IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #62

[margarita25]

How long does Parabon processing/analysis take? So if they have DNA, sounds like they do, then if they're using the latest technology such as parabon then surely they're implementing/ have implemented familial DNA analysis.

So if they have DNA, means he is NOT in the system.

Hearing Foxfire's voice "
there's a reason why he's gotten away with this for so long"...

"There's a reason for the seasons"...

"They start as young as 14..."

I am terrified as I was when this all started. And I can't get his image out of my head.

The future of forensics is here. Moo. New Detectives and Forensic Files ain't seen nothing like this. Wow, can you imagine the future episode of Forensic Files? This case is so intense I can barely hang.

Will there ever be an arrest? I'll tell you it will be one of the biggest moments of my (WS) life.

 

[margarita25]

(Random thought in the dark complete speculation....February child homicide 5 years ago? Brain is going crazy, cutting myself off, goodnight! I still have my orange lamp lit for these girls every night!! )

 

[Falling Down]

Not what I expected. Feels generic to me. Maybe they did this simply to fend off public scrutiny. That they can't identify headwear but can produce a sketch this detailed feels worrisome. Then again maybe they really are headed in the right path and boy do I sure hope so


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Same here.

One article stated one of the eyewitnesses there that day saw Bridge Guy (BG). I'm hoping she was integral in the creation of this sketch.

 

[margarita25]

Considering paragon and the possibility they have DNA, so if he's a brazen seasoned hunter predator, and his DNA is not in the system, and he is not young so to speak, this leads me to suspect his DNA might be sitting in some cold case file somewhere and that a testers o w day of an old case might produce a match.

 

[margarita25]

Woah just noticed the defined cheek lines/ dimples/ whatever you want to call them. How'd they know that?

 

[Falling Down]

Facial hair is reddish-brown

...and consider this was an unusually mild and sunny February day in Indiana, so note the eyes...

 

[2Hope4]

Someone earlier mentioned the hair color may help with the eye color....it may, but, my son has very light brown hair, reddish beard, and brown eyes! I don't know if we'll be able to determine eye color by hair color.

Someone knows who this man is though! He has family, coworkers, prior coworkers, friends, workers in his area, etc. Someone has rang up his groceries, collect his rent money, dealt with him in a bank, a diner, etc. Come forth please!!!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 172065]

PROTECTING WITNESS: I wonder if the police had this info about the perp for a while, but didn't release it to protect the witness. Maybe the witness and perp's eyes even met on the trail. Merely guessing here. And maybe the witness gave permission because the 'trail' for this guy was somewhat going cold.


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[Cryptic]

A couple things I gather from the pic. The hat might be a subtle hint at ethnic background

Or... as distinct ethnic identities / physical apperances of the various white subgroups (Irish, Polish, Greek, Italian- American etc) have faded, maybe "place of origin" might be better?

That style of cap has been out of fashion for decades. I can't remember ever seeing a southerner or Texan wear that style of cap. In contrast, I have seen that style of cap far more often being worn by men from the north (both urban and rural). Even then, it was usually worn by older men.

maybe some Italian

Now that you mention an ethnic possibility, the men I know who routinely wear that style of cap are older and live in areas that do have a stronger eastern European / slavic background.

I wonder if there are any Polish, Czech or Slovak descent majority farming communities in the area where the perpetrator might of inherited that out of style cap, or bought it from a local thrift store or garage sale?

 

[Bird of Paradise]

First, I don't put much importance on the hat. However, since you mentioned it's out of fashion, someone posted on here yesterday they know at least 3 people who still wear it (person was from or near IN). In the beginning the jeans were called out of fashion by people posting here. My point is fashion IMO has nothing to do with what a killer would be wearing. Clothes can be found anywhere.

Or... as distinct ethnic identities / physical apperances of the various white subgroups have (Irish, Polish, Greek, Italian- American etc) have faded, place of origin.

That style of cap has been out of fashion for decades. With the possible exception of a one rot wo elderly men, I have never seen a southerner wear that style of hat. In contrast, I have seen that style of cap far more often being worn by men from the north (both urban and rural). Even then, it was worn by older men.

 

[ts51]

I wonder, if the witness did see the perp on or near the trail, if "she" also noted the items we see in BG jacket. If she saw these items, and reported them to LE, and LE could verify them because they had the video, then they would be confident this sketch is is accurate. Hope this makes sense. moo

PROTECTING WITNESS: I wonder if the police had this info about the perp for a while, but didn't release it to protect the witness. Maybe the witness and perp's eyes even met on the trail. Merely guessing here. And maybe the witness gave permission because the 'trail' for this guy was somewhat going cold.


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[Bird of Paradise]

I'm not feeling so positive there was a witness on that trail.

I'm sensing the picture, timing and accompanying very carefully chosen words mean LE has a lot more info then they've let on.

I wonder, if the witness did see the perp on or near the trail, if "she" also noted the items we see in BG jacket. If she saw these items, and reported them to LE, and LE could verify them because they had the video, then they would be confident this sketch is is accurate. Hope this makes sense. moo

 

[Xina_Marie]

Regarding the dimples, my mother had one of those Ancestry DNA tests done and they had a list of weird things and the likelihood of her having them and one of them was dimples (restless or still sleeper was another -- but not useful in this instance). So apparently this is something that can be extrapolated from DNA.

I really feel like if states would devote resources to testing all the back log of rape test kits they would have a lot more murders involving sexual assaults solved right away. By spending money up front, they could save money on the back end by not having a prolonged investigation. These killers all start somewhere and murder is usually not the first step.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Let today be the Jackpot day!!

 

[Cryptic]

First, I don't put much importance on the hat. However, since you mentioned it's out of fashion, someone posted on here yesterday they know at least 3 people who still wear it (person was from or near IN). In the beginning the jeans were called out of fashion by people posting here. My point is fashion IMO has nothing to do with a killer would be wearing. Clothes can be found anywhere.

Overall, I don't place much emphasis on the clothing either. I would not rule out a link either.

Sure, clothes can be purchased anywhere and worn by anybody. At the same time, cowboy boots and western belt buckles are relatively common in rural Texas and the West. They might be rare in rural Vermont. Thus, there might be a link between a style of clothing and a general geographic area.

In this case, the possible link might be even more fuzzy as the hat is not that culturally distinct. Then again, there might not be any link. As you implied, nobody has a copyright on clothing. Even still, I just help but think of the areas where I have sen men with that style of cap and areas where I have not.

 

[Area52]

First, I don't put much importance on the hat. However, since you mentioned it's out of fashion, someone posted on here yesterday they know at least 3 people who still wear it (person was from or near IN). In the beginning the jeans were called out of fashion by people posting here. My point is fashion IMO has nothing to do with a killer would be wearing. Clothes can be found anywhere.

I agree, Bird. The hat style is popular in different parts of the country. My son owns about 5 of them, different fabrics for different seasons, as do many young men in my area of N.J. I've also seen them worn in New York and Pennsylvania, also on the 20 to 40 age group.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

Overall, I don't place much emphasis on the clothing either. But, I would not rule out a link. Sure, clothes can be purchased anywhere and worn by anybody. At the same time, cowboy boots and western belt buckles are relatively common in rural Texas and the West. They might not be common in rural Ohio.

Thus, there might be a link between a style of clothing and a general geographic area. Then again, as you mentioned, nobody has a copyright on clothing.

Agree Cryptic.

The question is, did LE mention the cap because they really didn't want anyone to focus on it or to cause people to focus on it. Because LE said don't make much of the cap (paraphrasing) yet many are doing just that. I'm going with they were attempting to deflect questions about the cap further down the road by saying this may not be the exact cap.

I really need a hat emoji here!

 

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[Cryptic]

I agree, Bird. The hat style is popular in different parts of the country. My son owns about 5 of them, different fabrics for different seasons, as do many young men in my area of N.J. I've also seen them worn in New York and Pennsylvania, also on the 20 to 40 age group.

I have never seen that cap on a southerner. Given your observations, perhaps age is not a good indicator of the cap. At the same time, they do seem to be more popular in some areas than others.

Agree Cryptic.

The question is, did LE mention the cap because they really didn't want anyone to focus on it or to cause people to focus on it. Because LE said don't make much of the cap (paraphrasing) yet many are doing just that. I'm going with they were attempting to deflect questions about the cap further down the road by saying this may not be the exact cap.
I really need a hat emoji here!

Good point. I do wish they would have released sketches showing a "pile cap" (cap with ear muffs) and a baseball style cap. Both of these are probably common in Indiana.

 

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