IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #73

[Deleted member 155000]

The admins and especially the owner of Websleuths put in a lot of time and energy to make these forums run smoothly in order to hopefully better the world.

If Tricia wants to admit a source as an exception, then she has earned the right to make that call in my mind. It's not like she's opening the door to copy and paste every rumor that's on the internet here. There are dozens if not hundreds I've seen elsewhere that have been barred from sharing here.

The mainstream media is interviewing KN as well (see links below), which indicates Tricia and Websleuths are not alone in believing DN could be a credible lead.

http://fox59.com/2017/10/11/wife-of...rs-says-daniel-nations-watched-news-coverage/
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...-doubts-he-was-involved-with-delphi-homicides
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/22/wife-of-man-accused-threatening-people-hatchet-speaks-out/
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...-nations-involved-delphi-homicides/788115001/
http://wishtv.com/2017/10/05/facebook-post-raises-new-questions-in-delphi-double-murders/
http://wgntv.com/2017/10/12/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-delphi-murders-speaks-out/
http://abc13.com/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-girls-murders-speaks-out/2526092/
http://fox59.com/2017/10/11/wife-of...rs-says-daniel-nations-watched-news-coverage/
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...-doubts-he-was-involved-with-delphi-homicides
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/22/wife-of-man-accused-threatening-people-hatchet-speaks-out/
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...-nations-involved-delphi-homicides/788115001/
http://wishtv.com/2017/10/05/facebook-post-raises-new-questions-in-delphi-double-murders/
http://wgntv.com/2017/10/12/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-delphi-murders-speaks-out/
http://abc13.com/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-girls-murders-speaks-out/2526092/

 

[Jabarn]

Oh but there are...they are just not named here nor pulled through the mud as well. It is my own "speculation and sleuthing" which I would not be allowed to put up on here for others to see because it cannot be backed up by LE or fact. I feel DN is just another RL at this point,

I hear you, for sure, and there are so many rabbit holes. RL and DN are the only two POIs who have been allowed as discussion here.

RL had some issues with drinking, and driving, and dressed in the standard outfit for the area, and the bodies were found on his property. He also did some interviews with MSM, which, unfortunately didn’t work out for him.

DN is a horse of a different color. He does have priors for sexually acting out behavior. He is a transient, living outdoors when things aren’t going well with his wife. His life story is one of violence. He carries a hatchet around, and has many reports of his quick flare temper in the media.

All that to say, I don’t know if DN did the Delphi murders, but he is a much better contender, IMO, than RL ever was.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

??? we took that a different way...I thought "he has an interview w/DN" meant he has an upcoming interview ??? I don't know what to think now...

Either way you look at it, I'm very surprised DN agreed to an interview.

Another question stemming from this: Does that mean Stroup/Greeno are bonding DN out??? DN stated in his letter to Stroup that he’d answer all questions (if he can) IF Stroup bonds him out?? I do not like the sounds of this... MOO


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[Deleted member 155000]

Another question stemming from this: Does that mean Stroup/Greeno are bonding DN out??? DN stated in his letter to Stroup that he’d answer all questions (if he can) IF Stroup bonds him out?? I do not like the sounds of this... MOO


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He also said to provide a number he could call collect though. So it may just be he intends to try to talk to him by phone.

 

[Jabarn]

Another question stemming from this: Does that mean Stroup/Greeno are bonding DN out??? DN stated in his letter to Stroup that he’d answer all questions (if he can) IF Stroup bonds him out?? I do not like the sounds of this... MOO


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I think DN sees an opportunity and is playing his cards with Greeno. IMO. This is by far the strangest case I can remember since BTK. I truly hope there are legitimate experts watching this all unfold.

 

[kizzykat]

I might've stumbled onto something. Could be big or a big nothing burger. (I hope the source is ok, if not I understand if this gets deleted. An article about DN written by a former LEO from Casper, WY P.D. Written for LET. "Law Enforcement Today is a leading law enforcement community by law enforcement officials, for law enforcement officials." )

This caught my eye:
"What makes offender detection and apprehension difficult sometimes is a transient lifestyle with no settled roots. Family and friends are few and far between, or estranged altogether. In these brutal cases miles apart, Nation’s navigation from Indiana to Colorado and witness accounts of his presence near the wilderness areas where Watkins was found are evidence of opportunity and proximity. His police contacts and local problems show he was near the town of Delphi both before and after the homicides of the two teens."<BBM>

Say what??
This was published 9/29/17, the day IN LE arrived in CO to interview DN. It was also after IN LE asked CO LE not to give details. So I can't figure out if this is a slip that let a cat out of the bag or if it's just a matter of perspective to LE, the author's primary audience. By 'police contact' I thought maybe they could be referring to the weekly RSO check-ins in Morgan County. But 90-100 miles distance isn't generally viewed as "near" a location. Unless LE considers that distance near enough to move back and forth to commit a crime (yes IMHO).

But if that statement can be taken at face value, does that mean LE now has evidence placing DN near Delphi before and after 2/13, but can't yet place him at the actual crime scene? I've run through so many scenarios my head spins. Nothing works. I had a bunch of stuff typed but I'm just going to toss it out there instead, and see what you all think.
Maybe I'm reading too far into it but I'm very puzzled by that bolded comment in the article.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/murder-suspect/

 

[DeDee]

Seems Fitting
https://youtu.be/cTwlRRKNlhg

her, the music was apropos. Thank you for the post as it lifted this sore heart of mine. One can never go wrong listening to Fleetwood Mac.


RE: the blue jacket in the photo of the Nations abode

I appreciate those who replied stating that KN believes that fabric to be denim jeans. In my honest opinion, the blue jacket seen on BG, in the released images, has long been destroyed or burned, possibly since Feb. 14th. My chosen BG did, in fact, have a bon fire soon after the murders. Does that make him a killer? Absolutely not.

It was quite disappointing when we were informed BG did not have blue eyes and the sketch did not match my BG. However, I'm keeping him in my pocket, just in case, BG had an accomplice. All of the data gathered on him was sent to ISP, FBI and DPD before learning BG did not have blue eyes.

I've sleuthed enough to have a line up of potential POIs with brown eyes. That is simply how I approach a case. This one, involving precious children, is much too serious to leave a stone unturned.

Boggled, totally agree with your post on sleuthing. I, too, have spent so much time in deep, dark, frightening rabbit holes that my mind may never be the same. Locals need to help get rid of drugs, gangs and trafficking as it is evil and corrupts an area so quickly once it gains a stronghold in the Heartland of America.

 

[DeDee]

:happydance::loveyou:

Not sure about your apparent jubilation. The post you replied to has been removed. Would you be so kind as to alert your post for the quote needs to be removed, too?

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I might've stumbled onto something. Could be big or a big nothing burger. (I hope the source is ok, if not I understand if this gets deleted. An article about DN written by a former LEO from Casper, WY P.D. Written for LET. "Law Enforcement Today is a leading law enforcement community by law enforcement officials, for law enforcement officials." )

This caught my eye:
"What makes offender detection and apprehension difficult sometimes is a transient lifestyle with no settled roots. Family and friends are few and far between, or estranged altogether. In these brutal cases miles apart, Nation&#8217;s navigation from Indiana to Colorado and witness accounts of his presence near the wilderness areas where Watkins was found are evidence of opportunity and proximity. His police contacts and local problems show he was near the town of Delphi both before and after the homicides of the two teens."<BBM>

Say what??
This was published 9/29/17, the day IN LE arrived in CO to interview DN. It was also after IN LE asked CO LE not to give details. So I can't figure out if this is a slip that let a cat out of the bag or if it's just a matter of perspective to LE, the author's primary audience. By 'police contact' I thought maybe they could be referring to the weekly RSO check-ins in Morgan County. But 90-100 miles distance isn't generally viewed as "near" a location. Unless LE considers that distance near enough to move back and forth to commit a crime (yes IMHO).

But if that statement can be taken at face value, does that mean LE now has evidence placing DN near Delphi before and after 2/13, but can't yet place him at the actual crime scene? I've run through so many scenarios my head spins. Nothing works. I had a bunch of stuff typed but I'm just going to toss it out there instead, and see what you all think.
Maybe I'm reading too far into it but I'm very puzzled by that bolded comment in the article.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/murder-suspect/

I took it to mean he was in the region for his check-ins. But if there's evidence about to turn up that he was even closer to Delphi, I'll be all ears.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Seems Fitting
https://youtu.be/cTwlRRKNlhg

Not available.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Friends, I don’t think this level of concern is necessary. Just because Tricia, the administrator, allowed a single interview with KN from non-MSM to be discussed doesn’t mean this place is a free for all for any and all rumors.

KN has been interviewed in mainstream sources so the admins allowing her “testimony” is sort of like allowing “verified insiders” to share local details.

I think we can absorb 1 non-MSM source and keep on spinning.

Let’s do all we can to stay the course for these Delphi girls and not get sidetracked from our good work by whether we agree on the admission of an interview or the definition of rumors it may contain.

Point is it has been allowed by Tricia the owner of this website. If members don't like the decision, take it up with Tricia, not out on other members. :cow:

 

[kat913]

I might've stumbled onto something. Could be big or a big nothing burger. (I hope the source is ok, if not I understand if this gets deleted. An article about DN written by a former LEO from Casper, WY P.D. Written for LET. "Law Enforcement Today is a leading law enforcement community by law enforcement officials, for law enforcement officials." )

This caught my eye:
"What makes offender detection and apprehension difficult sometimes is a transient lifestyle with no settled roots. Family and friends are few and far between, or estranged altogether. In these brutal cases miles apart, Nation&#8217;s navigation from Indiana to Colorado and witness accounts of his presence near the wilderness areas where Watkins was found are evidence of opportunity and proximity. His police contacts and local problems show he was near the town of Delphi both before and after the homicides of the two teens."<BBM>

Say what??
This was published 9/29/17, the day IN LE arrived in CO to interview DN. It was also after IN LE asked CO LE not to give details. So I can't figure out if this is a slip that let a cat out of the bag or if it's just a matter of perspective to LE, the author's primary audience. By 'police contact' I thought maybe they could be referring to the weekly RSO check-ins in Morgan County. But 90-100 miles distance isn't generally viewed as "near" a location. Unless LE considers that distance near enough to move back and forth to commit a crime (yes IMHO).

But if that statement can be taken at face value, does that mean LE now has evidence placing DN near Delphi before and after 2/13, but can't yet place him at the actual crime scene? I've run through so many scenarios my head spins. Nothing works. I had a bunch of stuff typed but I'm just going to toss it out there instead, and see what you all think.
Maybe I'm reading too far into it but I'm very puzzled by that bolded comment in the article.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/murder-suspect/

I appreciated that perspective, KizzyKat but at the same time it helped cement my speculation of how these two cases became "related". Expired Indiana tags; similar facial features and a non-compliant RSO. Of course Indiana would be interested. But what makes me believe differently is...the reason he took off for Colorado (which is unrelated to running away)...his increase in violence while in Colorado (according to his wife) and only known violence on his wife....nothing else reported by anyone other than "menacing with a hatchet". Sounds fairly disorganized to me...that is why I don't believe it is him.

But all of this is only my opinion. It would be wonderful if it really was DN but it doesn't look likely to me....still waiting for justice!

 

[Shiressleuth]

Not sure about your apparent jubilation. The post you replied to has been removed. Would you be so kind as to alert your post for the quote needs to be removed, too?

It wasn't removed. I decided to delete it before the one hour limit. I didn't know anyone had replied. It is up to foxbluff to decide about their own post but I appeciated their sentiment when I saw it.

 

[her]

Not available.

Umm still works.
Fleetwood Mac's Second Hand News song from their Rumors Album. [h=1][/h]

 

[Shiressleuth]

And rereading it, I realized I assumed the interview was in the past tense. Now I read it as you, that it’s scheduled. Cannot imagine this is possible with DN in jail, but suppose a collect call is possible.

We we just need answers! Cannot imagine how family and friends feel.

In the postcard you will see that DN asks for a collect call number so that's probable what it will be . Of course a lot of people probably won't want to hear the interview? right? Because it is Messrs Greeno and Stroup.

 

[Steleheart]

The admins and especially the owner of Websleuths put in a lot of time and energy to make these forums run smoothly in order to hopefully better the world.

If Tricia wants to admit a source as an exception, then she has earned the right to make that call in my mind. It's not like she's opening the door to copy and paste every rumor that's on the internet here. There are dozens if not hundreds I've seen elsewhere that have been barred from sharing here.

The mainstream media is interviewing KN as well (see links below), which indicates Tricia and Websleuths are not alone in believing DN could be a credible lead.

http://fox59.com/2017/10/11/wife-of...rs-says-daniel-nations-watched-news-coverage/
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...-doubts-he-was-involved-with-delphi-homicides
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/22/wife-of-man-accused-threatening-people-hatchet-speaks-out/
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...-nations-involved-delphi-homicides/788115001/
http://wishtv.com/2017/10/05/facebook-post-raises-new-questions-in-delphi-double-murders/
http://wgntv.com/2017/10/12/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-delphi-murders-speaks-out/
http://abc13.com/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-girls-murders-speaks-out/2526092/
http://fox59.com/2017/10/11/wife-of...rs-says-daniel-nations-watched-news-coverage/
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...-doubts-he-was-involved-with-delphi-homicides
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/22/wife-of-man-accused-threatening-people-hatchet-speaks-out/
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...-nations-involved-delphi-homicides/788115001/
http://wishtv.com/2017/10/05/facebook-post-raises-new-questions-in-delphi-double-murders/
http://wgntv.com/2017/10/12/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-delphi-murders-speaks-out/
http://abc13.com/wife-of-person-of-interest-in-girls-murders-speaks-out/2526092/

Just a quick scan and I have read many and it all seems like sharing the one interview with KN done by the Gazette?
http://gazette.com/menacing-suspect...ts-he-killed-monument-cyclist/article/1613703

So IMO it's not as if all those links are interviews. I could be wrong - there could be more actual interviews than I am aware of.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Umm still works.
Fleetwood Mac's Second Hand News song from their Rumors Album. [h=1][/h]

It's probably because I am not in US. But I have the original anyway.

 

[kat913]

I think DN sees an opportunity and is playing his cards with Greeno. IMO. This is by far the strangest case I can remember since BTK. I truly hope there are legitimate experts watching this all unfold.

I wonder if Greeno will use the opportunity to travel to Colorado. He has expressed how he likes to not be tied down. I can see him actually going for the "in-person" interview...which wouldn't be half-bad to see!

 

[Jabarn]

I appreciated that perspective, KizzyKat but at the same time it helped cement my speculation of how these two cases became "related". Expired Indiana tags; similar facial features and a non-compliant RSO. Of course Indiana would be interested. But what makes me believe differently is...the reason he took off for Colorado (which is unrelated to running away)...his increase in violence while in Colorado (according to his wife) and only known violence on his wife....nothing else reported by anyone other than "menacing with a hatchet". Sounds fairly disorganized to me...that is why I don't believe it is him.

But all of this is only my opinion. It would be wonderful if it really was DN but it doesn't look likely to me....still waiting for justice!

Hello there... I have gone back to find a media link, but can&#8217;t. Early on, when the DN aspect first broke, there was an article about one of the Abby and Libby investigators presenting the case at a police conference in CO. The connection may have come from that. Anyone else here know?

ETA: there was also some talk then that a sleuther here may have made the connection. Good job to that sleuther, if that is the case.

 

[kat913]

Hello there... I have gone back to find a media link, but can&#8217;t. Early on, when the DN aspect first broke, there was an article about one of the Abby and Libby investigators presenting the case at a police conference in CO. The connection may have come from that. Anyone else here know?

I also remember hearing that...which is why I was leaning in towards DN but have not been able to prove that so I just thought maybe CO LE put some aspects together and IN had good reason to come and investigate. But if there is a link out there about an LE conference, that would be great...but i couldn't find one.