IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #60

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  • #141
Misty, this article was linked on a previous thread a week or so ago and has an interview with Lyric's dad relating his point of view on the drug angle. I'm not saying the grandmother's statements are incorrect, nor am I implying the drug angle is invalid. Just linking to another family member's opinion.
Link to article and quote from article by Dan Morrissey.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/35322823/2017/05/Tuesday/lyrics-father-speaks-out-in-prison-interview

Yeah, it doesn’t even make sense if you think about it and play it out," said Dan. "You know, why would this happen? If I had any idea of somebody that was in my life, that I owned money to or had threatened me or anything, you’d think I wouldn’t know who that person is? You know what I mean. So I mean that would be the number one suspect on the case and this thing would have been solved a long time ago. But there is absolutely nobody in my life that I owe money to or that I have told on or anything like that. That has nothing to do with my daughter... And why would they abduct Elizabeth and my daughter at the same time in another town that my daughter’s not even from on a random bike ride that nobody knew they were going to take. It doesn’t make sense."
He really does have some very good points. I wonder if in both cases it could be SA resulting in one (perhaps accidental) death and then the second death being necessary. JMO
 
  • #142
What if he is so organized that he has a way to subdue them easily...not too informed on that... but there might be a way he subdues them into being quiet (fear can freeze one immediately)...and compliant .

Just my opinion....I really wish I knew some facts!!!
Chloroform?
 
  • #143
I'm guessing a family member, perhaps an adult male family member, persuaded LE that one girl was strong willed, could be adversarial at times, even exasperating, and that she may have run off, and LE followed his lead on it in thinking foul play not likely that first night. If so, families may not feel complaint about decision should be directed toward LE if they were strongly influenced by this family member's take on things... ?
That's a great point. A dominant relative (who may even have seemed like a spokesperson for the family) may have influenced that decision. Meanwhile, other factions of the family may have followed their instincts and continued the search independently. I never thought of that. I've always assumed that when the family search continued, it was all inclusive. A split there never even occurred to me. Thanks Ember123!

And if that's the case, I sure hope LE examines that spokesperson-seeming person with extra care.

The above is just my opinion.
 
  • #144
That depends on where the hunter lives. In many areas deer hunters have to actually hunt. I have never lived where deer stands would be an effective way to hunt deer.
We have lots of tree stands where I live, I was thinking that the bridge I is like a giant tree stand when someone in a previous thread mentioned that you were level with the treetops while on it.
 
  • #145
A local who travels? Delivery or truck driver maybe?
Or someone known to them who left it all behind and hightailed it out of Dodge.

The above is just my opinion.
 
  • #146
Has anyone located a you-tube site in either Libby or Abby's name? I know Facebook has them on it and that snap-chat site, but do they have any subscriptions to other vlogers they may have been socializing with? The comment section there is notorious for foul attitudes being aired, but maybe they owned a site for their videos? I guess if Abby's mom or MP had a site it would be off-limits to sleuth there, but the girls...?
 
  • #147
If LE has more audio then they must know the motive right?
They would have to be very aware exactly what happened and a little insight as to the person committing the crime.

I do not think murder was the intent here.
He walked right across that bridge anyone could have seen him.
Jmo
 
  • #148
Has anyone located a you-tube site in either Libby or Abby's name? I know Facebook has them on it and that snap-chat site, but do they have any subscriptions to other vlogers they may have been socializing with? The comment section there is notorious for foul attitudes being aired, but maybe they owned a site for their videos? I guess if Abby's mom or MP had a site it would be off-limits to sleuth there, but the girls...?
Someone mentioned Kik a while ago on here . Would that be an app you can use? Also WhatsApp?
 
  • #149
That's a great point. A dominant relative (who may even have seemed like a spokesperson for the family) may have influenced that decision. Meanwhile, other factions of the family may have followed their instincts and continued the search independently. I never thought of that. I've always assumed that when the family search continued, it was all inclusive. A split there never even occurred to me. Thanks Ember123!

And if that's the case, I sure hope LE examines that spokesperson-seeming person with extra care.

The above is just my opinion.

JMO...
In a typical sleepy small town such as Delphi, and I have spent large quantities of time in a similar sized sleepy small town in another mid-western state, I really don't believe a double homicide would be at the top of anyone's list, or even on their radar, because the mentality (at least among the small town residents I know) is "oh, that kind of stuff never happens here. Maybe in larger cities, but not here!" These communities still have their innocence. My personal experience has been that they don't lock their doors at night, they wave to each other driving down the street, they say hello and ask how you're doing when you pass by on the sidewalk, they let their children ride their bikes across town unsupervised to go to the community pool ('town' is about one square mile), they let the grade school and middle school kids run under the bleachers and around the unlit green space next to the US route that runs through town during the high school Friday night football games. Small town residents just have a completely different experience and outlook than residents of larger areas. I've always been afraid there would be a child abduction/rape/murder in the town I'm familiar with and it would devastate them the way I'm sure the murders of Abby and Libby have impacted the residents of Delphi. I wouldn't think any member of either Abby or Libby's family would influence the decision to call off the search. The footage I recall from the night the girls were missing showed the family members who were interviewed to be very concerned and worried about the girls being gone. If the families of the girls are like the families I know from my own experience, they wouldn't be critical about LE calling off the search because neither the families nor LE would have thought a double homicide possible.
JMO.
 
  • #150
JMO...
In a typical sleepy small town such as Delphi, and I have spent large quantities of time in a similar sized sleepy small town in another mid-western state, I really don't believe a double homicide would be at the top of anyone's list, or even on their radar, because the mentality (at least among the small town residents I know) is "oh, that kind of stuff never happens here. Maybe in larger cities, but not here!" These communities still have their innocence. My personal experience has been that they don't lock their doors at night, they wave to each other driving down the street, they say hello and ask how you're doing when you pass by on the sidewalk, they let their children ride their bikes across town unsupervised to go to the community pool ('town' is about one square mile), they let the grade school and middle school kids run under the bleachers and around the unlit green space next to the US route that runs through town during the high school Friday night football games. Small town residents just have a completely different experience and outlook than residents of larger areas. I've always been afraid there would be a child abduction/rape/murder in the town I'm familiar with and it would devastate them the way I'm sure the murders of Abby and Libby have impacted the residents of Delphi. I wouldn't think any member of either Abby or Libby's family would influence the decision to call off the search. The footage I recall from the night the girls were missing showed the family members who were interviewed to be very concerned and worried about the girls being gone. If the families of the girls are like the families I know from my own experience, they wouldn't be critical about LE calling off the search because neither the families nor LE would have thought a double homicide possible.
JMO.
Great points! You can tell I've always lived in the city. 🌃

Thanks for a great post. Really gets me to thinking​ outside of my own norm.

The above is just my opinion.
 
  • #151
Organized crime often operate under the veil of secrecy and by a structure somewhat similar to layers of a pyramid scheme. Those af the bottom often have no idea who are the leaders sitting at the top. Part of the reason is because the activities of the enterprise are obviously illegal, therefore the trust level is low. Just an example, somebody selling drugs on the street would likely not know the origin of the drugs that they are selling.

Creating the complexity, the leader/s who issue the orders are generally not be the person/s committing the crime. That person is without motive, other than fear of their own life if they don't follow through.


JMO.
He would still know the name of the person or at least some info on the person who was his supplier/supervisor/contact whatever title you care to use. He had to pick up the drugs somewhere and had to make contact with at least one person to set it up. LE could have started there and worked their way up the chain. It doesn't appear that LE got anywhere. Both cases could have a drug angle. Both cases could be a SK. The same SK or a copycat? I'm not sure yet.
JMO.
 
  • #152
Great points! You can tell I've always lived in the city. 

Thanks for a great post. Really gets me to thinking​ outside of my own norm.

The above is just my opinion.

Thanks! It's interesting how we all live in our own experiences and view the world around us with our personal knowledge. I do it myself, too!
 
  • #153
I've posted this and the link before. For those who missed/forgot, here it is once again and by all means bump if needed. :)


"Based on the information given by family and friends, police do not believe foul play is involved and have been given no information that would lead them to believe the girls are in any immediate danger, other than exposure to outside elements."

http://fox59.com/2017/02/14/carroll-county-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-teenagers/
 
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  • #155
I've posted this and the link before. For those who missed/forgot, here it is once again and by all means bump if needed. :)


"Based on the information given by family and friends, police do not believe foul play is involved and have been given no information that would lead them to believe the girls are in any immediate danger, other than exposure to outside elements."

http://fox59.com/2017/02/14/carroll-county-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-teenagers/
Where the heck did they think the girls were? Had they ever gone off before? I'm afraid I just cannot follow this thinking at all. MOO.
 
  • #156
JMO...
In a typical sleepy small town such as Delphi, and I have spent large quantities of time in a similar sized sleepy small town in another mid-western state, I really don't believe a double homicide would be at the top of anyone's list, or even on their radar, because the mentality (at least among the small town residents I know) is "oh, that kind of stuff never happens here. Maybe in larger cities, but not here!" These communities still have their innocence. My personal experience has been that they don't lock their doors at night, they wave to each other driving down the street, they say hello and ask how you're doing when you pass by on the sidewalk, they let their children ride their bikes across town unsupervised to go to the community pool ('town' is about one square mile), they let the grade school and middle school kids run under the bleachers and around the unlit green space next to the US route that runs through town during the high school Friday night football games. Small town residents just have a completely different experience and outlook than residents of larger areas. I've always been afraid there would be a child abduction/rape/murder in the town I'm familiar with and it would devastate them the way I'm sure the murders of Abby and Libby have impacted the residents of Delphi. I wouldn't think any member of either Abby or Libby's family would influence the decision to call off the search. The footage I recall from the night the girls were missing showed the family members who were interviewed to be very concerned and worried about the girls being gone. If the families of the girls are like the families I know from my own experience, they wouldn't be critical about LE calling off the search because neither the families nor LE would have thought a double homicide possible.
JMO.

Jmo
I don't understand why the search was called off.
No matter it was dark or near water. There were 2 young girls missing. Searches don't just stop for the night.


I also don't understand the silence from this entire area.
 
  • #157
I've posted this and the link before. For those who missed/forgot, here it is once again and by all means bump if needed. :)


"Based on the information given by family and friends, police do not believe foul play is involved and have been given no information that would lead them to believe the girls are in any immediate danger, other than exposure to outside elements."

http://fox59.com/2017/02/14/carroll-county-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-teenagers/


Thank you .
I put it in the Media Thread for future reference.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...melines-NO-DISCUSSION&p=13400059#post13400059
 
  • #158
Where the heck did they think the girls were? Had they ever gone off before? I'm afraid I just cannot follow this thinking at all. MOO.

Exactly!
Where'd they think they went?
I'd be concerned since the last place they were was that BRIDGE.
Can't reach them by phone.
I'd be in panic mode.
Moo
 
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That's a great point. A dominant relative (who may even have seemed like a spokesperson for the family) may have influenced that decision. Meanwhile, other factions of the family may have followed their instincts and continued the search independently. I never thought of that. I've always assumed that when the family search continued, it was all inclusive. A split there never even occurred to me. Thanks Ember123!

And if that's the case, I sure hope LE examines that spokesperson-seeming person with extra care.

The above is just my opinion.

I totally agree with this!
All jmo
 
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