IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #54

[Lilowlet]

And gladiator sandals...........

I just hope this ends before December comes again or I fear we'll have a BG Santa fiasco on our hands.

 

[BoggLed in Ohio]

Quote Originally Posted by EllieBee View Post
And gladiator sandals..........

I just hope this ends before December comes again or I fear we'll have a BG Santa fiasco on our hands.

hahahha omg you guys are killing me! I hope nobody takes these jokes the wrong way...its just that we sometimes just NEED comic relief here!!

Also...Michael Gartley..thank you so much for your expertise input! It is very much appreciated. I am utterly useless in that department and cannot even sit with crayons and draw stick figures without drooling, so when I look at what you've done above in your post it's almost too much for me to take in. I do however manage to get the gist of it.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Unfortunately, I don't think so either. Also, and I hope this isn't breaking any rules here, if so I'll delete this - but if you look up Lafayette News for Feb 13th there was a house fire that day and if you do a little more searching, I think he was there.

ETA: Just saw after I posted that someone else mentioned this as well.

I only remember that a "suspicious" house fire had happened and was considered as having perhaps some connection to Abby/Libby investigation. I didn't know at that time which house fire was meant.

 

[WebSight]

Sorry, didn't see your expert status there.

You probably know all this already.

My ipad is dreadful on this sight, especially with long posts. I'm sure you don't need me to recommend reading materials lol.

:gasp:Looks like Websight's out of a job and can give Paint and Picmonkey online photo editing a rest!

Oh wait, I was self-employed, and really, I should have fired myself a long time ago!

All I can say is :greetings:Michael.Gartley and I cannot wait to see what you have to show us!!



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[Elley Mae]

michael.gartley thanks for coming to this thread.

Is it possible michael's post could be placed at the beginning of threads for easy access? TIA

I am going to write a few posts over the next few days to try and clear up lingering questions people might have about some of the images related to the investigation.

In other words, how do you know what is real and what is a so-called "artifact" in the images?

There are many different sources of image artifacts and many different reasons for them. But generally it means something that shows up in the image, but wasn't there in the real world when the camera took the photo/video.

Compression artifacts are features in the image that appear due to the compression algorithm used when saving the image to get a smaller file size. JPEG images sometimes use a 'Quality' factor:

• 1 = small file size and bad image quality
• 100 = large file size and excellent image quality

For the lower compression quality images, you will notice a few things: blocking artifacts (8x8 pixel squares) and color artifacts (loss of color definition or appearance of color in places it shouldn't be).

Sharpening artifacts can occur when an image is sharpened for better visual display. Even though many regions of the image can look better, there may be some that look over sharpened and give the impression that things exist in the image that are not really there.

The original image I used for the above examples are from the article here:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/liber...ssing-snapchat-facebook-photos-family-bridge/

Next post, I was going to describe the difference between the original Snapchat and ISP video still images and the ones in news articles.

 

[Lilowlet]

I am going to write a few posts over the next few days to try and clear up lingering questions people might have about some of the images related to the investigation.

In other words, how do you know what is real and what is a so-called "artifact" in the images?

There are many different sources of image artifacts and many different reasons for them. But generally it means something that shows up in the image, but wasn't there in the real world when the camera took the photo/video.

Compression artifacts are features in the image that appear due to the compression algorithm used when saving the image to get a smaller file size. JPEG images sometimes use a 'Quality' factor:

• 1 = small file size and bad image quality
• 100 = large file size and excellent image quality

For the lower compression quality images, you will notice a few things: blocking artifacts (8x8 pixel squares) and color artifacts (loss of color definition or appearance of color in places it shouldn't be).

Sharpening artifacts can occur when an image is sharpened for better visual display. Even though many regions of the image can look better, there may be some that look over sharpened and give the impression that things exist in the image that are not really there.

The original image I used for the above examples are from the article here:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/liber...ssing-snapchat-facebook-photos-family-bridge/

Next post, I was going to describe the difference between the original Snapchat and ISP video still images and the ones in news articles.

Awesome Thanks! I'm kinda overly excited to know the difference in isp and sc stills.

 

[Aycheff]

Does anyone know if there's a place online for non-locals to watch the special on Abby and Libby tomorrow, either during or after it airs? I'm guessing we will likely have to wait a few days after the airing for the channel to upload it to their website.

 

[Billy Mabou]

I am going to write a few posts over the next few days to try and clear up lingering questions people might have about some of the images related to the investigation.

SBM

Michael, now that I'm back on a proper desktop and have my head on straight...

Nice to have you here!

I'm looking forward to your posts.

 

[Mamamerced]

I am not sure why he (or anyone else) would have a band aid on a nose that was broken two months ago...

"It takes about 6 weeks for nasal bones to heal fully, but you can resume normal activity after an injury in 1-2 weeks. I would avoid contact sports (basketball) for 6-8 wks after a fracture." (source)

He had the same, or similar, mark on his nose in a picture from 2016.

 

[heyitsanna421]

First post on here... I've spent the past few weeks reading through all these dozens of threads and everyday I hope to sign on and see something new. This case and the chilling words from the audio are haunting. When I was a young girl (not even that long ago, I'm 22 now) I would take hikes in local woods with my friends all the time, never giving it any second thought. It also hits close to home having a 13 year old cousin who walks with her girlfriends to the park, etc. It could have been her.

Sending prayers and best wishes from New York

 

[aprettywar620]

Quote Originally Posted by EllieBee View Post
And gladiator sandals..........



hahahha omg you guys are killing me! I hope nobody takes these jokes the wrong way...its just that we sometimes just NEED comic relief here!!

Also...Michael Gartley..thank you so much for your expertise input! It is very much appreciated. I am utterly useless in that department and cannot even sit with crayons and draw stick figures without drooling, so when I look at what you've done above in your post it's almost too much for me to take in. I do however manage to get the gist of it.

As a therapist who specializes in trauma, I believe comic relief is essential during awful, tragic situations. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to cope or be effective/helpful. Not offended at all.

 

[Hazelnutty]

First post on here... I've spent the past few weeks reading through all these dozens of threads and everyday I hope to sign on and see something new. This case and the chilling words from the audio are haunting. When I was a young girl (not even that long ago, I'm 22 now) I would take hikes in local woods with my friends all the time, never giving it any second thought. It also hits close to home having a 13 year old cousin who walks with her girlfriends to the park, etc. It could have been her.

Sending prayers and best wishes from New York

Welcome, Heyitsanna421 [emoji259] [emoji258]

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using Tapatalk

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Hi fellow WSers!

Nice to be back on wifi after a brief hiatus. Sad to find out BG was not apprehended while I was away. I'm hoping they have him in their sights and are just waiting for one more piece of the puzzle.

 

[Area52]

I'm pretty sure you can go onto to the Indy website, and they have a live feed

 

[Area52]

I'm pretty sure you can go onto to the Indy website, and they have a live feed

 

[mtnlites]

I respectfully disagree that this is unbelievable at all.

Remember Dr. Cornbleet's case? He was a dermatologist murdered in his Chicago office during work hours, in a busy building of heaps of offices. He was stabbed, and he fought back and there was so much DNA and so much video footage of the perp, not to mention so many people around as he entered and exited the building and walked those halls.

But, unless you have a clear photo or some very rare physical characteristics, unless you have the right type and amount of DNA to compare to something, unless you have someone who knows what happened (the murderer(s), someone the murderer(s) tell about it, an eye witness who saw the crime) come forward, unless you have circumstances that all point to one person, unless you have <insert other options that help catch a murderer> - and, typically, it's a combination of more than one of those things that make a case, - you are essentially looking for a needle in a haystack.

No one will randomly be able to identify BG based on those terribly fuzzy photos or the one-second voice clip.

In the case of the aforementioned doctor, the break in the case - a case in which they seemed to have so much evidence - came about 10 months after the murder. (Then he fled the country and there was a whole big legal battle, but that's a whole other story.)
There is also a thread on WS dedicated to his case, which isn't 54 threads, only a few pages, but obviously, WS has grown significantly since 2006-2007, and there are cases that attract more people than others, still today. We could have amassed twice as many threads in this case in half as much time, the number of threads has nothing to do with solving a crime; we have seen one-thread cases on here where members figured it all out.

I have no idea what evidence LE has in Abby and Libby's case, I have no idea if they're quietly building a case or they are still looking for the proverbial needle.
The point I am trying to make here is all that glitters ain't always useful evidence, and even when it is, it doesn't necessarily mean an open and shut case that can be wrapped up in a few weeks.

All MOO

I agree with most of your points. I think one of the biggest issues is actually the photo. That photo could be many, MANY people. He is dressed like most every man I know. He could be anything from 25 to 70 years old. There are no defining facial characteristics in it, other than what looks like a rather large nose. Opening it up to the public, and asking for help identifying the man from the picture, has resulted in "sightings" from the man next door to the man suspiciously purchasing 6 containers of lighter fluid in Hawaii. While I DO think BG is identifiable from the photo, I only think those who actually KNOW BG can id him from it-and only when put together with the aforementioned information (taken off from work on that day, changed their appearance recently, acting strangely, etc.). I honestly do not think he is going to be id'ed by a stranger. The massive amount of tips that have been called in could even be overwhelming them. In these cases, it either seems to be feast or famine-they get nothing or they get too much. As a web detective, I enjoy trying to "help" and LOVE discussing the case with you guys and reading everyone's theories. However, I REALLY hopeful that LE has far more information than we have seen so far. That's what my fingers are crossed for.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Here are some of my thoughts... I think too much has been speculated about the comment the LE made along the lines of what they saw/heard being things 'nightmares are made of' .

RSBM

I am just getting to his post now so I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but LE never said that. A news outlet did.

 

[DrOrchid]

Looks like fairly new facial hair growth too.

 

[skibaboo]

As a therapist who specializes in trauma, I believe comic relief is essential during awful, tragic situations. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to cope or be effective/helpful. Not offended at all.

Completely agree, which if you knew me you would know

 

[Burnt Toast]

I agree with most of your points. I think one of the biggest issues is actually the photo. That photo could be many, MANY people. He is dressed like most every man I know. He could be anything from 25 to 70 years old. There are no defining facial characteristics in it, other than what looks like a rather large nose. Opening it up to the public, and asking for help identifying the man from the picture, has resulted in "sightings" from the man next door to the man suspiciously purchasing 6 containers of lighter fluid in Hawaii. While I DO think BG is identifiable from the photo, I only think those who actually KNOW BG can id him from it-and only when put together with the aforementioned information (taken off from work on that day, changed their appearance recently, acting strangely, etc.). I honestly do not think he is going to be id'ed by a stranger. The massive amount of tips that have been called in could even be overwhelming them. In these cases, it either seems to be feast or famine-they get nothing or they get too much. As a web detective, I enjoy trying to "help" and LOVE discussing the case with you guys and reading everyone's theories. However, I REALLY hopeful that LE has far more information than we have seen so far. That's what my fingers are crossed for.

i agree with you. the photo is meant for someone who knows him. If it was my father, brother or co-worker i could recognize them even with the grainy image. I don't think the photo is meant for random strangers to identify. The person who knows this guy will not need it enhanced or filtered to recognize him in a glance and it won't matter if he is carry something in his coat or what brand it is.