killer would be aware of cloud storage, unless your stating he was well aware he was recorded

 

[Daae]

Did you send this tip in?


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Should i????

 

[Sir WiggleBottom III]

Should i????

you should, anything helps

 

[Jax49]

I would assume a "troll" killer would be aware of cloud storage, unless your stating he was well aware he was recorded

I'm suggesting he intended to be recorded. But not in his real voice. moo

 

[otto]

Nin you and WebSight are both so good at this and I may not have much to offer but I have had a thought I wanted to throw out and this seems a good time to do it. The 2 shots of BG are so different in lighting which I know can change in seconds as clouds pass. But as comparing them one day I thought it seemed that the second frame where he is tilted with foot up seemed to show more of the bridge ties surface as though her phone was tilted down. We know she was moving some. When I take shots on my phone I sometimes tilt my phone and pick up light differently. I hope I'm describing it right. Tilting it vertically or down at the top. To me it almost looked like the difference in a shot if you started in a sitting position then stood up. But I don't think that was the case. Maybe she raised her hand somewhat. You may have thought of all that but I just wanted to offer up the idea of how her movement may change the perspective.

I don't think the suspect is a mere 52" tall.

 

[Sir WiggleBottom III]

I'm suggesting he intended to be recorded. But not in his real voice. moo

Interesting, can you expand upon this theory? and what is MOO?

 

[ab01]

He is not a suspect, that's like asking as to anyone in the proximity as to their whereabouts that day.

Originally Posted by Tricia
Let me try and clear this up for you.


Always remember hardly anything on Websleuths is Black and White. Websleuths has lots of gray areas.


Rarely do police ever say someone is a suspect unless it is obvious like Bridge Guy.


What we have to do in certain cases is use our common sense.


Why did the police get a search warrant for RL the land owner where Abby and Libby's bodies were found?


Why did the police violate his parole? If someone could find a link verifying this. I will retract if I am incorrect.


Why was RL given over three years in prison for driving convictions?

Didn't the police say he was not cooperating? You have to wonder if there is a deal to be made with RL if he cooperates.


Is there anyone else the police are looking into that has anything close to the connection to the case like RL other than BG?


To get a search warrant for his house police needed probable cause.


As the owner of Websleuths, it is up to me to make these decisions about who can be discussed and who can't. I do so by following the Websleuths guidelines along with discussing among the mods and using common sense.


Here is another good example. The murder of Dr. Teresa Sievers.


Her husband Mark wasn't ever pointed out as a suspect until shortly before he was arrested. However, his behavior made it obvious he was hiding something. This is why early on Websleuths allowed Mark Sievers to be discussed as a suspect. Same with his friend Wayne.


We take each case on its merits.


In this case, because the police had probable cause for a search warrant members can sleuth RL ONLY. Not his family, not his friends. Also, we have stated over and over no one is saying he is guilty. If someone calls him a murderer please alert and we will remove.


So when a member feels like a guy that used to date Abby or Libby's mom kind of looks like BG and wants to sleuth him we say absolutely not.


RL owned the land the bodies were found on. We did not allow sleuthing him at this point at all. It was only when the police served the search warrant did we allow members to sleuth.


Police have said he is not a suspect. They said this before, during, and after the search warrant of RL's home.


You have to use common sense and go by what police have done in the past to make these decisions.


One more thing, we only allow the initials of RL. Why? So when someone Googles his name Websleuths won't come up.


However, you go to all the other sites on the Internet, and they are tearing RL apart, using his real name and sleuthing God knows what about his past.


At Websleuths we do our best to balance between letting you discuss and being sensitive to people's situations.


You will not find any other forum on the Internet that works harder than we do to be as fair as possible.


Remember, if it too much for you and you feel it's wrong no one is forcing you to stay.


Thank you,
Tricia
Thanks Tricia

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