IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #68

[Leomoon80]

I saw South Carolina, I saw Florida. How many states do these predators travel in anyway? OMG,

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personNbr=90818

 

[ezrah]

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=80306 Hope this is ok to post.


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[tokyorose]

This guy we really don't know the whole story. That last story said the weapons were in the car and they pulled a family over where they voluntarily gave up that information. Who knows if it was him doing what he's accused of. His history is disgusting that's for sure.

Do you have a link for this information whee the pulled over a family? TIA

 

[Yemelyan]

Do you have a link for this information whee the pulled over a family? TIA

Here you go...

http://www.krdo.com/news/crime/el-p...cused-mount-herman-menacing-suspect/627138536

 

[Jo in Calif]

Do you have a link for this information whee the pulled over a family? TIA

http://www.krdo.com/news/crime/el-p...cused-mount-herman-menacing-suspect/627138536

 

[Yemelyan]

This perp apparently has ties to or possibly was raised from the age of 6 in Chesnee, SC, going by information from his grandmother in one of the Gazette articles. That's in the far northwestern part of the state, bordering NC and TN. Going back to the "down the hill" for a minute...I always thought I heard a southern accent in those three words (as much as anyone could say it sounds like anything). It reminded me specifically of a person I know who grew up in southeastern TN. It is a southern accent but there is a particular quirk about it, it's hard to describe. That's why I asked so many questions in this forum for locals to answer about the southern Indiana accent and what it sounds like/how it differs from a general mid-western rural accent. So maybe I'm reaching but to me, this is another piece that might fit. I so badly want this to be solved for Abby, Libby and their families.

 

[tokyorose]

Here you go...

http://www.krdo.com/news/crime/el-p...cused-mount-herman-menacing-suspect/627138536

How strange this whole thing is. Thanks for the link, article seems new. Regardless of this man's ties to Abbey or Libby, I don't believe the story these two gave police, regarding the broken tail light or "being run off the road" It's just hard for me to imagine a woman with 2 small kids covering for a guy who killed someone on a mountain bike ( probably) a robbery?

 

[her]

Do you have a link for this information whee the pulled over a family? TIA

Yep posted it earlier.

Here is one .
http://www.krdo.com/news/crime/el-p...cused-mount-herman-menacing-suspect/627138536

 

[finine]

http://www.krdo.com/news/crime/el-p...cused-mount-herman-menacing-suspect/627138536

Holy cow this names his wife as the "woman" he was with. I assumed based on the prior criminal cases that they were separated/en route to divorce. I thought I even saw a restraining order in there somewhere. ... off to check IN case history again...

ETA: I did see that ... https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...tTXlNekV3TnpFNE1qa3dPamd5T1Rjek16SXlZbVE9In19

These two are a train wreck. 2016 case requesting establishment of child custody was never heard because neither of them showed up.

New case opened in 2017 and they are both MIA again .... https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...6UXlNekV3TnpFNE1qa3dPak0xTWpRd016Y3lOelk9In19

 

[her]

How strange this whole thing is. Thanks for the link, article seems new. Regardless of this man's ties to Abbey or Libby, I don't believe the story these two gave police, regarding the broken tail light or "being run off the road" It's just hard for me to imagine a woman with 2 small kids covering for a guy who killed someone on a mountain bike ( probably) a robbery?

I see someone shared it.
That threw me off but people are weirdos. She must know his past crimes so you never know.

 

[tokyorose]

I see someone shared it.
That threw me off but people are weirdos. She must know his past crimes so you never know.

I suppose women will put up with a lot to keep a family together. I might imagine that FBI and LE in Delphi might want to see that hatchet, but my confidence in a connection to Abbey and Libby is sadly less now that he's brought his wife and kids with him to scare and murder ( potentially) people on bike trails in Colorado, still the resemblance is striking. How many people from Indiana who look like BG are out in public places killing people and/ or threatening them with hatchets. Just crazy.

 

[Sillybilly]

DJN was convicted of indecent exposure in South Carolina in 2007:

https://www.rapsheets.org/sexaul-offender/NATIONS_DANIEL/1621839

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the charge of indecent exposure is a misdemeanor rather than a felony:

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c015.php

SECTION 16-15-130. Indecent exposure; breastfeeding.

(A)(1) It is unlawful for a person to wilfully, maliciously, and indecently expose his person in a public place, on property of others, or to the view of any person on a street or highway.

(2) This subsection does not apply to a woman who breastfeeds her own child in a public place, on property of others, to the view of any person on a street or highway, or any other place where a woman and her child are authorized to be.

(B) A person who violates the provisions of subsection (A)(1) is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined in the discretion of the court or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

<bbm>

South Carolina statues make reference to DNA being required for a felony:

from:
http://www.state.sc.us/djj/sc-statutes.php#STATE_DNA_DATABASE

SECTION 23-3-620. When DNA samples required.

(A) Following a lawful custodial arrest, the service of a courtesy summons, or a direct indictment for:

(1) a felony offense or an offense that is punishable by a sentence of five years or more; or

(2) eavesdropping, peeping, or stalking, any of which are committed in this State, a person, except for any juvenile, arrested or ordered by a court must provide a saliva or tissue sample from which DNA may be obtained for inclusion in the State DNA Database. Additionally, any person, including any juvenile, ordered to do so by a court, and any juvenile convicted or adjudicated delinquent for an offense contained in items (1) or (2), must provide a saliva or tissue sample from which DNA may be obtained for inclusion in the State DNA Database.

This sample must be taken at a jail, sheriff's office that serves a courtesy summons, courthouse where a direct presentment indictment is served, or detention facility at the time the person is booked and processed into the jail or detention facility following the custodial arrest, or other location when the taking of fingerprints is required prior to a conviction. The sample must be submitted to SLED as directed by SLED. If appropriately trained personnel are not available to take a sample from which DNA may be obtained, the failure of the arrested person to provide a DNA sample shall not be the sole basis for refusal to release the person from custody. An arrested person who is released from custody before providing a DNA sample must provide a DNA sample at a location specified by the law enforcement agency with jurisdiction over the offense on or before the first court appearance.

(B) Unless a sample has already been provided pursuant to the provisions of subsection (A), before a person may be paroled or released from confinement, the person must provide a suitable sample from which DNA may be obtained for inclusion in the State DNA Database.

(C) An agency having custody of an offender who is required to provide a DNA sample pursuant to subsection (B) must notify SLED at least three days, excluding weekends and holidays, before the person is paroled or released from confinement.

(D) Unless a sample has already been provided pursuant to the provisions of subsection (A), before a person is released from confinement or released from the agency's jurisdiction, a suitable sample from which DNA may be obtained for inclusion in the State DNA Database must be provided as a condition of probation or parole.

(E) A person required to provide a sample pursuant to this section may be required to provide another sample if the original sample is lost, damaged, contaminated, or unusable for examination prior to the creation of a DNA record or DNA profile suitable for inclusion in the State DNA Database.

<bbm>

Is it possible that his conviction on a misdemeanor in 2007 required him to be registered as a RSO but did not require him to submit to DNA?

 

[tokyorose]

DJN was convicted of indecent exposure in South Carolina in 2007:

https://www.rapsheets.org/sexaul-offender/NATIONS_DANIEL/1621839

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the charge of indecent exposure is a misdemeanor rather than a felony.

South Carolina statues make reference to DNA being required for a felony:

from:
http://www.state.sc.us/djj/sc-statutes.php#STATE_DNA_DATABASE

<bbm>

Is it possible that his conviction on a misdemeanor in 2007 required him to be registered as a RO but did not require him to submit to DNA?

My understanding is that he also has a domestic violence conviction in Indiana which I believe is a felony for which the state would have collected DNA. IMO the only way he killed Abbey or Libby is if he didn't leave any DNA at their murder scene.

 

[Yemelyan]

DJN was convicted of indecent exposure in South Carolina in 2007:

https://www.rapsheets.org/sexaul-offender/NATIONS_DANIEL/1621839

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the charge of indecent exposure is a misdemeanor rather than a felony:

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c015.php

<bbm>

South Carolina statues make reference to DNA being required for a felony:

from:
http://www.state.sc.us/djj/sc-statutes.php#STATE_DNA_DATABASE

<bbm>

Is it possible that his conviction on a misdemeanor in 2007 required him to be registered as a RO but did not require him to submit to DNA?

I *think* that in SC indecent exposure is a misdemeanor UNLESS it was performed in front of a child, in which case it is automatically a felony.

 

[finine]

My understanding is that he also has a domestic violence conviction in Indiana which I believe is a felony for which the state would have collected DNA. IMO the only way he killed Abbey or Libby is if he didn't leave any DNA at their murder scene.

You are correct.

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...EUXlOVEV3TnpFNE1qa3dPamd5T1Rjek16SXlPV1E9In19


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[Daey34]

You are correct.

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...EUXlOVEV3TnpFNE1qa3dPamd5T1Rjek16SXlPV1E9In19


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Since July

http://wishtv.com/2017/06/01/new-law-allows-dna-swabs-from-felony-suspects/amp/

 

[Jo in Calif]

His felony.

Nations' criminal history would prevent him from legally owning a firearm. He was convicted of domestic battery in the presence of a child, a felony, in Indiana in 2016. He also has a long history of lesser offenses, including a 2015 public indecency conviction in 2007 and a slew of traffic violations, records show. He is a registered sex offender.
http://coloradosprings.com/wife-gra...rman-hatchet-threats-speak-up/article/1612025

 

[finine]

Since July

http://wishtv.com/2017/06/01/new-law-allows-dna-swabs-from-felony-suspects/amp/

Good find!


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[carbuff]

Even if DNA was collected for an offense or another crime, there's no guarantee that sample was processed and entered. In some places the backlog for rape kits, DNA swabs, and the like is several years.

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[Peppery]

I called Indiana FBI yesterday. And I posted in the Facebook forum. That's how it got out

How what got out? I missed the linked post.