IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #66

[Puggle]

:floorlaugh:

^^^

 

[Shiressleuth]

The following interview would indicate that Ron, by his own words, did not have contact with BG

While mentioning that the BG picture isn't clear he adds at the 1:32 mark :

[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]"It doesn't look like anyone I've ever seen..."

https://youtu.be/TT7NoIJr5zE[/FONT][/FONT]

Maybe he has had time to rethink. Holeman, in his recent interview, says there were several witnesses. Earlier, at the presser releasing the sketch, (17 July) it was mentioned one witness was a she but that is all we know.

 

[Sleuthin' n TX]

A little earlier in the thread, when discussing the 'Holeman' interview... someone mentioned his slip of the word 'her', or 'she', I forget.. can someone lmk what that was about? Where abouts in the interview might I find that... what was it in regard to? TY!!

Although I haven't searched the thread, I believe it was in regard to a witness that came forward...

 

[Puggle]

I posted a ways back about the towers according to the map in the media thread, but at this point I am unsure exactly how many of those are cell towers and how many are simply radio towers.
IMO it would not really make a difference in a town of 3000 people how many towers there are. The traffic on a tower would likely surprise you, LOL. I feel certain that is one of the first things LE gets done.

JMO

Yes I was hoping they would .... the numbers wouldn't suprise me.......if anything I was concerned with the feasibility..... due to the hwy traffic.....

I know these things would take many many months to investigate.... all that data... people hitting any tower within range at that exact ....well....within a time frame....

Hopefully something will come of it ....expect most of us a just a little impatient for resolution..... as long as they get whoever is responsible....

 

[Puggle]

You may be right but that goes by large businesses that would surely have cctv. If there is a way out without triggering a camera LE would know presumably (and so would RL one would think yet he was caught at the transfer station).

You would have to refresh me....did LE catch RL out or did he admit he went to the transfer station..... meaning...they called him out on a lie because they had cctv.

I'll have to go back and look at that road and the exits out of Delphi to see if there were cctv spots before exits..

 

[ezrah]

Fox59
Delphi Man Talks about Discovery
<Snip>
The gruesome discovery was made on Ron Logan’s 40-acre lot by a neighbor who volunteered to help with the search.
http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/delphi-man-talks-about-discovery-of-missing-teens-bodies-on-his-property/



I thought he was but do not trust my memory. Does anyone else remember if RLs friend( from the following link) the same neighbor (searcher) who found the CS on RLs property.



Thanks to Hatfield for the link:tyou:

:cow:

Were you able to get the link to work? I couldn't and when I searched the title the video was just of RL. tia

 

[Shiressleuth]

You would have to refresh me....did LE catch RL out or did he admit he went to the transfer station..... meaning...they called him out on a lie because they had cctv.

I'll have to go back and look at that road and the exits out of Delphi to see if there were cctv spots before exits..

Although I haven't searched the thread, I believe it was in regard to a witness that came forward...

The mention of "she" is in the transcript of the 17/7 presser releasing the sketch. (See in the media thread.)
RL was caught on a camera at the transfer station at 11.58 a.m. IIRC but I don't know the location of that cam and whether it is on the road or not.
I recommend a video of Randy Gravitts which is on you tube and shows him on that road going past the hog place and the transfer station. Helps get the lay of the land back there.

 

[Shiressleuth]

The only Sting Rays I know of are the bicycles back in the 60s....

So nothing new....

TIA!

(OT but to me Stingray is synonymous with Thunderbirds are Go, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons et al. RIP Gerry Anderson MBE)

 

[htiff]

I'm not sure the bridge for "North St." is the same kind of bridge that is in the background of the pic with Abigail. It's so hard with google maps because areas look different at different times if year. And Abigail is fishing in winter, and the Google shots are during a much more foliage-lush time of the year. The bridge behind Abigail can't be a cement bridge, it has to be one that has more slender support. Not sure I agree with the determination found here. There are a lot of bridges in Delphi and the surrounding area.

I was wondering if the bridge Abigail is fishing in front of is the Bicycle Bridge over the Wabash. It looks similar in pictures at any rate.

Hard to tell. The water isn't all that wide at that spot. If Abigail is fishing near the Monon Bridge it might show a familiarity with the private property nearby. But I think you are correct that she is fishing somewhere else. That water looks a little too deep and wide to be the creek.

 

[Puggle]

The mention of "she" is in the transcript of the 17/7 presser releasing the sketch. (See in the media thread.)
RL was caught on a camera at the transfer station at 11.58 a.m. IIRC but I don't know the location of that cam and whether it is on the road or not.

Yeah have checked .... the transfer station is a way off from the crime scene...

From the road under the bridge which is an extention of N625W .... one of the first roads out of Delphi....would be the second on the left being W200N ..

Along that route all I could see on maps were isolated farm houses set well back from the roads..... and alot of other roads leading off it that again had only farms set well back off the road...... alot of distance could be made without any cctv..

Ill follow the maps 2morrow and see where I think any business or close enough ?? Might have cctv...

At this point ..... it would seem a very good escape route to head to if you knew the area. ...

 

[htiff]

I wish i could answer that shire .. and no hitchers reported, no walkers sighted... but surely he wouldnt hang around Delphi??? I honestly dont know but i do think he got out of there asap

The killer had a lot of time to get out of town. If he abducts the girls around 2:30, they aren't even reported missing until 5. (The sun set at 6:20 that night.) And we know he doesn't take them very far from where he happens on them. He could have gotten those girls to the spot they are found at, by 3. Does what he does. He may have been in his car and on the road before the girls were even reported missing. It was cold out. He was wet. He's probably not going to lolligag around and wait for someone to find him with his victims.

You add to this that the girls weren't thought to be in danger on Monday night, so the usual canvassing that could have been done Monday night, was probably not done until after the bodies were found Tuesday at around noon. The killer could have walked to Lafayette by then.

 

[Falling Down]

Could you explain more what a Sting Ray is ? I've never heard of them. Tower dumps for LE would be standard practice in a homicide investigation IMO but that's without me knowing about these Sting Ray things.
Ok I've educated myself with a quick google so no worries. Would there be a Sting Ray system in operation in Deer Creek area on the 13th Feb? I doubt that. Indianapolis or Lafayette or anywhere with high crime maybe. AJMO.

Stingray can be put in an unmarked van and placed, say, in a neighborhood where LE wants to monitor cell phone signal traffic, usually to find a suspect or group of suspects. I've read up on it quite a bit in recent years, the one thing people have to keep in mind is if they're looking for a specific person, they still have to get a warrant for the suspect at the location Stingray picks up.

Stingray is not a "cell tower", per se, it mimics cell towers. It can be placed on a tower or a pole, or put inside of a vehicle. It's an information gathering device.

Whereas a group of cell towers can be used to triangulate where a cell phone is located, say within one or two hundred feet or so, Stingray is used to find a phone within 6 feet, give or take. So LE can figure out where a drug house is located, where a suspect is hiding, etc. Unless the person or persons is/are wanted for a capital crime, LE definitely have to get a warrant to actually go to a place for an arrest. This has come up in court cases in recent years, prosecutors tried to dance around how information on a suspect's location was gathered, and until a LE detective or whatever was questioned about it, Stingray wasn't mentioned, because LE still have to get a warrant. In those cases, LE did not get a warrant, and thus cases were thrown out or almost thrown out of court.

The technology was developed during the Iraq War, in order to figure out where roadside bombs were placed, ones triggered by cell phones. I happen to know an engineer who helped to develop the tech for Harris. It's very expensive tech, and much of the time is used in a mobile manner, that is in a van or temporarily placed on a pole or tower or what have you. ISP would be the folks who are using it in this case, most likely. Most local LE agencies in the U.S. do not have the funding to be able to afford it.

 

[Ember123]

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[Shiressleuth]

Stingray can be put in an unmarked van and placed, say, in a neighborhood where LE wants to monitor cell phone signal traffic, usually to find a suspect or group of suspects. I've read up on it quite a bit in recent years, the one thing people have to keep in mind is if they're looking for a specific person, they still have to get a warrant for the suspect at the location Stingray picks up.

Stingray is not a "cell tower", per se, it mimics cell towers. It can be placed on a tower or a pole, or put inside of a vehicle. It's an information gathering device.

RSBM for space.

TYVM for the info. Very informative and mind blowing.

 

[Ember123]

So are we missing the obvious? Is it really possible RL unwittingly gave BG a lift when he went to Lafayette to buy fish? That would mean his "alibi" is actually BG perhaps?
But wait! Wasn't the witness a she? That slipped out in the interview. So not RL after all?

I have wondered if the "she" was an intentional slip to mislead. I DO think RL saw BG, IS a scared witness, MAY have provided info for sketch and they released it months later because the pic is more precise (so they had preferred to only post that), & maybe RL will get early release AND reward money! (Why no bail, why stiff sentence? Protection, perhaps?) Just my surmising .. Hmmmmm.

 

[Falling Down]

I have wondered if the "she" was an intentional slip to mislead. I DO think RL saw BG, IS a scared witness, MAY have provided info for sketch and they released it months later because the pic is more precise (so they had preferred to only post that), & maybe RL will get early release AND reward money! (Why no bail, why stiff sentence? Protection, perhaps?) Just my surmising .. Hmmmmm.

RL might be at a location other than what is posted on the internet.

JMO

 

[Arubagirl7]

I agree with this. I think RL is in jail for his safety and to help LE keep a potential witness safe.

 

[No it's not]

I'm not sure the bridge for "North St." is the same kind of bridge that is in the background of the pic with Abigail. It's so hard with google maps because areas look different at different times if year. And Abigail is fishing in winter, and the Google shots are during a much more foliage-lush time of the year. The bridge behind Abigail can't be a cement bridge, it has to be one that has more slender support. Not sure I agree with the determination found here. There are a lot of bridges in Delphi and the surrounding area.

I was wondering if the bridge Abigail is fishing in front of is the Bicycle Bridge over the Wabash. It looks similar in pictures at any rate.

Hard to tell. The water isn't all that wide at that spot. If Abigail is fishing near the Monon Bridge it might show a familiarity with the private property nearby. But I think you are correct that she is fishing somewhere else. That water looks a little too deep and wide to be the creek.

This is the bridge seen from the Bluewater Park, the location Abby is seen fishing in the picture. Notice the power lines, trees and distances between pilars. It is not just the view but all of the reference points. Some of the members went through all bridges up and down in the area including the Wabash river.

Here is a good picture of the bridge found on google under "Blue Beach Park Monticello":

 

[htiff]

RL might be at a location other than what is posted on the internet.

JMO

If RL is being jailed for his protection, why did LE wait so long to do this? Why the ruse? Why not just place a squad car out in front of RL's home to keep him safe? RL's home wasn't even the first searched. The first home searched was an hour away on Bicycle Bridge Road.

Really stop and think if this makes sense.

 

[htiff]

This is the bridge seen from the Bluewater Park, the location Abby is seen fishing in the picture. Notice the power lines, trees and distances between pilars. It is not just the view but all of the reference points. Some of the members went through all bridges up and down in the area including the Wabash river.

Here is a good picture of the bridge found on google under "Blue Beach Park Monticello":

You are probably right about the bridge--except I don't see any power lines above Abigail in the fishing pic. And the bridge she is in front of looks like a smaller bridge than the 421 crossing. There are a lot of bridges like the one she is in front of in Delphi.

It's interesting to try and figure out, only what I was looking for is moot if the bridge isn't Monon. I wondered how well the girls knew the land that is private property near to the bridge. And if Abigail was fishing there at some point, then I would have assumed they knew it well.

They could still have explored this area. They seemed like adventurous girls. But there is no proof either way---so my thought isn't really relevant anyway. But interesting to know more about the area, even so.