IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #5

[TravelingBug]

The mystery man goes from being a POI to a Suspect yet he is still on the loose??? How does this happen? Would they not need something from him to connect him to the murders ?

Perhaps there's more footage of him elsewhere that's not been released - say carrying something (possibly a backpack or clothing? :thinking belonging to one of the girls or something like that...

Could also explain the request today for anyone that saw him discard a backpack, or saw a duffle bag or something discarded near Logansport. (Both backpack and a duffle bag having specifically been mentioned today by LE) - if LE has shots of him carrying something that was known to belong to the girls and/or a shot of him just leaving the area carrying something he wasn't seen carrying in other images, upping their reasons to believe he is a suspect?

Maybe something belonging to one of the girls was even found elsewhere, a direction the way he was seen to go or they have reason to believe he went, and that ties to him it?

I think there are a variety of possibilities.

 

[jillycat]

Photo suspect now identified as probable perp
http://www.wthr.com/article/tips-pour-in-after-suspect-identified-in-delphi-double-homicide

There has been some argument on this board that it doesn't matter if this still came from a phone or trail cam. I respectfully disagree. If the video still came from a trail cam then the LE have a record of all foot traffic on the
bridge. Very different investigation than one relying on a single video taken by one witness in the area.
I believe it is a trail cam still due to the angle of the photo and the compression of the file. In no way do I
believe the girls filmed the video. Impossible to achieve this video unless from a greater height. And looking
at the topography not achievable. It is from a trail cam. Which is good as the LE have a fairly decent
timeline and lead on suspects.

I also agree that a video feed could explain racing back to the scene. It is very likely cops would leave a live
feed camera as perps are known to revisit crime scenes. Very possible a live feed showed someone representing the perp.

FBI involvement? Wouldn't be surprising given a media covered double homicide by an inexperienced small county LE.

How did the girls end up down there? Being athletic and loving photography it is not all that unlikely to
me that they may have hiked down to the graveyard. I'm a hiker and the terrain is not at all that rough. We
aren't talking Colorado or Adirondacks. A mild ravine. It is however difficult topography to drag a body
through. The girls were apparently tracked through footprints. There is no evidence on video of bodies being
dragged through fallen leaves. Massive tracks would have been left.

They were killed there. What I find strange is the different dates of death. The 13th for Libby and
14th for Abby. Did she bleed out slowly?

I can see a definite gun in that POI's pocket. Looks like a 9mm. Which is not all that strange that he
would carry while hiking. What is strange is he hasn't come forward. Now identified as a likely perp

I've never followed this board before. This case just intrigues and saddens me. I hope they catch this *******.
Women learn to carry weapons and defend yourself. It is estimated that over 25% of college students are raped.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-one-murdered-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/friend-of-delphi-girl-i-question-everything
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidMacAnally/status/832054316554924033/photo/1
http://elitedaily.com/news/photo-of-man-found-liberty-german-murder/1793848/

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen anyone claim the source of the video doesn't matter.

We really don't know what all police have on video or don't, but I do think they have more than those two frames, so don't understand why they aren't showing more to the public and offering more opportunity to identify him.

I don't see a 9mm gun. It may be there, but I don't see anything that definitive.

 

[katydid23]

That was my question earlier after someone speculated they have 'hard evidence' and someone else said 'DNA". But I don't see how they can have anything from the person (subject) seen walking on the bridge.

JUst speculation and a possible example:

What if they found a camo cap or a piece of ripped clothing or a utility belt, left behind at the crime scene?

 

[TravelingBug]

Here is the quote and link to the news story of the 2nd press conference after the girls were identified. With no one in custody, LE believed the community was not in danger.
"They say they don’t believe there’s any immediate danger to the community."
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/02/16/time...eenagers-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

In retrospect and in light of the newer info where they seem to think he came from elsewhere from the start?

As in, perhaps they thought all along the person was NOT a local and hitch hiked or drove himself there, thus the danger wasn't in the local community? :thinking:

Perhaps the search of the home nearby was only because of a large number of local tips and wanting to fully rule the person out, just in case what could have been possible info early on that he wasn't even still in the area?

As in maybe they had more footage of him from the beginning showing him entering or leaving the area on a road or something, pointing away from someone local, and only released the bridge shots, not wanting the suspect to realize what all they knew about him, but then people got hung up on the local possibilities only and so LE is now forced into tipping their hand with this hitch-hiker / out of the immediate area bit to maybe having known he wasn't still around in the area since immediately after? :dunno:

Thus it being true Delphi not being in danger because the suspect wasn't even still around and presumably would be smart enough not to come right back if he'd thought he'd made a full getaway undetected, yet them not being able to reveal why?

 

[BUF]

Just my thoughts...

When I initially saw the photo of the man on the trail I thought he had so many layers of clothing on as he had been out there for a while when it was colder. I have always had the feeling that he was there waiting for an opportune time and opportune victim(s), prepared. My feeling is that he used a knife on one of the girls (like by her throat) and told the other to keep quiet and obey. He was familiar with this area and surrounding land and he was on foot.

One of the reasons that LE approached the community the way they did (I found bizarre also) is maybe because they did receive a tip and had an ID on this perp, confirmed by evidence they collected. The way they continue to ask for any information 'could' be because they don't want to tip him off that they know who he is. I hope they arrest him soon before he re-offends.

Barcode, I totally agree with you about the backpack.

 

[LietKynes]

I'm just not seeing it...it's no different the wood grain in a door that looks like owls (those I saw lol)

Having these couple of pictures are making people zoom in on every nail, twig and rock. I get it but I think it's getting a bit crazy.

Only thing we really need to concentrate on is that man. Did guitar ever come back and post the cleaned up version and I missed it?

SABBM

I've no problem with that !
Good observation, jdj.

It's interesting that LE have positively stated the man in the bridge pic IS a suspect.
If it was a still from a trail cam-- LE must know that no one else was on that bridge or walking through the area except the two girls and himself.

I'm also wondering if there are any trail cams that captured footage that the public is unaware of-- cams that are elsewhere in the woods or by other areas around the bridge/trail ??
If it's video of the suspect walking after the girls-- I'd release it since it could hold more clues.
But I'm not the LE working on this case.
:moo:
MOO

 

[steelman]

I did not just flood the bathroom because I forgot I put the plug in and ran a bath, I didn't honestly



:scared::shame:

That's the kind of thing that helps to keep the people in the towel and mop business.....................in the towel and mop business.

 

[roseofsharon]

Hope LE is also looking at cctv's from local businesses, specifically Pizza Hut and others.

 

[Confusion]

Hi Jilly,

The backpack is key to me, for several reasons. I know some people think they see the perp with a backpack on as well as seeing Elvis but I think is is clearly one of the girls backpack, here is why. If the backpack belonged to perp, why would he discard it? More importantly, LE wants to know if anyone saw someone disposing of backpack....because that would neatly tie up their case against said person. Someone seeing the person(that person) in possession of one of the girls backpack's would have some explaining to do. Which also leads me to believe backpack was not in close proximity to where bodies were found.

If the backpack belonged to him and he had planned the murders ahead of time, it may have held a change of clothes originally and his bloody clothes when he got rid of it. If that were the case, they could have a lot of DNA from him once they find him.

ETA I just saw that Elainera already said that.

 

[JJ007]

Without mentioning names, profiles, etc., When you expand a search of prior convictions for violent offenders who's counties border this one the list goes way up for those who could be possible killers. When the LEOs do a sweep to check on all these guys do they actually get a confirmed alibi? I would assume anyone who's violently offended children in the past would get a very hard look? And maybe that's what they're doing? Going through each and every one to confirm where they were on this date at this time or is that a violation of their rights? Just curious. I counted 5 or so that are in violation (meaning haven't checked in, they don't know where they are, etc.). Just curious what the process is when eliminating and if they have to dig into them providing there is no DNA? Because you can't tell me a prior conviction, knowing a victim and being known to frequent these types of places isn't a classic profile. Idk. Just seems like it would be easier to go through these guys (and gals, remember women do this too) with a fine tooth comb and get down to business. I'd think you'd loose all rights having been incarcerated for this stuff before. Also, what about those who's registration ran out and they're off he lists now?

 

[lecarte]

Threw together a map of what I think transpired. I think it aligns with what some others have posted on here, particularly a post I read from Skibaboo on the previous thread.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=16zsrEQbJVk5gXeLxJeONQunneEY&usp=sharing

I also included significant locations from the aerial footage posted by one of the news outlets, as that helped me get my bearings for the area.

Unfortunately, even if this is accurate, it doesn't speak to the most important questions at this point - where did this exit the area (or enter for that matter)?

 

[TravelingBug]

Bob, here you go:

More specifically, police want to know if anyone recalls a hitchhiker along the Hoosier Heartland Highway, a person walking along a county road or highway, Riley said.

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...t/98158706/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

Also (possible through-point en route further?)

"We're trying to get people that were driving down the Hoosier Heartland, that were on the interstate, that were in Logansport that might have saw somebody walking, hitchhiking-- if they saw a duffle bag laying somewhere, anything. We're just reaching out for people that saw anything within that distance," explained Sgt. Kim Riley with Indiana State Police."

http://www.wthr.com/article/tips-pou...ouble-homicide

I wonder if someone has come forward reporting actually seeing the same man or similar description in Logansport and/or having been hitch-hiking to/from the Logansport area?

That could explain the sudden references to walking and/or hitch hiking, the specific highway, Logansport specifically, and even a duffle bag specifically maybe having been left (or actually even found?) in the area.

 

[perfectingpink]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Delphi,+IN,+United+States/40.8004884,-85.8615067/@40.7469208,-86.435952,89125m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m9!4m8!1m5!1m1!1s0x881309e3541d5d2b:0xf17e204b5559ad82!2m2!1d-86.6750059!2d40.5875371!1m0!3e0

That is far enough away to make me really want to know what lead them to put this particular road out there.

 

[MizStery]

Color me confused too. Here is a link that shows the photo:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4240026/Man-railway-bridge-main-suspect-teens-murder.html

It's one of many that are floating around msm. If I understand correctly someone was asking about an image in the photo of Abigail, correct?

I don't think it's been photoshopped but IMO it is not anything remotely human. Not trying to be snarky but to me it looks like a giant caterpillar wearing a pussy hat. My point being that it's all too easy to "see" something that's not there when the resolution is so poor.

MsMarple when you mentioned pussyhat I just knew you were from the PN.:seeya:

This is a screenshot from a link posted yesterday.I thought the photo on the right;showing at his neck could be white loose strings he didn't cinch from the hoodie he has pulled up on his head. Or I am imagining it. :crazy:

 

[nonanks]

Finally caught up after not checking in for 4 hours ...and still nothing really new but a back pack

 

[eekasaur]

Ugh. I have nothing new to add...I just want this case solved, and sooner rather than later. These beautiful girls need justice and the families need closure.

 

[raja]

It would appear that Dobeski attention is towards little boys.

 

[nonanks]

MsMarple when you mentioned pussyhat I just knew you were from the PN.:seeya:

This is a screenshot from a link posted yesterday.I thought the photo on the right;showing at his neck could be white loose strings he didn't cinch from the hoodie he has pulled up on his head. Or I am imagining it. :crazy:

I thought the same thing...strings from a hoodie

 

[monkeypants]

That was my question earlier after someone speculated they have 'hard evidence' and someone else said 'DNA". But I don't see how they can have anything from the person (subject) seen walking on the bridge.

I'm sure the DNA is under fingernails etc but what they could have from the guy on the bridge, other than time proximity, is boot prints. FBI would have cleaned that pic up enough to make estimates on size and type etc leading to the the tread...if they have prints matching tread and size it's their link. Or they have earlier photos of him carrying a back pack and this is a later pic and he no longer has it...just my thoughts

 

[barcode]

It would appear that Dobeski attention is towards little boys.

Yes I am also pretty sure he just got released this past Friday, after the girls were killed.