IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #74

[madduck74]

This is also why I have trouble believing it was an unplanned, random rage killing. The timing was so tight in regards to when the girls were there and when they were to be picked up at such an "off the path" remote location that it seems nearly impossible for the crime to be committed and done so without leaving enough evidence to link anyone at this point. IMO, the idea that it was planned and there was knowledge when and maybe even for how long the girls planned to be there, fits more in line with the aforementioned facts.

ETA:
1. Bridge Guy: serial killer or no? No

2. Local (25 mi radius), semi local (50-75 mi) or non local? Local

3. what age range do you believe he is? 45-55

4. Homeless or not? No

5. Planned attack or spontaneous? Planned

6. Lone wolf or accomplice (s)? Undecided.



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1. SK

2. Semi local

3. 45-55 years

4. Not homeless

5. Planned attack (I feel like if someone wanted to trap and kill someone, the bridge/area is too ideal or a setting to be a coincidence).

6. Undecided






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[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

On 10/21/2017 Boggled in Ohio posted a Survey at Thread #72 - Pg. #56 - Post #828. Ten posters participated (their answers are on Pages 56-59) before somebody posted an interesting new link which diverted us from the Survey.

I've copied/pasted subject Post #828 below in case anybody else would like to take the survey:

I never have words left to say about this case on this forum. I read daily from February, posted daily for months but have been silent here on WS for a long spell now. I've been doing my own digging. I just want to ask how many people now believe we are dealing with a serial killer? I've felt that way since the get go and still do. Just looking for a general consensus now.

1. Bridge Guy: serial killer or no?
2. Local (25 mi radius), semi local (50-75 mi) or non local?
3. what age range do you believe he is?
4. Homeless or not?
5. Planned attack or spontaneous?
6. Lone wolf or accomplice (s)?

My thoughts on BG are morphing daily. Right now I’m at:

1. Yes
2. If he isn’t local or semi-local, he has or had ties to the Delphi area.
3. 30-55
4. Not homeless
5. Planned, but not necessarily targeting Abby and Libby specifically.
6. Not sure

 

[drama_farmer]

I think this could be a very similar explanation for DN.

Can anyone recall or clarify how DN first came to be known in the media? I understand the authorities in CO reached out to Delphi investigators as they felt he could be connected but at what point did media get the information?

I'm asking as I often wonder if the reason RL and DN are they only two known names is that they were somehow the only ones leaked to the media, not necessarily because LE feels either are more involved than any of the 100 others. JMO.

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bbm

I remember hearing (online) about a mugshot that was being withheld from the media, and that mugshot ended up being DN. I can't remember if the original reporting was that ISP made the request of CO LE or not.

(obviously, all my opinion and likely faulty memory, to boot!)

 

[minazoe]

highly unlikley that his is not a serial killer...if not a sk? then what kind of killing is this? curious...MOO

 

[Momma2cam]

Hi M2C,

IIRC, someone in CO saw DN in MSM coverage and thought he resembled the sketch of BG. CO LE was tipped and they contacted IN LE.

DN was already in MSM coverage in CO because of the hatchet incident and the TW case. The coverage about DN went national after the tip about the possible resemblance to the sketch. RL was already in the media because he was the landowner. I’m not sure either name would have been leaked to the media if they hadn’t already been in MSM and have no clue how much serious consideration LE gave either one of them. JMO.

Thank you. So Delphi investigators have not officially initiated naming anyone.

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[Sleuthin' n TX]

Or for Kook, after the one that started the K krap.

Why not just say that this is rumor?

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Thank you. So Delphi investigators have not officially initiated naming anyone.

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Not to my knowledge. I don’t recall the exact chain of events in the RL circus, but I know his name and interviews were in MSM prior to the search warrants.
HTH.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

highly unlikley that his is not a serial killer...if not a sk? then what kind of killing is this? curious...MOO

JMO...
First thing that comes to mind is a rage killing.
Not saying it is or isn’t, just suggesting an alternative to a SK.

 

[TeaTime]

Still not DN?

 

[Deleted member 189081]

JMO...
First thing that comes to mind is a rage killing.
Not saying it is or isn’t, just suggesting an alternative to a SK.

That is the feeling I get. IMHO

 

[kstephens98]

1. Bridge Guy: serial killer or no? Not enough facts known about the crime to even make a speculation. Factoring in my emotions or "gut instincts" seems like a bad idea in trying to determine if someone is a murderer or not.
2. Local (25 mi radius), semi-local (50-75 mi) or non-local? See answer to question 1.
3. what age range do you believe he is? 15 - 90
4. Homeless or not? See answer to question 1.
5. Planned attack or spontaneous? See answer to question 1.
6. Lone wolf or accomplice (s) See answer to question 1.



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[Love Never Fails]

On 10/21/2017 Boggled in Ohio posted a Survey at Thread #72 - Pg. #56 - Post #828. Ten posters participated (their answers are on Pages 56-59) before somebody posted an interesting new link which diverted us from the Survey.

I've copied/pasted subject Post #828 below in case anybody else would like to take the survey:

I never have words left to say about this case on this forum. I read daily from February, posted daily for months but have been silent here on WS for a long spell now. I've been doing my own digging. I just want to ask how many people now believe we are dealing with a serial killer? I've felt that way since the get go and still do. Just looking for a general consensus now.

1. Bridge Guy: serial killer or no?
2. Local (25 mi radius), semi local (50-75 mi) or non local?
3. what age range do you believe he is?
4. Homeless or not?
5. Planned attack or spontaneous?
6. Lone wolf or accomplice (s)?

1. SK
2. Non local
3. Not sure
4. Still question this
5. Planned
6. Lone wolf

 

[Deleted member 189081]

3. what age range do you believe he is? 15 - 90

I am so sorry for this in such sad circumstances but this really did make me :laughcry: sorry it just did

KR
Reacher

 

[minazoe]

i cant make rage killer work in my mind and here's why.

2 victims, this requires a period of time to accomplish, rage feels too fast for two victims in an open space, which would require some degree of control that I feel would be lacking in a rage mode. or for instance he's in a huge open space with no one around and somehow there is a rage and there he is with two young girls and he has his hatchet...so this feels less like rage, although I could see maybe feigned rage with intent.

So he is a rage killer, then how did he become enraged?

theories like, he was exposing himself and became enraged..ok. but hen you add the victims, their ages, the place this happened, that he had a weapon, gun? hatchet? garrot? we dont really know...but you add these details and it doesn't play here for me either.

but lets say this is a rage killer, well a rage killer more often becomes a serial killer when not caught...and will continue to have rages and kill.

Ted Bundy bludgeoned his victims heads in. You could say this was rage..sure, but rage at what? does it even matter?

so the question is if he killed in a rage with no forethought , and I say not possible . MOO

 

[Momma2cam]

highly unlikley that his is not a serial killer...if not a sk? then what kind of killing is this? curious...MOO

I think it was intentional and planned. I have speculation about a couple different motives, which IMO, do not suggest a serial killer.

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[minazoe]

would love to hear your possible motives.

it's obviously not a robbery
so you think they saw something.

so then Daniel just happened to have a weapon to murder them with and murdered them with it because he didn't want to be caught.

caught commiting a sexual assault against two minors with his pant's down? or caught with drugs by children who probably dont even know what a meth lab is..?

what could the motive be?

MOO

 

[margarita25]

would love to hear your possible motives.

it's obviously not a robbery
so you think they saw something.

so then Daniel just happened to have a weapon to murder them with and murdered them with it because he didn't want to be caught.

caught commiting a sexual assault against two minors with his pant's down? or caught with drugs by children who probably dont even know what a meth lab is..?

what could the motive be?

MOO

I suspect the motive is SA, but FTR one thing I'm learning is that sometimes people just kill due to their own instabilities, and that there is no other motive than simply the desire to kill, moo.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

i cant make rage killer work in my mind and here's why.

2 victims, this requires a period of time to accomplish, rage feels too fast for two victims in an open space, which would require some degree of control that I feel would be lacking in a rage mode. or for instance he's in a huge open space with no one around and somehow there is a rage and there he is with two young girls and he has his hatchet...so this feels less like rage, although I could see maybe feigned rage with intent.

So he is a rage killer, then how did he become enraged?

theories like, he was exposing himself and became enraged..ok. but hen you add the victims, their ages, the place this happened, that he had a weapon, gun? hatchet? garrot? we dont really know...but you add these details and it doesn't play here for me either.

but lets say this is a rage killer, well a rage killer more often becomes a serial killer when not caught...and will continue to have rages and kill.

Ted Bundy bludgeoned his victims heads in. You could say this was rage..sure, but rage at what? does it even matter?

so the question is if he killed in a rage with no forethought , and I say not possible . MOO

Good thoughts, Minazoe.
Another possibility is vendetta/revenge. I know this was brought up in the spring threads, but I don’t have enough information to connect the dots.

 

[gregjrichards]

I suspect the motive is SA, but FTR one thing I'm learning is that sometimes people just kill due to their own instabilities, and that there is no other motive than simply the desire to kill, moo.

Sorry to talk about this again but could this be the twist mentioned at the law enforcement press conference - a rage killing but with no sexual component/motive? It would certainly make this case unusual if that is what happened. I wonder how law enforcement is doing now this must be taking its toll on them. I’m still haunted by how shell shocked they were at the press conference in February.

 

[mtnlites]

1. Bridge Guy: serial killer or no? Not a SK.
2. Local (25 mi radius), semi local (50-75 mi) or non local? Local. (Or used to live there and still has family there.)
3. what age range do you believe he is? 35-60
4. Homeless or not? Not in the traditional sense (ie. sleeping on the streets) Could be living with family.
5. Planned attack or spontaneous? Attack was planned. Victims might have been at random.
6. Lone wolf or accomplice (s)? Committed murders alone. Someone else may have helped with getaway or eliminating evidence.