IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #60

[LaneGirl]

Isn't that just the poster? Where is the Indiana Most Wanted List?

Here is the top 10 that we keep mentioning...

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/toptenj

ETA - I feel like we are talking in circle (not you and ST. Anthony) but these last few posts.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

Here is the top 10 that we keep mentioning...

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/toptenj

ETA - I feel like we are talking in circle (not you and ST. Anthony) but these last few posts.

I think we could all use some clarification as to why BG picture was on FBI most Wanted List with "identity unknown at this time" iirc and now it is gone from both Indiana and National FBI list and only poster remains. Sgt. Leazenby can you help clarify this. Thank you! A tweet from Sgt. Riley would be nice!

 

[LaneGirl]

I think we could all use some clarification as to why BG picture was on FBI most Wanted List with "identity unkniwn at this time" iirc and now it is gone from both Indiana and National FBI list and only poster remains. Sgt. Leazenby can you help clarify this. Thank you!

I still haven't seen a cache version to show that he was on the most wanted. I can't see a cached version because I didn't view it when he was on it.

I believe only a person who viewed the old web page can produce a screen shot of it. I could be wrong.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Been following the thread along and amazed by all the incredible insights and posts. We have some sharp sleuthers on this thread.

My current thinking is that LE is toiling away sorting through those thousands of leads, as the lab continues to work on forensics. This doesn't include the work the DA would have to do prior to an arrest that they were confident would be prosecuted. So, I'm not overly concerned at the length of time without an arrest. A horrific crime like this is extremely complicated and the DA doesn't want to risk a slip up. When you combine that with all the agencies that must be working on this....that alone is alot of people to coordinate.

As far as the Perp, I'm still sticking to my original profile of him. Late 38-44 years old. Occupation is ex-military or working as a security guard. He is a hunter. Well prepared military maneuver. But failed at his mission because he didn't "cover his tracks". (Literally). By the boot print they know if it was a military boot or a steel toe boot that guards and certain workers wear. He can throw his boots away, but the print and boot purchase can be tracked (good choice of word) back to him.
I think he will originally be identified because of the boot prints, and then forensics will do the rest.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think we could all use some clarification as to why BG picture was on FBI most Wanted List with "identity unknown at this time" iirc and now it is gone from both Indiana and National FBI list and only poster remains. Sgt. Leazenby can you help clarify this. Thank you! A tweet from Sgt. Riley would be nice!

Wanted by the FBI- Indianapolis
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/indianapolis/wanted

Two of three photos are Abby and Libby. There is NO top 10 in Indiana, only "Wanted by the FBI".

We've given you several links that show the posters are still on both the Federal and State FBI page.

There's still 10 names on the FBI Top 10, not 9 and a seal.

 

[Peace777]

How about Indiana Most Wanted List?TIA

Found this at WISHTV site http://interactives.wishtv.com/phot...50/indianas-most-wanted/indianas-most-wanted/

 

[Peace777]

Yes, poster is there but not the BG picture that was there before.

Interesting. I wonder why it's changed from when you viewed it. (when was it you saw it?)

 

[Nick_1]

1) Don't overthink.
2) Slow down your thoughts. Start over. Redirect your thinking. Start over in a new forum. Compile coverage since day one. Comb over that. Just the facts, each day, chronologically.

The best two thoughts I can provide, at this time.

 

[kat913]

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...s-hope-in-1998-slaying-of-mother-11180447.php

This recent development (link above) makes me think of something brought up here before that DNA (if any) could be matched to another unsolved crime where the POI has not been identified. Clearly, if that was the case here, I think that information would be released.

All that to say, I can't see how these crimes are related to the Delphi murders, but it is interesting to me, since a young girl was targeted in two of the connected cases, and the murders all appear the work of an SK transient, which is one thought many have shared.

Great article Jabarn. Very coincidental that they have put this together today! Yet, still need to match DNA. Wonder if Angie Housman (9 yr old) from MO will have any link as well. Hoping and praying this is coming to an end soon.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_459dc392-dd44-5d43-87aa-d9c71b60d981.html

 

[Jethro4WS]

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My understanding here is that it would only tell what cell towers that phone number would hit when connecting. People using burner phones for nefarious reasons may not keep their phone long. Make a few calls throwaway and then get a new one.

At least thats my understanding.

So long as a burner phone is powered on it sends its information, phone number, IMSI, and other data to the cell tower it is connected to about once a minute. The majority of people that use burner phones have terrible operational security and don't think twice about having the phone on - because they might be expecting a call or text. Consequently, when they do so they are likely in locations where they have also used other phones. By correlating the phones in those same locations over time there is a chance of identifying who might be the user of a particular burner phone.

So long as you only ever use a burner phone (turn it on, use it, turn it off, throw it away) in a single location that otherwise is not connected to you - not a relative's home, your home, your workplace, your favorite pizza place, etc. - it can be "safe". If you turn it on and use it anywhere that you frequent, especially where you regularly use another phone or conduct a transaction with a debit or credit card or if you ever contact a number with the burner phone that you have also contacted with another phone then a determined adversary can find you. Correlation is the key to finding the user of a burner phone.

People are creatures of habit. They have specific patterns in their regular activities. Most importantly they make mistakes.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

1) Don't overthink.
2) Slow down your thoughts. Start over. Redirect your thinking. Start over in a new forum. Compile coverage since day one. Comb over that. Just the facts, each day, chronologically.

The best two thoughts I can provide, at this time.

Pardon me, what was this in response to if anything? This thread has gone wonky tonight. :waitasec:

 

[LaneGirl]

So long as a burner phone is powered on it sends its information, phone number, IMSI, and other data to the cell tower it is connected to about once a minute. The majority of people that use burner phones have terrible operational security and don't think twice about having the phone on - because they might be expecting a call or text. Consequently, when they do so they are likely in locations where they have also used other phones. By correlating the phones in those same locations over time there is a chance of identifying who might be the user of a particular burner phone.

So long as you only ever use a burner phone (turn it on, use it, turn it off, throw it away) in a single location that otherwise is not connected to you - not a relative's home, your home, your workplace, your favorite pizza place, etc. - it can be "safe". If you turn it on and use it anywhere that you frequent, especially where you regularly use another phone or conduct a transaction with a debit or credit card or if you ever contact a number with the burner phone that you have also contacted with another phone then a determined adversary can find you. Correlation is the key to finding the user of a burner phone.

People are creatures of habit. They have specific patterns in their regular activities. Most importantly they make mistakes.

Don't disagree at all. I specifically mentioned people with nefarious intentions, which I think you and I are agreeing on.

 

[Alethea]

I feel like I always chime in to pour cold water on a new discussion but I don't think the FBI webmaster would be updating the FBI website before local news reporters were tipped off to an arrest. Usually the first people to know are a crime beat reporter or LE/FBI calls a press conference.


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[kat913]

I feel like I always chime in to pour cold water on a new discussion but I don't think the FBI webmaster would be updating the FBI website before local news reporters were tipped off to an arrest. Usually the first people to know are a crime beat reporter or LE/FBI calls a press conference.


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You are probably correct Alethea but what if this is truly a much wider net than originally believed? I would think it would be very important to get everything in line before anything was told to anyone. <mod snip> in my heart I believe this is bigger than just Delphi and any leak could jeopardize everything.

My opinion only of course.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Anyone have an update? We've been gone all weekend. From my brief reading sounds like something might be breaking soon or no??

TIA

Happy Memorial Day to all those WS'ers that are celebrating today!!

 

[Spiritecho]

Anyone have an update? We've been gone all weekend. From my brief reading sounds like something might be breaking soon or no??

TIA

Happy Memorial Day to all those WS'ers that are celebrating today!!

No , at least I don't think so, just IMOO some confusion over the wanted poster, which I believe, has been clarified several times.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

No

Awe darn. :tantrum:

Thanks for the update Spiritecho!!

 

[Jennifer17]

I think it is because everyone so wants justice for these innocent girls, that we clutch at straws.a

I really, really wanted to believe that there was an arrest in the works, like everyone did.

 

[Confusion]

I feel like I always chime in to pour cold water on a new discussion but I don't think the FBI webmaster would be updating the FBI website before local news reporters were tipped off to an arrest. Usually the first people to know are a crime beat reporter or LE/FBI calls a press conference.

What I was thinking is that they added someone new to the list and it bumped him off. I know they do add them at times, depending on what crimes were committed. As bad as BG's were, there are a lot of others who are also bad. MOO

 

[Alethea]

You are probably correct Alethea but what if this is truly a much wider net than originally believed? I would think it would be very important to get everything in line before anything was told to anyone. <mod snip> in my heart I believe this is bigger than just Delphi and any leak could jeopardize everything.

My opinion only of course.

<snip> maybe something big will be announced this week. I just think it's unlikely to have slipped out on the website first - there are bigger ends to tie up if they're ready to arrest and charge someone.

I have two theories of the case, I go back and forth between thinking this could be a Joseph Duncan type serial killer where later a bunch of seemingly unrelated murders are attributed to him (a la the billboards), or a local area stalking that turned to murder and LE just doesn't have enough evidence for the DA or the Feds to move forward. Hopefully we find out and get justice soon.