IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #62

[Shiressleuth]

Why all the hat talk when LE said to ignore it?

Exactly. By not focusing on the hat they have managed to heighten its importance. It's like when someone says "don't look now but...." and you just have to .

 

[smileypace4]

Yep. I see the resemblance.

Woah!!!!!!! I looked him up and JDD looks soooooooo much like sketch! His arrest record speaks for itself, too!

 

[Shiressleuth]

There are similarities. I wish we knew if the witness has been shown photos of persons of interest and ruled them out.

I think the sketch guy looks about 15 or 20 yrs older than BW and looks like an outdoors type e.g. farm worker, construction, etc.

 

[her]

The profile for me in a guess from this sketch sounds N European the celts that traveled through France-Ireland. I googled the words below.
high bridged bulbous nose and deep set eyes reddish hair
an almost Roman nose
Tom Cruise

 

[MidnightSun]

As JDD is a convicted child sex offender/predator, would his DNA not already be in CODIS?

 

[TeaTime]

Again, going over the presser. They had print media (who was there for info for print) and television folks (who were there to get video on the news).

IMHO... they asked questions that a Public Information Officer would have answered so differently. Makes me

Again, they NEVER mention the award monies of over $230,000.00... and when asked where to call for tips.. They didn't even state a phone number for print of for television media.

as to why they would not do such? That to me is so basic for a presser to give phone/contact information for press, reiterate an award above $230,000.00...both tv and paper... why did they not do?

I am NOT criticizing... I just think there may be a reason that I'm not understanding what is normal and expected in a presser that is wanting more information.

:thinking:

Thoughts anyone?

Bently, I just got a chill. Maybe the reward is being claimed now and LE wants corroborating witnesses about this man's whereabouts that day. :thinking:

 

[Bently]

Agree, if the witness knows the eyes aren't blue but the hats not specific, is a minor odd thing too me.



My first thought is what's the profile with a nose like that.


I'm so grateful for more information. The hat I am leaning towards that style, the nose not at all. How funny what you think the person would look like and it's a bit different.
The goatee, hat and face shape yes. Eyes not at all that I can recall or the nose. Yes it seems bulbous but I thought maybe wider.

Also, comparing it to flasher my only hesitation is the facial hair on that guy seems more grown in for just a few days later and a wider face?

Personal observation/input on identifying someone in a sex crime/flashing situation.

When I was about 20 years old, I had someone cut me off at a driveway in a car. He stopped right at the point so that I could see into the vehicle, and that he was mastur**ting and his pants were off. I ran like heck! But... not before I turned around and wrote down his vehicle number and his license. This was in the early 80's. Anyhoooooo, the point to it is that I did indeed see his face, but was iffy on ID'ing him with a mugshot. My brain went to the visual of him and his junk... then shut down I think.. so I didn't have a good recollection and could have NEVER done an artist rendition.

Thankfully, he had to back outta the drive way after he showed me his stuff, and when he pulled away I got the license.

Again, I could have never ID'd him/given a good description as the flasher without the license plate.

 

[Pseudonymph]

The hat is odd because they could just as easily have either shown the hat he was wearing or different renditions with different types of hair since they don't know what the top of his head looks like.

 

[Deleted member 278]

We need to remember that sketches do not match up perfectly with what a person actually looks like.

 

[dotr]

Why can it not be discussed where the witness saw the man?

If ( hopefully ) the case goes to trial, it will make it more difficult for the perp. to "adjust" where he was at certain times and perhaps arrange for an alibi to back it up.
imo, speculation.

 

[Brighty]

Just re-reading as someone asked upthread...

Q. Those witness, did they see him in the area, or did they call the tip line with that information?

A. I really can't go into that 'cause we don't want to compromise the case itself.

Later in presser......

Q. So there are people out there who are sure that are sure they saw this guy walking around this day and they helped you out, it that?

A. Pretty much that's what it is, yes.

:thinking:

The first question was more detailed is the only thing that jumped out at me...witness/see him in area/tip line. Maybe he didn't want to answer specific questions like that. The second question was far more vague people/saw this guy/helped you out. IDK but that is all I can see that would make a difference in how he answered.

 

[Theforeigner]

Personally I believe LE has the Delphi killers DNA.

If they do, the man in the sketch is NOT any known sex offender bc all sex offenders has their DNA taken and LE would have had a hit by now.

The same goes for all other known violent crime offenders.

Only possibilty for that the man in the sketch is a person with previous known violent crime, IMHO,
is that that LE got a DNA hit from another crime were the offender is still unknown.

So one of the witnesses that contributet to the sketch might then have bin the victim of such an offender and therefore could give a description of the him.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Here's a quirky thought on my part. What jumped out at me is that today's date is 7-17-17, and it reads exactly the same backwards and forwards. LE chose THIS date to release the sketch. Made me wonder if LE is trying to send a 'coded' message to the perp.

During the discussion here in earlier months it was pointed out repeatedly that the Iowa cousins, Lizzie and Lyric were abducted on 7-13-12. Reading those same numbers backwards exactly is 2-13-17, the same date that Abby and Libby were abducted. Many people questioned whether that could be more than just a very eerie coincidence. They wondered if it was 'proof' that the killer was the same for both sets of girls.

Seeing this date today with the same backward and forward sequence of numbers has made me wonder if LE believes there IS a connection too.

Then again, I may be completely wrong about this. Really could mean nothing at all. Thought it was worth a mention anyway...

That is almost too weird to be coincidence isn't it?

 

[LaneGirl]

Does this help?

Different shape face, eyebrows, nose and eyes to me. Between these two.

One of the things that does make me pause...

In one of the original pics of BG released I don't see a hat, I see a hair hump in the back/crown of the head (some think its a button etc). This guy has a hair hump. But to me the facial features are not the same.

ETA - If I saw this guy I wouldn't call him in, I shape of face is way off to me.

 

[Bently]

By knowing, I meant more of the "Six degrees of seperation" theory. Though I've thought it was a certain person from the start, when I first threw out the person to a local public outlet in February, people said "No way. He's a great guy." So, I thought, "yeah. I'm probably wrong. Not him." I couldn't get the feeling away and asked my mom the next day what she thought. She said "no, that person doesn't seem to look like the picture." I blew it off for a few days, but decided to call the name in just in case. When I saw the sketch today, it made my skin crawl. The sketch looks just like this guy. I'm very hopeful that this sketch will bring the suspect's identity to light. More than one person clearly knows who this person is!

From what you are saying, I can count on you, that you have called this in?

 

[dotr]

Here's a quirky thought on my part. What jumped out at me is that today's date is 7-17-17, and it reads exactly the same backwards and forwards. LE chose THIS date to release the sketch. Made me wonder if LE is trying to send a 'coded' message to the perp.

During the discussion here in earlier months it was pointed out repeatedly that the Iowa cousins, Lizzie and Lyric were abducted on 7-13-12. Reading those same numbers backwards exactly is 2-13-17, the same date that Abby and Libby were abducted. Many people questioned whether that could be more than just a very eerie coincidence. They wondered if it was 'proof' that the killer was the same for both sets of girls.

Seeing this date today with the same backward and forward sequence of numbers has made me wonder if LE believes there IS a connection too.

Then again, I may be completely wrong about this. Really could mean nothing at all. Thought it was worth a mention anyway...

Just to tiptoe a bit on that one.
Maybe he was seen/ had some kind of memorable encounter at a 7- 11 convenience store?
speculation.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Just re-reading as someone asked upthread...

Q. Those witness, did they see him in the area, or did they call the tip line with that information?

A. I really can't go into that 'cause we don't want to compromise the case itself.

Later in presser......

Q. So there are people out there who are sure that are sure they saw this guy walking around this day and they helped you out, it that?

A. Pretty much that's what it is, yes.

:thinking:

Pretty much ? So yeah and no?. So some on this day some on other day? ??

 

[Bently]

Does this help?

I think you are understand what I mean about lining up exactly the eyes and the bottom of the mouth for comparison overall! Thanks!

Getting closer!

 

[Ghosthunter]

As JDD is a convicted child sex offender/predator, would his DNA not already be in CODIS?

I wpuld assume it would be. Is there a definitive answer to the question if DNA and what type of DNA was recovered at the crime scene? Some people are non secretors as well and a barrier may have been used as well. If someone is an experienced predator they may be savvy enough to ensure no DNA was left. Just my opinion

 

[Bently]

Bently, I just got a chill. Maybe the reward is being claimed now and LE wants corroborating witnesses about this man's whereabouts that day. :thinking:

:dunno:

Usually rewards are stated specifically for "information leading to the arrest AND conviction" (read perhaps the person must testify, or at the least have a conviction on the charge.). I think there were multiple rewards with different conditions in this case... but most all in past cases said "and conviction".

:dunno: