IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #58

[Bird of Paradise]

Some more from my previous post link. Adding for those who feel the girls were taken elsewhere and killed then brought back to the property.

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/LOmar2007.htm

Postmortem lividity. Also known as livor mortis, this is caused by the pooling and settling of blood within the blood vessels from the effect of gravity. It appears as a purple discoloration of the skin. During life, the pumping action of the heart maintains a constant flow of blood through the numerous vessels of the body. Upon death, this pumping action ceases, and the blood pools within the dependent portions of the body. The location of livor mortis is determined by the position of the body after death. If the body is lying face down, livor will develop on the front of the body rather than on the back. The observation of lividity is important for two reasons:

1. It gives the investigator a general idea how long the body has been dead;
2. It tells you definitely whether or not the body was moved after death.

 

[kstephens98]

Since we're guessing, I would think this most likely. The scenario with them being shot, perhaps as they were fleeing. IMO

I, too, think gunshot is the most likely scenario.

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[MistyWaters]

This article is interesting as well.

Forensic Scene Investigation
Overview
The autopsy begins before the decedent reaches the morgue; that is, analysis of the body at the scene is integral to death investigation, even before the first cut. Scene investigation is commonly (and mistakenly) assumed not to be an official component of the autopsy. Alan Moritz, MD, in his oft-cited journal article "Classical Mistakes in Forensic Pathology," addresses this assumption, and the possible adverse sequelae of pathologist absence at unclear or complicated death scenes. [1] Correlation between bodily injury and all available evidence is crucial and best evaluated in the context of the death scene. The significance of certain findings "...may [only] be apparent to a medically trained person.".....(more)
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680358-overview


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[Wild Rose]

Very interesting! Then the closer towers must often reach capacity, lots of blabbing happening in your area. lol!

small town gossipers!

 

[Wild Rose]

This article is interesting as well.

Forensic Scene Investigation
Overview
The autopsy begins before the decedent reaches the morgue; that is, analysis of the body at the scene is integral to death investigation, even before the first cut. Scene investigation is commonly (and mistakenly) assumed not to be an official component of the autopsy. Alan Moritz, MD, in his oft-cited journal article "Classical Mistakes in Forensic Pathology," addresses this assumption, and the possible adverse sequelae of pathologist absence at unclear or complicated death scenes. [1] Correlation between bodily injury and all available evidence is crucial and best evaluated in the context of the death scene. The significance of certain findings "...may [only] be apparent to a medically trained person.".....(more)
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680358-overview


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We were told on the ambulance squad to take a pic of accident scene so doctors would understand impact and such when we took patients into e.r.

 

[Wild Rose]

Fishermen by me wear those jackets. I know that bridges are very attractive to fishermen, fish lay low under structures like deadfall trees and the like. LE should check fishing licenses in Indiana!

Also he might wear it underneath to hide his license I.D. to others he passes. Typically I.D.s are pinned on the jacket or the cap. If he is a fisherman he might not have a license because he has a problem with following the law, he might have been cited for fishing without a license.

 

[whiskers]

A little off subject but I came across a statistic today on the NPR website that really surprised me. Evidently 1/3 of murders in the US go unsolved. In 2015 the FBI national clearance rate for homicide was 64.1%, and even worse 'clearance' does not equal conviction, it merely means the case ended in an arrest. Criminologists estimate that 200,000 murders have gone unsolved since the 1960s.

This really surprised me. I thought with the rapid advances in technology and security cameras everywhere that catching killers was easier than ever, but somehow the clearance rate is only 64% and fifty years ago it was over 90%. This seems irrational. I guess the standards for charging people are much higher now and prosecutors demand open-and-shut cases. Regardless, 1/3 of murders going unsolved really surprised me and I thought I'd share.

http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved

It also contains a link to a different page where you can search how many crimes the police 'cleared' by a specific town or city. It appears to work and brings up a lot of information when you search a municipality.

I recently also read this statistic. If you want to commit a murder...now is the time. Doesn't that sound odd? But it's actually true based on stats.

 

[Dawning3]

I recently also read this statistic. If you want to commit a murder...now is the time. Doesn't that sound odd? But it's actually true based on stats.

I think a lot of the real murderers got away with their crimes in the past, because LE was more concerned with convicting anyone they could pin the murder on -- just to get the public off their back and to keep their stats looking good. I've seen a lot of this type of shady police work on the show "A Crime To Remember." For the most part, LE is probably doing a better job now of following proper procedures and not forcing as many false confessions as they did in the past.


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[whiskers]

I think BG is a bit stocky, but also may have slimmer legs. He doesn't have posture of some guy in his 20's. Perhaps even slight leg atrophy. He also has hips and some extra padding around his mid section.

My brother is 6'1" and is 41. He often walks with his hands in his pockets. (I've even called him BG because of the way he walks.) But his silhouette is taller than BG when he walks in a similar fashion. Sometimes he even walks with his head down. Totally different look. My brother looks much taller and slimmer.

I will say, I've looked at other people pictured on the bridge and they also seem taller than perhaps they are in real life.

 

[MistyWaters]

We were told on the ambulance squad to take a pic of accident scene so doctors would understand impact and such when we took patients into e.r.

Sounds like good and thorough doctors to me. The more information they have to assess the patients injuries, the better decisions made.

Good for you, you're a member of an ambulance squad? You do a job that we're all especially thankful for when the need arises and it personally touches our lives.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think a lot of the real murderers got away with their crimes in the past, because LE was more concerned with convicting anyone they could pin the murder on -- just to get the public off their back and to keep their stats looking good. I've seen a lot of this type of shady police work on the show "A Crime To Remember." For the most part, LE is probably doing a better job now of following proper procedures and not forcing as many false confessions as they did in the past.


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False confessions reminds me of how in this case most of the information known by LE is withheld as they state that very reason. Yet some in the general public believe they're intentionally jeopardizing the investigation by not releasing more. It seems they walk a fine line.

 

[kat913]

Anybody know if there is any correlation for kleptomania and serial killing?

I know odd question but am not well-versed in abnormal psychology....just wondered if someone was?

 

[Spiritecho]

if you have someone in mind you should call the tip line. Let LE determine if it is plausible. yes, he is about that size, although maybe a bit heavier.

Well who is he.................sigh

 

[Deleted member 718]

Fishermen by me wear those jackets. I know that bridges are very attractive to fishermen, fish lay low under structures like deadfall trees and the like. LE should check fishing licenses in Indiana!

I have a similar vest I wear when fishing. It only goes over my coat because it's filled with smelly fishing stuff I wouldn't it want next to regular clothing. I wipe my hands on it after baiting a hook or catching a fish. I can't see a fisherman wearing it under his coat. Plus it was February. Fish are still cold and not biting.

Hunting yes, fishing no. imo It was however perfect weather in mid February to catch pictures of eagles mating in air and capturing their nesting rituals. I've always thought the girls were looking for a nice picture on a sunny day. And fell into trouble.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

I have a similar vest I wear when fishing. It only goes over my coat because it's filled with smelly fishing stuff I wouldn't it want next to regular clothing. I wipe my hands on it after baiting a hook or catching a fish. I can't see a fisherman wearing it under his coat. Plus it was February. Fish are still cold and not biting.

Hunting yes, fishing no. imo It was however perfect weather in mid February to catch pictures of eagles mating in air and capturing their nesting rituals. I've always thought the girls were looking for a nice picture on a sunny day. And fell into trouble.

I don't believe Websight posted the picture thinking he was using it for fishing but rather to hold murder tools.

 

[Nanjack00]

The threads move so fast and I'm sorry if this has already been said but I had though t/wondered if maybe BG took Libby's cell phone from her so she couldn't call someone when he abducted them, but she had already pressed the record button. The then put it in HIS pocket unaware that it was recording everything that was going on. Just throwing out something I had been thinking about for a while.

 

[kat913]

The threads move so fast and I'm sorry if this has already been said but I had though t/wondered if maybe BG took Libby's cell phone from her so she couldn't call someone when he abducted them, but she had already pressed the record button. The then put it in HIS pocket unaware that it was recording everything that was going on. Just throwing out something I had been thinking about for a while.

I don't know if that has been brought up before (I'm sure it has because everything has at some point!) but I like that idea. Makes alot of sense!

Thanks Nanjack

 

[Tricia]

Thread will be closing for the night in just a bit.

 

[Tricia]

Goodnight my wonderful Sleuths with a Purpose.

See you in the morning.

G'night

Tricia

 

[Shiressleuth]

Just wanted to say when we were talking about the SW I looked on skibs case map and the searches marked are Peru, Lebanon, BBR and RL. Assuming Mears barn also opposite RL that is only 5 searches. IIRC there was also one at Indiana Packers and probably the other half dozen were for RSO addresses perhaps.
Now what about the 70 subpoenas? What would they be for? To provide information like whereabouts for example or alibis perhaps? DWK what any of them were for? LE stated some resulted in arrests so some serious stuff must have been in them IMO.